Preserved Topic: BSS the Ripper

Hi.

Lets move here.

Its nice a quiet. Make some noise!

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BSS is a ripper = http://www.ozoneasylum.com/Forum1/HTML/004228.html

It started here = http://www.ozoneasylum.com/Forum6/HTML/000904.html

His page is here = http://www.blacksoulsunday.com/

More sites moving against him....

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Thanks for the heads up. The link has been taken down from my site. I do not
endorse nor support rippimg!

Colin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Hamilton" <Michael.Hamilton@whv.de.sykes.com>
To: <colin@photoshopcafe.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 1:21 AM
Subject: Blacksoulsunday is a ripper...

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Also, his shoutbox is down...

Moving on...he now has until the end of today to remove all ripped graphics from his site...if he still hasn't done this, it's time to notify his provider...

One thing I would like to make clear here...I have not done anything to BSS, other than expose the truth...no vile words (though the same cannot be said of him), no 'hacking' of his site (I don't support such actions, nor have I asked anyone to do so...), just plain hard work of finding the truth and exposing it. All actions taken up to this point (by me) were just mails to various sites affected by this and a running commentary of what I was doing (which I find to be fair that BSS should be at least informed of what I have done and what I wish him to do). All actions taken by various sites are not in that sense because of me, more, they are because of what BBS has done. I just brought this to their attention.

So should anyone have a problem with what I am doing, stop a minute and think...is exposing the truth wrong? Is giving the wrongdoer a chance to rectify his actions wrong? Is informing others of his wrongdoing wrong? My opinion is no, it's not wrong. BSS has had every chance to put a stop to this. He has had every chance to change the situation. The weight of this is, therefore, in his hands.

One final note...I don't really appreciate him (or anybody else, for that matter) using my name (or anybody elses), to post innane statements. This is, IMHO, in poor taste. I have E-mailed him, calmly explaining the very real possiblility of him losing his site. In this sense, my conscious is clear.






[This message has been edited by WebShaman (edited 04-25-2002).]

How about we lock this one and start BlackSoulSunday is a Piñata...


::: deviant art :::
::::::: or ::::::::
::::: moaiz ::::::

Moiz, I see that you link to deviant art...I take it that you are either active there, or visit there often. If that is so, could you contact them concerning this matter? A lot of BSSs 'Wallpaper' (under 'signatures') is ripped from deviant art. I know, because I did a lot of tracking of graphics there (and man, are there a lot of graphics to go through there...). I'm not going to post the results, because of the possibility of BSS just taking down those I post, leaving the others up, meaning that I have to once again spend huge amounts of time collecting evidence again. Maybe letters from deviant art will have more effect on BSS than mine.

Then again, maybe not.

I would also suggest the Pixel Police forum at the Dictatorship by Mark forums. I would drop this there but I am banned for life
However I did post this on SomethingLeet

{edit} I can now never post there again since my post count is now the magic number 42{/edit}


[This message has been edited by moaiz (edited 04-25-2002).]

Ok, I have informed deviant art of the situation.

And here is the post at Pixel Police...thanks Moiz, for the info.
http://pub102.ezboard.com/fdbmforumpixelpolice.showMessage?topicID=624.topic

[This message has been edited by WebShaman (edited 04-25-2002).]

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

Thanks for the heads-up Ini. If you find anything, please post it. Evidence of this nature is crushing...

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

As I said before, I'm giving him until the end of today to remove the 'ripped' stuff before I go to his provider...and time is ticking...but one has to leave him enough time at least to react. I find that only fair, even if he isn't.

For all of his 'blowing', I think that he is taking this stuff seriously. Otherwise he would never have removed the stuff before. I think he's starting to realize the extent of the matter. Well, we will see, won't we.

Rule #1) Don't piss off the lunatics.
Rule #2) See #1.


Your pal, -doc-

Has anyone contacted Yahoo yet?

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cheers.jay

I think shaman is going to. He was giving him a couple of hours to pull the stuff down



[This message has been edited by tikigod (edited 04-25-2002).]

just FYI... dat BSs boy aint takin notin else down. heh.

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The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

Not good on swedish time, but I tihnk it's been aobut about a day by now...I know it's the 26th over here.

So...what do we do, gentles, to this most foul of fiends?



Koan 63:
Those who Believe
Can
Those who Try
Do
Those who Love
Live

So when is he going down? It must have been a day by now.

Oh, and if this is going to require many people mailing his host, please let me know so I can do my part. It'll give me a chance to flex my writing muscles again.

Sorry I got anxious.

Hope no one minds, but I sent a few emails and made some phone calls.

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cheers.jay

Go Jestah!

WebShaman, what's the news?

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Rule #1) Don't piss off the lunatics.
Rule #2) See #1.

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Heh, you can say that again!! When WS gets back to his ward, is somebody going to increase the amount of meds he gets? hehe

Ok, he's had enough time...I'm sending the letter to his provider. Damn timezones...would have done this earlier, but then, I was asleep...

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

Ok, the letter has been sent...now we will just have to wait for the reply...

I would suggest that anybody who is interested in this case start sending mails to his provider.

Also, the graphic 'abstract' under 'signatures' is ripped from deviantart...especially the 'background' red pic...

And apparently he's begged, pleaded, and blatantly lied to his 'fellow' affiliates. Unbelievable. Well, we will see what his provider thinks...

Heh, here's a reply from John to my mail to him...he's starting to break down, I think...

Well... you still can't DO SHIT!!


--- Michael Hamilton
<Michael.Hamilton@whv.de.sykes.com> wrote:
> Hello John,
>
> Well, you were were warned, we were very reasonable
> with you. now it is too
> late. Your Provider has been mailed, along with all
> evidence of your
> ripping (and you haven't seen the half of it!!! I
> told you that we had
> more, however, I didn't want you to go and just
> remove that, like you have
> done in the past. I want that you remove all stolen
> graphic from your
> site.) Since you have not done that, well, we will
> see if your provider
> will.
>
> Sincerly,
>
> WebShaman

So we will see...yes, we will see...that he bothered to actually answer is what is here interesting...before, he never replied to my mails...I think it's all starting to come together...

Was that 'domain.tech@YAHOO-INC.COM' that we were supposed to send the e-mail to? I know someone (was it Doc, or WebShaman?) posted all the necessary info once, but I found this on the previous thread. Is this the right one?

I don't know how much weight my word would carry, as I don't have a site and I'm not a designer, but I still have the same convictions (and I've been educated by WebShaman ).

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

Very nice, Ini...

to suho...just use the mail address...yup, that's the one. FYI - I did not post that.

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

Ok, just mailed www.pixelcore.com on this case http://www.pixelcore.com/main.php3?go=forum&thread=90&skin=bluebox . We will see what happens...also, it seems that somebody ripped the good ol' Doc again...someone named 'Human' there has taken action against the perps...could that be Humanshield? Anyone know? Nice to see that others are watching out for the Doc...

[This message has been edited by WebShaman (edited 04-26-2002).]

I think I found another thing he's ripped. An entire passage of text this time.

I was reading through his "Introspect" section wondering how someone that's influenced by a 16" bong can own a 4WD, A motorcycly and some other sports car, 3 handguns (Go you 1337 moron), and manage to completly avoid mentioning his experience or current occupation. If someone feels the need to brag about having three cars they obviously value their life enough to brag about the job that got them all of this wonderful stuff no?

Anyway, I kept reading and the paragraphs at the bottom actualy sounded like it was written by an intelligent person. So, I cut and past a bit of it into google and well...

From http://www.blacksoulsunday.com/introspect

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I will continue to learn about web devlelopment and software, and at the same time, I hope to continue to become a better designer. I truly have every intention of being able to design and develop web sites and multimedia for any market, any demographic, any company. And I have every intention of bringing to these projects a freshness, and artistic twist that goes beyond profit and truly speaks to the end user.

I am confident and commited to this goal. I ALWAYS give everything to meet my goals. I work hard and my work ethic is something that I have taken very much pride in over the years. I encourage anyone reading this, who might be looking for inspiration (and that would be very cool if you were here looking for inspiration), to realize that goals are met through hard work and not gift.

Talent comes from working hard. Gifts are given away. Even the most gifted people in the world only achieve success by coupling that gift with relentless hard work, dedication and vision for the future. Einstein spent his entire life, even to his death, working hard to find a unified theory of physics. Tiger Woods has worked hard at playing golf since he was a toddler. Pete Sampras and Andre Agassi both started playing tennis when they were young children, and continue to work extremely hard into their 30's (old age in tennis years). And you don't have to start at age 1.

Be patient and keep at it. I know this from experience. Everything that I have, I earned through hard work and patience. Any gift that I was born with (if I was born with any), has only helped me during the periods in my life where I have worked the hardest. Believe that!

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But google didn't give me BSS's site, it gave me www.jlswebsource.com and his "Introspect Section" whom I heavly doubt is the same person. Here's the text from his site...

From: http://www.jlswebsource.com/introspect.html

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I will continue to learn about web devlelopment and software, and at the same time, I hope to continue to become a better designer. I truly have every intention of being able to design and develop web sites and multimedia for any market, any demographic, any company. And I have every intention of bringing to these projects a freshness, and artistic twist that goes beyond profit and truly speaks to the end user.

I am confident and commited to this goal. I ALWAYS give everything to meet my goals. I work hard and my work ethic is something that I have taken very much pride in over the years. I encourage anyone reading this, who might be looking for inspiration (and that would be very cool if you were here looking for inspiration), to realize that goals are met through hard work and not gift.

Talent comes from working hard. Gifts are given away. Even the most gifted people in the world only achieve success by coupling that gift with relentless hard work, dedication and vision for the future. Einstein spent his entire life, even to his death, working hard to find a unified theory of physics. Tiger Woods has worked hard at playing golf since he was a toddler. Pete Sampras and Andre Agassi both started playing tennis when they were young children, and continue to work extremely hard into their 30's (old age in tennis years). And you don't have to start at age 1.

Be patient and keep at it. I know this from experience. Everything that I have, I earned through hard work and patience. Any gift that I was born with (if I was born with any), has only helped me during the periods in my life where I have worked the hardest. Believe that!

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Looks word for word to me.

The thing that really pisses me off about this is what the text actually portrays. It's written by the kind of people that I encounter here so often. People passionate about design and art. People with respect for those who have walked that path before us and people with half a fucking brain.

I'm starting to doubt if any of this person's site is his. After all, his site is little more than the one image of a face used over and over and over again. He prolly ripped that too, then just used PS6 with his leet layer styling abilities to do the rest.


x 10



[This message has been edited by Dracusis (edited 04-26-2002).]

Well, judging by his graphics and this big chunck of text, I would say that his entire site has came from other sources. I find it really sad that he has been given so many awards and has such a name in this community of his.

Reading through some of the shoutbox on his site, I see that some at waystedyouth.org are backing him. I used to like that site somewhat. Now, it just falls flat and I doubt that I will ever go back.

This is a sad sad case.

Did you contact jlsweb ???

Later,
C:\


~Binary is best~

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

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( slang version )
" THE MEANING IS SIMPLE, MESS WITH MY SITE, I'LL SUE YOUR SORRY ASS "

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Um yeah ...

Dark

I contacted jlsweb on this. I also contacted the other 'webring' listed on BSSs site. And I think I'll pop over to wasted youth and mail them, as well...maybe I should join and post something...are any wastedyouth members here? Could save me some time...

to Drac...hey, big thanks on that one...a better example of 'rip' I couldn't find (with the exception of the Liquisoft stuff). Just one more nail in the coffin.

keep up the good work, everyone.

BTW Ini...maybe you should give his source code a look...I found a lot in it, but I'm not as good at that sort of stuff as you are...I know for example that he didn't do any of that DHTML stuff, it's just taken from a 'free' code site (the site is listed in the sourcecode...).
That considered, it just goes to stand that he probably ripped everything else, as well (including the code).

Did anyone contact PixelCORE yet?

Dark

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

Yes Dark, I contacted pixelcore...just take a look above in my post(s).

Also, it seems that our 'guest' BSS surfs here in the asylum by the name of zro1zro as well. At least, when I did a search here on BSS this name popped up, as well. Just do a search of his profile - search all post of this user - he posted here http://www.ozoneasylum.com/Forum1/HTML/004239.html but you can't see the name BSS anywhere. Also, if you search the asylum for BSSs name, it doesn't come up. And neither does the name zro1zro (at least I couldnt find them). Could be he's using that old trick that (and no bad feelings here, ok dark? That was awhile ago) Dark used.

And I don't particularly like that. Anyway to find out if that is true?

To Ini...great stuff, man. Maybe a mail to Liquisoft on that...Liquisoft was pretty riled about the graphic rip, this should really get them steaming...don't know if it is punishable, though.

Looks like his guestbook is momentarily offline...guess my last posts got him pretty riled up...he's probably erasing all entries again...

[This message has been edited by WebShaman (edited 04-26-2002).]

It looks as though he blocked your ip WS, from what it says in the guesbook. But somthing catches me as funny though. In some of the entries, the style of writing has not changed.

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Name: Waisted
Homepage: http://www.waistedyouth.org
Sent: 8.44 - 25/4 2002

I agree! I don't see any ripps here man and all I see is original work, the other image doesn't represent ripps cuz you and my friend designed it two months ago and he published his in Deviantart. You guys have understanding over it... I'm still liking your work Delta !!! Keep it up!

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Now, this is supposed to be from Wastedyouth, but check this next one out

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Name: Zak
Homepage: http://www.zildjian.com
Hometown: up your ass
Sent: 8.37 - 25/4 2002

Hey D! I bumped into your site from ozoneasylum.com and I don't see any ripps here man. I think they're just so fucking jealous about your originality and art. They did nothing but chitchat shit.. BTW, I like what you did to WebShaman's Picture man!!! ahahahahaha he stole Beavis's act man!!! Keep up the good work and I will personally contact you with my affiliation. FUCK THEM!!!

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and then this

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Name: Dough
Homepage: http://www.wastedyouth.org
Sent: 1.12 - 25/4 2002

Whoa!!! I admire your design man. I think it really kick serious ass!!! Keep it up!!

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Now in my opinion he is peppering his own guestbook with other peoples good names. I think I will send wastedyouth a message see what is up...



[This message has been edited by External (edited 04-26-2002).]

OH MY GOD...I just noticed, the brat didn't even spell wastedyouth.com right. So my theory is correct, he is peppering his guestbook.

He has been right along, the flattering posts seem to all happen the same time the edits do. Just a loser trying to make himself appear popular. Won't be happy until he's payimg for another host.. or his Dad is, whatever the case may be. Personally, I think someone should steal his computer.

Thanks to all that sent me mail and posted on this subject. I'm Josh from http://www.jlswebsource.com I hate rippers. I will be informing the Pad community at http://www.neofrog.com about this as well. I will also be sending mail to BSS asking him to write his own personal information.
Then I will be posting that he is a ripper on my sites. Then I will have sex with his mother and send him the photos.

If he does not take the stuff down, we may have to resort to "other measures" if you know what I mean.

WebShaman: I also noticed that he 'Edits' some of the posts to his guestbook. Go take a look, especially the ones that have your name on them.


WolfenMedia

Well, I can always see what BSS has posted, so that is not news to me. Just that one time I noticed that he had temporarily taken down his guestbook to 'fix' it. But that's ok, there are other ways to post to his 'guestbook'.

Now I am angry. Another asylum member ripped. And who knows for how long ( I suspect from the moment that BSS put his site up ).

I don't really know about the rest of the Asylum, but that is the last straw. I was willing to be reasonable and let the current results speak for themselves. But another member has been ripped by this guy. I don't really know what else has to happen before others really start getting interested in this case...but websource, you have my full backing now.

Once is enough. Twice is too much. I want blood.

I hope to god that Yahoo! decides to take this guy down. Because if not...then it's time for Phase II...

[This message has been edited by WebShaman (edited 04-26-2002).]

Should we notify www.digitaltropic.com? He helps them sell software and stuff.


WolfenMedia

Opps did I do that?

I have been informed that Jerry from: http://www.voidix.com/

will soon be removing http://www.blacksoulsunday.com/ from his affiliates section

So you just lost another affiliate Blacksoulsunday, and he asked that you remove his link button from your site

What a shame huh? Justice keeps getting served, that is so unexpected...

I think that John just went from being annoying to just plain sad.

After reading externals post i went to www.awedigi.com and www.wastedyouth.org and they don't look like the type of people who would support him, especially awedigi. Niether site has BSS as an affiliate.

I think he may be faking the posts. One of the people who flamed me the most after posting in John's guest book was awedigi, but awedigi's site seems too, well, professional for that.

Why don't you ask him? Send him a mail, with the documented 'proof'. If he has really been flaming you, then you will find out. And if not....then he'll probably get pretty riled up...nobody likes name jacking...and since the 'shoutbox' is down...I suggest the guestbook...

Someone needs to contact his host, "yahoo"

IP 209.1.224.24 (Virtual Root exposed)
Domain Name.......... blacksoulsunday.com
Creation Date........ 2001-11-06
Registration Date.... 2001-11-06
Expiry Date.......... 2002-11-06
Organisation Name.... John Wycoco
Organisation Address. 347 N. Saturmino Dr. apt. 7
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. Palm Springs
Organisation Address. 92262
Organisation Address. CA
Organisation Address. UNITED STATES

Admin Name........... John Wycoco
Admin Address........ 347 N. Saturmino Dr. apt. 7
Admin Address........
Admin Address........ Palm Springs
Admin Address........ 92262
Admin Address........ CA
Admin Address........ UNITED STATES
Admin Email.......... Kimo@blacksoulsunday.com
Admin Phone.......... 760-322-3129
Admin Fax............

Tech Name............ YahooDomains Techcontact
Tech Address......... 701 First Ave.
Tech Address.........
Tech Address......... Sunnyvale
Tech Address......... 94089
Tech Address......... CA
Tech Address......... UNITED STATES
Tech Email........... domain.tech@YAHOO-INC.COM
Tech Phone........... 1-619-881-3096
Tech Fax.............
Name Server.......... ns8.san.yahoo.com
Name Server.......... ns9.san.yahoo.com

This is who the number belongs to
Editha Zervoulakos
380 N Sunrise Way
Palm Springs, CA 92262

just did that webShaman.

We'll see what happens. I have a feeling awedigi knows as much about BSS as I did a week ago.

Yeah, it just gets better and better...this just in...the ol' tomahawks gettin' a royal workout..

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Thanks for informing me. After reading the forum posts and seeing that he obviously did steal other webmasters' material, I deleted his site from my web ring. There is no way I'm allowing my ring to drive traffic to an unoriginal, plagiarized site. I know how it feels to be copied; I am in no way going to support this by allowing such people into my web ring. Thanks again. Hopefully, BSS will get what he deserves.
-Shmazzy http://karmae.net/duel

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In the immortal words of Hannibal from the a-team 'I just love it when a plan comes together'.




[This message has been edited by WebShaman (edited 04-26-2002).]

I'm just curious if anyones checked BSS's affiliates section. He has the GurusNetwork listed. I just thought that was ironic.

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cheers.jay

Yeah, Jester, I actually went through his 'affiliates' section, and mailed everyone of them that had a link to him...so yeah, I know he has the GN there. I guess I'll have to notify Emps (if he doesn't read this). Wait a minute...how 'bout you Ini? Up to informing the GN about this? I guess it's time I pop over there and post what's been happening *sigh* I hate the idea of dragging the GN into something that started here...

It may have started here, but it obviously affects many more people, and I'm sure they'd want to know.

WS: I've been following developments. I hadn't realised the GN was there I'll pass it on and we'll try and get it sorted (removing the button from BSS' site will prove a bit difficult but we'll see).

[edit: dropped message into GN: www.gurusnetwork.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=9;t=000306
as I say no guarantees there]

Good work - its not just the ripping (we've seen that come and go before) its the arrogant, unapologetic, 'up yours' attitude ~sigh~

Emps

[This message has been edited by Emperor (edited 04-26-2002).]

Ok, they have been notified...I hope they don't freak out. Or maybe...I hope they do? Either way, this case is really getting deep...wonder where all the other Asylum members are...probably just enjoying the show *sigh*.

I'm kinda proud of this one



[This message has been edited by Schitzoboy (edited 04-26-2002).]

OK, I'm starting to get emails from newer members here at the site, I think maybe we're starting to scare some people, let's try not to scare anyone off, cool? BSS, did you get my email? C'mon, I was nice, drop me a note back when you get the time.

Personally, I'm starting to find this entire topic, well, boring.

Our next forum was scheduled to be the "Pixel Painting" forum, but I'm wondering if a special forum dedicated just to rippers, (and the education thereof) might not be in order.

If anyone wants to close this topic, I sure as hell wouldn't mind.

Your pal, -doc-

I have been enjoying this very much. You folks seem to have this well under control, so I haven't been the most active in this. I usually send a few e-mails on the sly, but the path of blood is already plenty wide enough.

I wish I could have seen his Izzay "smoke" rip. I didn't get here soon enough for that little piece.

I left two short messages in his guestbook, but he took them out. I think I'm gonna cry over that. Boo hoo boo hoo. I bet his IP block list is getting pretty big.

Ratings? Lot of good they do, especially when your site goes down. Hopefully YaHoo! will take it down if he doesn't mend his ways -- although it's probably too late for that.

Why in the world would he put a gif in "his" shoutbox that is too big for "his" shoutbox? I'm still giggling.

Knob. 'Tard. Reject. Take your pick.

This thread, as well as a few others, have taken up enough room and usefulness.

Please continue this discussion @ Re-education of BlackSoulSunday.
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cheers.jay

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