Preserved Topic: Disappointed... (Page 1 of 1)

I realize that most people are not interested in spiritual exploration and other 'new age' kind of philosophies and theologies, but it seemed like there were a few interested people who had a good discussion going.

My only regret is that my DSL is out, so I didn't have a chance to stop by over the weekend and calm everyone down.

You guys are all good in my book, but I think if you look at the thread objectively, you will see that Doc C did not instigate (at least in the last case). Doc C is obviously not as level-headed as some, and his grammar does leave something to be desired, but he wasn't just trolling.

I think there should be a higher standard for locking a thread. If it degenerates into something with no redeeming value then it should be locked, not because of a side comment that an admin finds distasteful.

-jiblet

jib if you want to start up another thread to keep discussing your spiritu****y topic please feel free. The last thread was closed because it was approaching 50 messages (which is around where I personally start looking to close them) and it had deteriorated into a silly thing.

So please, go ahead and start up a new one to continue your discussion. Hopefully this one will stay on track.

Yet another victim of the censoring of the word "r e a l i t y".

i too was rather disappointed in those threads. i came just trying to get a better understanding of the subject and to get a feel for people in the asylum. i must say you've not all made a great impression. but i tried to keep that attitude out of my posts and hoped that by not joining in the banter and degredation others might take a hint. i would also like to continue with discussions such as these but i'm not sure that i'll be starting them as i don't like the over all results. jiblet you've been most interesting as has DC. your inputs and views were materials for me to ponder over and over and that is what i was looking for. thank you.

~Sir_KiTree~Scan~
--:ill communications network:--

~Sir_KiTree~,

One thing to remember here, you can't control the direction a post will take. Don't worry about it, it's ok. Just keep your responses on topic and you'll get the info you're looking for eventually. It's how we do it here... it is what as known as the free exchange of ideas.

Jiblet - while I can certainly appreciate your sentiments, I think you need to revisit the thread. I also think you need to dig through of the other recent threads in which doc cyber has tossed around insults and accusations..to see the pattern that has been forming.

The thread was not closed because of a 'couple of comments the mods didn't like'. It was closed because it had lost it's direction and broken down into sheer nonsense.

As I have stated, both here and in response to the multiple emails sent to me by doc cyber, as a moderator it *is* my job to stick my nose into areas where shit like that is happening. The constant references to ideas 'being lost on the locals' and the 'locals running things into the ground' and the 'mods patrolling my posts' and the like, coupled with a slew of personal insults and intentional attempts to pick a fight (and then try to pass the blame onto the other guy for responding...) are things that I will not simply let pass.

And, once again, let me clarify that 'sticking my nose in' means exactly that - coming into a thread and posting my thoughts on the underlying issue. After a point where the thread is obviously not going anywhere, yes....I will close it. Trust me when I say that nobody deleted anyone's posts on them. That particular accusation is the result of one of 3 things: forum glitches, botched attempts to post a topic (perhaps the 'en-hancers' get in the way from time to time?) or an outright load of bullshit in yet another attempt to start a fight.
I'll leave that to you to decide.

Any-hoo.....please, continue with this, I'll be more than happy to discuss it in greater detail.



?Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative? -- Oscar Wilde

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The thread was not closed because of a 'couple of comments the mods didn't like'. It was closed because it had lost it's direction and broken down into sheer nonsense.

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hmm aside from the insults to DocCyber, the last posts were by bugimus, Fig, mbridge, SirKit who were sharing viewpoints on the topic.. imho, the reason this thread began is because not eveyone agrees with the reasons that were stated as the reasons for closing the thread.. i say this without rancor but merely sharing my view on what transpired...

thoughts on the nature of the universe and our part in it have been around for a long time and are unlikely to disappear soon... and this is the Philosophy and other Silliness forum

mmmkay...let me reiterate this:

your thoughts (or anyone else's) on the universe had nothing to do with anything.

let me also reiterate, that many of the posts pointed towards doc cyber were partially inspired by previous posts by doc cyber which have been building up....if you're not familiar with the other psots, obviously you're not getting the full story.

feel free to post all you want about whatever topic you want....but when it becomes clearly antagonisitic and full of shit, you're damn right I'm gonna say something. and if it continues to a point where the thread is lost in it, I'll close it. Plain and simple.

why? maybe I'm just an asshole.....but I take it personally. I've been here a long time, and I've been appointed as a moderator, and I love being here. False accusations and needless insults don't sit well with me.



?Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative? -- Oscar Wilde

Not to mention that fact that the thread had become littered with worthless BS which needed to be sorted through to gain anything useful about the topic.

Start another thread, please. Just provide a link to the old one in your first message. Maybe rehash some of the valid arguments or points from the other thread. We do this all the time you know, to save people from scrolling and to close bandwidth-heavy threads.

Just start a new one, lets not make a big deal about this shall we?

I don't really take it too seriously.

Maybe it's because i just glean over the personal attacks, but I just thought that in the particular thread "Astral Projection ][" there was still many people writing valid commentary. I was not referring to all the closed threads.

You are right thought, might as well just start a new thread...

-jiblet

Okay, this is just a thought...just a *really wild idea* for a solution.

1. I'm not exactly a fan of 'moderating', but how about moderators ASKING or WARNING? I mean, something like: "Hey guys, let's cut this out, or I'm closing it down, ok?" would be an appropriate thing to say. The Forum Dwellers themselves then decide what to do. Democracy.

2. Get a better forum. Who came up with the idea to use forum code that doesn't even:
+ have multiple pages for each thread;
+ show WHO posted the last reply to a thread, and WHEN. The name of the threadstarter has no value to anyone;
+ have a good-looking colour scheme that won't hurt my eyes and is highly readable?

So what you're saying is..... Doc...lets change how you have this place set up?

I could be wrong.....but I don't think that will fly


~If you want what the winners have......do what the winners do~

I think if you look back at any thread that's been closed you will see...it was nothing more than a bitch fest to say the least.

The reason someone closed the last DocCyber thread and many others was....he post on topic then wanders off into jumping someone....into personal attacks...of others here and the Asylum itself...calling it a trailer park etc...so it was closed. To continue this same conversation even though the same topic is now reopened and doing just fine is pointless.

Doc decides who he wants as a MS..... he picks the colors around here and who gets a cell all by themself and who has to share

It's his toy....his space......

~Second place is the first looser~





[This message has been edited by Shiiizzzam (edited 07-11-2001).]

*finger poised over the 'close thread' link*

And thats your last warning about that mistah!

*slips and ends up at Gurus*

Weadz (hey cool, a new tute on curves....)

that reminds me...

I've been meaning to say...
"what a great colour scheme Doc has going here... I LOVE IT!"


bright stuff hurts the eyes... I prefer the room I'm in to be dark.
The colors here are perfect.

*stops being a lame kiss ass*

btw Dhromed... the moderators ARE forum dwellers as well.
Personally... I can't stand having multiple pages for a thread... things always seem to get caught up inbetween the pages and it makes it hard to find the last post that you actually read from the topic.

As far ast who posted last... and when....
sure... it'd be nice to know... but I don't really care at the same time.
If it's an interesting topic.... I'll click and read it.
If there are new posts to the interesting topic.... I'll click and read it.
who or when... really makes no difference when it comes to replies to an intriguing topic for me.

The name of the thread starter does hold some value as well.
This differs from not caring who the last poster was...
Because people who start topics are key as to where the topic of the thread is going.
For instance...
If the topic is....
"Hey... I need a new site critique"
..and you happen to know this person on ICQ or something... you may have already given them your opinions.
It may not mean too much to the people that are very new to the board... but for some that have been here a while.... there are a lot of people on this board that they speak with on a daily basis.

Here's another example...
the topic of the thread is...
"Disappointed..."
I wouldn't have even opened this thread had I not been ICQ'd about it.
Not to say that I don't read topics that jiblet posts... but frankly... sometimes, I'm not in the mood to hear people's bitchings on the forums.... HOWEVER.... if one of the many people I speak with had started the topic... I surely would have read it immidiately.

As far as the colour and readablity of this site goes...
I wasn't kidding before... I do love it.

SO I guess I'm happy because Doc has scripted a board that I like... in almost every aspect.
But no... Doc can't script the people... and no Doc can't script the threads that get posted... or the comments back to them.
AND no... Doc can't please all of us.

He's entrusted a few as MS's... they aren't the same as Doc... every person brings soemthing different to the table... that's the miricle of this place.
We don't want flaming here that gets personal... but it's going to happen reguardless.

Some of us are civilized here... so treat the scenarios as such.
Moderators have a reason for closing posts... if you disagree with it... thy don't you e-mail them about it.
By starting a new post.... it might as well be considered a public attack.
If you think everyone should know about it... and you still think things are being treated in an unfair manner... sure... bring it up to the rest of us.... but you better come out with some tact.
This isn't a post directed anyone... this for anyone to take something from.

We may get extremely comfortable around here... but ultimately... this IS Doc's place...
I'm pretty sure he's a big fan of respect... and he'd like to see the same sort of respect between the people here.
Don't do it just to please *him* though.... do it because you want to.
I can list off a long list of people on this board I do not like, or agree with. I don't go out and flame them on their posts on a consistant basis.... it solves nothing. If I keep my mouth shut... things can be more progressive.... so I do.


that's all for now.

-Michael

fwiw.. I think that just about killed the forum over at GN.. that who posted last thing on the main page as well as the multiple page post thingy.. thats a personal opinion of course.. based merely on the fact that I see the main forum page and often wont bother to go into any of the forums to check if there are any new threads, cos the main page tells me.. not an advancement..

drohmed: are you cwazy? how could you say something like that? if thats how you feel mebbe you should find a forum with *all the bells and whistles* and forget the content.. cos this forum might not have the flash but it sure has the content! know what I mean? .. ok.. I still lurve y'all .. it must be nealry mid summer eve! the inmates are restless

0.25 sense

[This message has been edited by Soc-X (edited 07-11-2001).]

Paged threads
Good: discussions can be as long/short as the posters like. Any thread will eventually phase out by itself, no closing required.
Bad: You may have a slight amount of trouble locating your last post.

Single page thread
Good: it's very simple. Hit 'End' to read the last post instantly.
Bad: long threads are practically impossible. Threads become slower to load as they become longer to read.

And, with paged threads, if you provide a link in the thread list directly to the last page of a thread, then all Bads are solved. Joy!

And about moderators...you don't really need any 'enforcers'. If a thread heads off into stupidity, people will simply stop posting, and/or take the valuable conversation to a new thread. All that might be needed (and I'm not even sure about that) is a Cleanup Crew to delete old, senseless threads, and free up valuable server space.

Smacking Dhromed around
Good: Might knock some sense into him
Bad: Might break a nail

we are not 'enforcers'

this is our home. we look after it.



don't like it here? nobody is forced to stay.



krets - don't worry, taxon said he'd give you a manicure later anyway.....




?Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative? -- Oscar Wilde

Dhromed.... you might wanna poke that purple matter back in your head and think a little You've posted aprox. 26 times and you want to make changes to someones setup that's been here for ummmm a long long time and worked just fine. I am thinking...and I could be wrong.... but it ain't gonna happen Lets just slow down wittle pilgrim and let those Black Pills build up in that body of yours and see how you feel in a few weeks

~ Did you ever stop to think that your way of thinking is a lot like pissing down your leg? It seems hot to you, but it never does to anyone else. ~




[This message has been edited by Shiiizzzam (edited 07-12-2001).]

hehe, great quote shiii, as always...

As for dictating the functionality of the forum...until you start laying down cash to help doc provide such a helpful service(a helpful service in which he asks nothing in return I might add)...or until are appointed a "moderator" (or as you would say "enforcer"), give your opinion and let the people in charge decide, really...

I am not saying that you cannot have your own opinion and voice it, just don't try to dictate what happens around here...Doc, as well as the moderators are all level headed people. If there is a problem they will take care of it how they see necessary, that is their duty...

I hate multi page threds!!!! cause every bastard reads the topic then skips to the end page and blurts out what they want to say without reading any of the previous information. This has even become the norm of several other UBB's I visit, and they've almost died out now

Here's a simple, tried and true quote for ya:

"Don't judge a book by it's cover"

everybody needs a swamp bear

[This message has been edited by Dracusis (edited 07-12-2001).]

Dammit!

My 600th post and I was bitching about something!!!! dam dam dam... Arr well, better count 601 in on that too....

everybody needs a swamp bear

what did you expect to be doing on your 600th post?...

"multiple pages"??!

Personally, that's a really bad idea. I go to boards that have that setup and it's much better to have the entire topic load up on one page. It's much easier to navigate because you just need to scroll up to reread something instead of having to reload another page.

And the color scheme is great too. It's muted, not too bright. None of the colors clash and it's real easy on the eyes.

As far as the Mad Scientists go, they have always fulfilled their duties as far as I know and haven't tried to censor anyone.

Here's a quote that sums it up for me (Shiiz excluded of course, ). If anyone knows who said it, I'd love to know.

"They may be bastards, but they're our bastards."

*finger poised over the 'close thread' link*

And thats your last warning about that mistah!

*slips and ends up here.*

Weadz (wOw, what a crazy place. heh)

You don't want 275 (it was a very fulfilling thread) posts to load on a single page. Pages lead to naturally longer discussions. It takes 25 posts at least to get a topic really going. Sadly, there practically is only room for 30 or so more posts.

So you can create a new thread. But isn't that exactly the same as manually creating a new page?

"Don't judge a book by its cover"
I wasn't. I judged the cover itself, and how it influenced the book.

The moderators moderate. Why? Why is moderating necessary? What possible value could moderation add to a forum?

christ almighty....


ok...


1) no, closing a thread and creating a new topic after about 40-50 posts is absolutely not the same as posting every post on a new page. you have 100 posts....either on 2 pages, or on 100 pages. Maybe it's just me, but I see a *slight* difference there.

2) moderators do a couple important things.
- we are responsible for archiving all the old threads. in case you haven't noticed, with 1200+ members, there are a lot of posts that come through here every day. that keeps us busy.

- we are here for exactly the purpose which is being complained about here - to keep an eye on things, and to step in when we believe it to be needed. you don't think it's needed? that's certainly your perogative. but, we're here. Live with it.

- we are capable of closing threads.

- incase one of us oversteps our bounds, or has a lapse in judgement (might I remind you, we're human), we are able to re open a closed thread as well.

- we are also here to help explain these things to people who for some reason don't understand.

I don't think there could *possibly* be another thing to say in this discussion...but something tells me it won't end anytime soon.



?Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative? -- Oscar Wilde

I have something to say also at this point...

The Asylum is Doc Ozones pad... that means that 'all' of us are guests here (included the mad scientists). I was looking for a post that Doc posted in recently (couldnt find it) in which *he* explained why there are mad scientists. Basically the point was that this place is alot for him to handle on his own , so he asked a few of us to help out, exactly in the way DL-44 mentioned above...

to the end that we are all guests in Doc's home.. I feel strongly that being a new member, one should have a certain amount of *respect* for the somewhat longer residents.

No one is saying that you shouldnt speak your mind.. but if you feel so strongly , why not email one of the Mad Scientists, or if need be , email Doc and express your opinions.

Please bare in mind though that alot of us have been around at the Asylum for a fair amount of time.. and even though you opinions are important.. the manner in which you express them as a new member is also important..

respect and decorum are always welcome here... now lets all get back to what the Asylum is about.. sharing and learning from all the wonderful individuals that are kind enough to spend and give to this place in a positive manner.

Please email me Drohmed if you want to discuss this further Thanks regards ~Vp~

edit: darn .. even the MS's cant speel properly.. heh



[This message has been edited by vogonpoet (edited 07-14-2001).]

*finger poised over the 'close thread' link*

And thats your last warning about that mistah!

*slips and ends up.........*

oh forget it, this is totally ineffective

Weadz (But we knew that)

My first look at this 4 day old mess, it's silly. Lotta silly talk. Dunno why I felt compelled to post that, it's just as silly but I'm a natural born threadkiller and it seems this one is dead, or it oughta be.

But now I have to come check this thread tomorrow cuz I posted in here. Damn, what was the name again?... oh yeah, disappointed...

Jason