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warjournal
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posted posted 06-12-2001 04:53

I'm looking for tuts that show how to do the following:



Well, the bottom half. The top half is to show how "inferior" Zoom can be. I know there is at least one out there, called Rays of Light I believe, but I've since lost the URL.

Any and all URLs showing this technique much appreciated.

kretsminky
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posted posted 06-12-2001 04:57

You don't even want to know what I read that first line as....

I've seen that tut too. I'll look around....

kretsminky
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posted posted 06-12-2001 04:58

Who's the man?

I'm the man.
http://user.fundy.net/morris/redirect.html?photoshop6.shtml

warjournal
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posted posted 06-12-2001 05:20

Yep, krets, that's the original. I got off my lazy ass and did some Googling of my own. Here's the next version:
http://user.fundy.net/morris/redirect.html?photoshop16.shtml

Every link that came up on Google just pointed to either/both of those. I'm really interested in the tuts that involve Polar Coords. There's got to me more out there.

linear
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posted posted 06-12-2001 05:30

I like these:
http://www.poidesign.com/tutorials/rays/
http://www.poidesign.com/tutorials/explosion/

There's a mistake in the explosion one, but it adds to the fun. I like this guy's wacky style:

"I used Photoshop 6.0 to create this explosion effect. But I am sure you can do it with Photoshop 4.0 and higher versions."

He has such confidence in me. I love that.

Edit: fixed formatting a wee bit.

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Wangenstein
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posted posted 06-12-2001 06:53

Okay, I've got a bit of a puzzle which I'm sure it will take you folks half a second to figure out, but it's really annoying me. I try and use the Wind filter to make the nifty flare effects behind text and such (or icicles, or whatever), but my Wind filter is kinda weird. It's an 'innie' instead of an 'outie'.

Take a look at this link. It'll show you what I mean.

http://members.home.net/wangenstein/wind.jpg

What's up with that?

BTW, I used the Polar Coordinates to show what my flare looks like, that's why it isn't horizontal...




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docilebob
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posted posted 06-12-2001 07:18

Heyya Wang, I think the step you missed was step 8. The second invert and wind filter. ( on black bg ) That`s assuming , of course you were following Poi`s explosion tut, as linked by linear.

If not, nevermind, instead go follow Poi`s explosion tut.



If they had just killed Gilligan, they`d have been off the island in a week.

warjournal
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posted posted 06-12-2001 07:18

Here's one I've linked to in the past. Can't believe I forgot all about it.
http://www.iserv.net/~rtideas/photoshop_t13/index.html


Wangenstein, the problem is with the direction of the Wind. Try it the other way. Also, if you are trying to get the black to blow out, Invert, Wind x2, Invert.
Page 1a and Page 2 should give you enough information (those two pages are old and unedited). If not, we'll try this again.

This is what I'm working on for GN. Almost done.

I'm still looking. Keep 'em coming.

linear
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posted posted 06-12-2001 07:43

Yup, that's the bug in poi's tut.

Wangenstein
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posted posted 06-12-2001 07:57

That's it exactly, WarJournal. I didn't realize that it cuts in on black text and blows out on white. Why is that? Oh, well...

Thanks for your help. This has been driving me crazy for awhile!

3rdperson
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posted posted 06-12-2001 08:06

threep is excited:
"ooooohhh! wj - i was playing with this just last week... never looked for any tutorials though... let's see if i can find what i was playing with..."
with a slight grumble, threep curses his inability to save his playaround files, and makes a poor replica of his initial effect:
"if you go here, you'll see what i was doing - basically, only applying the wind filter to certain areas of the image.... im just really freaked that it came up here shortly after i was tinkering!"

3rdperson
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posted posted 06-12-2001 08:07

reading wang's post, threep comments:
"that's the style of the wind filter. it adds the more 'natural' look, by displacing different pixels to different levels. otherwise, it would be a fairly ordinary displace filter."

Wangenstein
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posted posted 06-12-2001 17:56

Thing is, I would've expected that 'in/out' effect to be controlled by an option button or checkbox when you go to apply it. Kinda like the 'monochromatic' option in 'Add Noise'.

So this kinda surprised me. Now I'm gonna start playing with it in earnest. Thanks again, WarJournal!

warjournal
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posted posted 06-12-2001 18:47

NP, Wang, but DB did beat me to the Invert by a few seconds. So, if I ever get a cookie for this one, I'll split it with you, DB.

Threep, that is so cool. For no tuts, you did a damn fine job of putting the pieces together. Damn fine. Kudos to you. One of my favorite things with this is to blow-out people eyes and shooting laser beams. Or something like Lo Pan in "Big Trouble in Little China".

My BoL Action -- cookie for those interested. Do the prep-work, customize the Action, run the Action, finish it up.


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docilebob
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posted posted 06-13-2001 05:03

I like cookies. But in all fairness, you wrote a tut, I just read the one linear posted.

I still want my cookie parts.

3rdperson
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posted posted 06-13-2001 05:20

so chuffed that he almost forgets to write in his own annoying register, threep says:
"wj - thanks muchly for that. i have to say i love to play.fiddle.learn.... and polar co-ords just rock for doing that... i messed with this PS sample image sooo much... tried the directional blurs, offsetting, and wind... sure, it's a kinda 2nd rate result, but gee its fun to play with... how can i get spiral in this... etc etc - hey, have you tried doing spiral stuff? one bit has me kinda confused - ok, i do polar displace, rotate 30 degrees clockwise, apply wind for a set area, rotate 30 degrees back, and do polar co-ords (rect to polar, this time, naturally), and it goes kinda funky... im thinking it may be the little bits that get distorted on a 30 degree rotation... yeah, i think that's it, ive kinda got it now..."
realising that no-one really wants to hear him ramble, threep updates his experiment page and keeps the rest of his mumbling to himself.

warjournal
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posted posted 06-13-2001 07:47

Threep, not exactly sure what you are talking about with your funkiness, but Page 1b might offer some answers (again, old and unedited).

Once I get this little project done (hopefully submitted by weekend), I'm thinking about writing up a quick tips called Using Polar Coordinates for Radial Effects. I once showed Kruzr how to do something really cool with Polar Coords. He still owes me a six-pack of beer for that.

I'll see if I can whip-up some examples a little later.

3rdperson
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posted posted 06-13-2001 08:22

once again updating his hands experiment page, threep says:
"that pixel overflow stuff you pointed out was the problem. thanks for that tut WJ, i've been there before, but forgot that problem."

warjournal
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posted posted 06-13-2001 19:58

Sometimes I can figure out the problem, but not always the solution.
http://www.gurusnetwork.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=000087


Back to the salt mine.

Wangenstein
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posted posted 06-13-2001 20:36

Okay, okay... here are your cookies!

~Pulls out and distributes a bag of Oreos (the special kind with the Black Pill center!) that he snuck into the Asylum by... well, best not to think about that...~

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Steve
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posted posted 06-13-2001 21:06

3P - I was so excited to read how you were off setting the file before filtering, then returning it post-filter. Brought to mind some extraordinary techniques Kai wrote about way long ago. He called it Domain Shifting: http://shiva.snu.ac.kr/KPT/Tips/KPT22/KPT22.html

In a nut shell, many filters work from a fixed reference point in your image. If you move that reference point prior to filtering, then return it afterwards some verrry kooky things are possible.

Kai's tips are pretty gnarly by now in terms of formatting, but that boy was way ahead of the curve in so many ways. Or I'm way behind which is more likely. It's also fascinating to see that for all the advances in Photoshop since when he wrote, so many of the underlying fundamentals are still just as they were.

Soak this one up, and let's see what comes out!

BTW - ages ago I tried the complex water/waves thing he describes. Exquisite wave form complexity. http://people.ne.mediaone.net/s-nelson/steve/html/illustr05.html


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3rdperson
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posted posted 06-14-2001 00:44

once again so immersed in the subject he almost forgets his pathetic little gimmick, threep comments:
"wj - this has been a fun experience. one funky thing i discovered, when i was trying to get the image so that the centre for the polar co-ords filter hit the right area of the hands was a neat little trick of opening a new layer, crtl + a, edit > stroke > inside 1 px, then run good old polar co-ords and BAM! it points to dead centre. gotta love it."
now reading steve's post and link, threep says: "thanks for the link steve - i went up a few directories, and i think ill be reading a few more of his tips. this offset stuff is pretty nifty from time to time... and it looks like I applied (at least) two of his little tricks on this image without even knowing it! that's a pretty image you've got there! thanks for sharing."

Steve
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posted posted 06-14-2001 03:12

Do read them all. Do. You'll be easily able to weed out the stuff that's outdated. These tips started it all for me. Amazing how useful many of them still are. Keep the flame burning!

warjournal
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posted posted 06-14-2001 03:57

At first I was a bit shocked that there are people out there that haven't read Kai's tips. But I'm over it now.

Dated, yet thought provoking. He laid down a good foundation for a lot of tinkering.

Maybe I'll give Snowy Mask another try. I failed miserably at it 2(?) short years ago. Maybe time for another go.

Okay, I played around a bit with some radial Polar Coords. So many things just don't work because there is no wrap around. End up with a line from center to the top of the graphic. Yuck.

Mosaic
Sheer
Water Paper


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kretsminky
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posted posted 06-14-2001 03:59

Nice URLs butthole.

warjournal
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posted posted 06-14-2001 04:34

???

I uploaded, linked, checked the links and realized I uploaded to the wrong server (I always check links and what-not after posting, as I'm sure most of you guys/gals do). Log back on, upload to proper server. Judging by the times in the posts, you poked your head in while I was fixing my boo boo.

linear
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posted posted 06-14-2001 16:05

damn, wj, I was working on a polar > mosiac > polar stunt, but you beat me to the punch. Nice, though.

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