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Well, after reading DL-44's tut on making shapes, I realized that the reason I have never really been god with that, is because I never had a rough sketch of what I wanted. I always tried to jump right into making it in P Shop. Twas my downfall. The thing is, I know that having that rough draft helps alot, but I've never been the sketch art talented kind of guy. I never really had any talent in drawing. Does anyone have maybe a tut on basic shape designing, face design, stuff like that for beginners? Any help would be appreciated, and thanks in advance for any and all help.

Your question... while seemlingly specific... is infact quite vague.
Basic shape design?.... that's really not all that focused for us to provide help here. Everything is made from ovals and rectangles.
I'm not sure what you mean by "face design" either.... Do you mean painting a face?.... or making some sort of abstraction?

OR... are you talking about making interfaces for websites?
I'll assume the latter and point you here. (the main site being here.)

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Hey, sorry for being so vague. Um, what I'm looking to do, is learn to skech out some drafts for things that I will be making. I'm no good at skeching, or drawing for that matter. I'm looking for something to show me how to make proportianal sketches...um...just sketching in general I guess. Everything I draw just looks too wierd. Sorry I am really not too good t explaing crap.

You don't really need to sketch anything. The point was that you have to be able to visualize what you want and sketching it out helps with that.

Yo man screw the sketches



I made it in PS from scratch without any sketches and it was my most likely one of the first tries with pen tool! just screw around with pen tool man

Ugh, that's something I have been meaning to get accustomed with. I'm very new to any photoshop. Can someone point in me in the direction of a good tut for the pen tool? Srry guys, if I'm saying stupid shit, yell at me...I feel terrible, my allergies are killing my and the pressure in my eyes make me want to stick a gun in my moouth and call it quiotes...ugh

Ruski: Making one design that you pulled from your arse doesn't mean that you understand the process of visualizing and executing design.

Someone might take your post as coming from a serious designer instead of someone just opening the bones of graphic art and design. Pre-process is more than half the fight of design, so telling someone "screw the sketches" is about as smart as saying "Fuck the shape, let's just blow the charge and hope it works the way we think it might."

And now after DG has cleared the water with his literary depth charges.

As anyone who is just beginning with art you will find yourself having trouble with even the basics. I personally find a pencil and a blank sheet of paper to be the best way to come up with design ideas. I went out and bought all the designers I work with an artist sketch book and some colored pencils. I then requested that before they take their designs to the computer they sketch them out. The bitching and moaning I hear was intense, but after they understood that it was serious they started doing their sketches. It was easy to see how their designs improved as well a decrease in time realizing the design in photoshop and then to XHTML.

Next, every time I talk to someone who wants to do their 'first' webpage, I tell them to sketch out their design. They always say "I can't draw." There are a couple of issues here that makes me question their intelligence, (1) I didn't ask them to draw, I asked the to sketch, which is completely different than drawing. A sketch is by definition "A hasty or undetailed drawing or painting often made as a preliminary study" which anyone can do. You are not looking for art here you are looking for a base. At the same time (2), anyone can draw if they have a pencil and paper. If you are telling me that you have trouble making a line on a piece of paper, you are going to have trouble doing web design, I have seen people using their teath to draw, their toes, and in videos some other unmentionable parts, so unless you are comotose, if you have the desire to make a webpage you have the ability to draw.

You are just looking to sketch out the meat of the drawing nothing more. Big archs, rectangles, squares, triangles. Just play. Give it an hour and you will have something. If you can't or won't do this then you really might want to reevaluate your ambitions.

If you still are having trouble with your drawings since you don't have a steady arm, or you think a sketch shouldn't look like shit (that pile might be all you need to visualize your idea), you should try the local art store for stenciles. They have arches, circles, squares, rectangles, triangles, ect. Which are nice aids in the design process. They might be what you need. I wouldn't shell out the $20 for a bunch of stenciles since my circles which look like craterous asteroids are fine for the sketching purpose (as photoshop has a nice marquee tool that makes perfect circles for you). Once the idea is on paper you can then move to the computer and go wild.


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I made it in PS from scratch without any sketches...

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Yep.

And it shows.

Fuck the sketches? That's exactly the level of intelligence we have come to expect from you Ruski.

This may help

EDIT; Thinkin' about it, this may be better for what you want. Feng's explanations are quite handy. At least they were for me.

Cordure is the Absence of Insanity

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I am the voice of reason and concern. There is no reason to attack one another because of the usage of sketches. I use sketches. Poor sketches. Sketches so bad that I am the only person on the planet that understands them. They couldn't possibly be scanned so that I could clean them up in PS. When the final design is finished, however, I still have that sketch sitting next to my hand.

It's the base from which you leap--the keystone. If you don't have a sketch (even a poor one) you have no basis by which you make your work look beautiful. You just randomly add lines here and there and hope that it all looks spifftiterated? in the end. Sometimes it comes out at least marginal, but most times it looks unfocused.

We all aim for focus. We all focus for aim. We all make triptych paragraphs--like this one.

Did you sketch out that paragraph? It moved me.

Jason

edit: see kids, freestylin it might lead to improper punctuation, improper punctuation could lead to an unreadable thought. <-- proof read ~click~

[This message has been edited by JKMabry (edited 03-12-2003).]

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Can someone point in me in the direction of a good tut for the pen tool?

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There is a good on here http://www.psmeg.co.uk/pages/tutorials/pen_primer_1.htm

...and i f i remember rightly there is a good one over at the The Gurus Network I'm having trouble accessing the site at the moment so i cant get the link for you.

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I'm no good at skeching, or drawing for that matter. I'm looking for something to show me how to make proportianal sketches...um...just sketching in general I guess. Everything I draw just looks too wierd.

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That doesn't matter, as long as you have a picture in your mind of what you are drawing you should be fine, just experiment. Silence has already touched on this subject, and what he gave was good advice. I'm not saying a sketch won't help you because in my experience it will, but it's not essential.

Just because your drawings look wierd doesn't mean that they are not going to help you. As i've said before, experiment and see what you come up with. Post it up in this forum and people will try to help you with what you want to do.

Anyway, follow the links i supplied and you'll be on your way.

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[This message has been edited by Nolp (edited 03-12-2003).]

Thanks alot guys. I sketched out some stuff, that I am going to try and attempt today, I'm home from school again, ugh. The tut on making shapes by DL-44 opened my eyes to how important sketches can be. I realized, that when I got sidetracked making that shape, I could always look at what the sketch looked like and figure out what I may have done wrong. Well, maybe ill post up wht I can make later on, just be warned, it's not award winning stuff or anything

Its not suposed to be, post it up here.


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Cool, I'm working on it right now

I'm looking forward to seeing what you've come up with later

If you can, post up the sketch and what you've done with it in Photoshop.



[This message has been edited by Nolp (edited 03-12-2003).]

Well, it's done...I'm just having lots of trouble trying to find a place to host it with remote linking. The place I host my sig is being gay, and won't let me do it anymore.

how much space do you need?

Ugh..I can't fucking beilieve this shit! My comp froze...and I lost it all....excuse me while I hang myself in the attic.

Dont you make back ups? =

You still have the sketch :shrug: