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You can report the URLs of websites spreading illegal content ( be it warez, pedophilic, ... ) to the authorities that will make the site close and eventually take legal actions against the owners.

The problem with "cyber" crime is that it's really easy to put something online and/or to spread absolutely anything.

As for the ability to download porn content in public library, you should blame their sys admins for their incompetence.

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Well for sure they will not let you know they are pedophiles. Thats the point. You don't know.

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Jade: you were asked about a person who we *do* know was involved in knowingly providing child-rapers with new territory and new victims. And you still said "yes". That is seriously fucked up.

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Also, lets not rule out that pedophilia is all over cyberspace. And no one is seriously doing anything to stop it. You can download sites of little naked boys and girls in two minutes. No one seems appalled by this enough to make an national outcry. You can even download young girl teens girls pics in the public library. Where is the justice.

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Again you deflect!!!!!

Yes, there are such things, and yes, things *are* being done about it - you read about it all the time. There are also a great deal of police/fbi stings on the internet to catch people who try to arrange for sexual encounters with minors.

Not that I am an expert on such things, but the only "teen" sites I have seen state very explicitly that the girls in question are 18+, which regardless of your view on pornography is perfectly legal and involves legal consenting adults (not to say younger girls couldn't find their way into such places....we know it happens...but that is a different issue).

The mere implication of child-molestation or child-pornography among people other than the clergy - including politicians, prominent business men, actors, rock-stars, etc - is enough to very often destroy a person.
Yet you insist on claiming that we don't make an "outcry" about it. We don't make as much of an outcry because in most such cases justice, such as it is, is dealt.

That simply has not happened for the church still!

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The answer is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. You never allow pedophiliacs, repentant or not, to ever be in a situation where they could harm a child again. It horrifies me to know that there is debate on this point.

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It horrifies me to know that there is debate on this point.

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I was shocked to even see the question.

I don't know what word would describe my reaction to the answer.....

^ "Gutted" works for me.

As I was reading Jade's post I felt as if I was being gutted.


And Jade... a question.
As you read the reaction to your position on this does it ever cross your mind, even fleetingly... you know something like ~thought bubble~ '... hmmmm I wonder if I've got something wrong here' ... or is it just 'we' who've got it wrong?

What appalling hypocrisy!

"The abuse which has caused this crisis is by every standard wrong and rightly considered a crime by society; it is also an appalling sin in the eyes of God."
? Pope John Paul II

Then he turns aroud and rewards Law.

What have they covered up which has yet to meet the public eye?

One of the methods a pedophile uses to get close to his victims is to ingratiate himself with the family.

Sounds as though you have a lot of trust in your priest jade, talked to your kids about him lately? They a little nervous around him, cast their eyes aside when asked questions, dodge the questions, resist opportunities to be alone with him? If not yet...well...keep an eye out for the symptoms, of which there are many more.

"All religions are equally sublime to the ignorant, useful to the politician, and ridiculous to the philosopher." -- Lucretius, Roman Poet (94 - 55 BCE)

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Not that I am an expert on such things, but the only "teen" sites I have seen state very explicitly that the girls in question are 18+, which regardless of your view on pornography is perfectly legal and involves legal consenting adults (not to say younger girls couldn't find their way into such places....we know it happens...but that is a different issue).

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This is a different issue for sure and getting off topic, but herein lies the problem or adds to it, which is "men & porn" Legal its still wrong on many fronts no matter what the laws are. Its degrading to the persons and very sickning to know grown adult men resort to porn literature and porn in cyberspace. Its an insult to the wife, girlfriend and little girls who are daughters. Continued viewing of porn can lead to one's destruction.

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And Jade... a question.
As you read the reaction to your position on this does it ever cross your mind, even fleetingly... you know something like ~thought bubble~ '... hmmmm I wonder if I've got something wrong here' ... or is it just 'we' who've got it wrong?

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I think it depends on what views you have about life. I think there are millions out there who think like me.

Jade, it is absolutely horrifying that you are right and there are millions out there like you. Though I believe using the word 'think' in that context is stretching one's credulity.

"All religions are equally sublime to the ignorant, useful to the politician, and ridiculous to the philosopher." -- Lucretius, Roman Poet (94 - 55 BCE)

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Its degrading to the persons and very sickning to know grown adult men resort to porn literature and porn in cyberspace. Its an insult to the wife, girlfriend and little girls who are daughters. Continued viewing of porn can lead to one's destruction.

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Blocks are mine.

I disagree vehemently.

Millions (if not more) view p0rn on a regular basis, without being "destroyed". I also disagree that it is an insult to the wife, girlfriend and little girls who are daughters.

My wife finds p0rn to be interesting and not at all "degrading". In fact, most Germans do not find P0rn degrading. Little girls who are daughters are not adults, and should not be viewing p0rn.

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I think there are millions out there who think like me.

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I think that is a major hurdle that the Catholic Church has.

Web, I mean the soul could be destroyed eternally. Satan does have very much control of the century. He throws feast when eyes and minds are committed to porn. Porn is one of the great evils.



27?You have heard that it was said, ?Do not commit adultery.?[a] 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
Divorce
31?It has been said, ?Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.?[b] 32But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.

Footnotes:

Matthew 5:27 Exodus 20:14
Matthew 5:31 Deut. 24

Web, I mean the soul could be destroyed eternally. Satan does have very much control of the century. He throws feast when eyes and minds are committed to porn. Porn is one of the great evils.

In the Book of Matthew from the NT

27?You have heard that it was said, ?Do not commit adultery.?[a] 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
Divorce
31?It has been said, ?Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.?[b] 32But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.

Well, since there is no proven soul to destroy, and Satan hasn't been proven to exist, I see no reason to believe that p0rn destroys. And since Hell hasn't been proven to exist, either...

Your points, based on facts and evidence, are non-existent.

As for this point on Divorce

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But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.

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Do you hold that to be true?

I personally view that as the stupidest thing I have ever read. I am Divorced (becasue my ex-wife wanted to get divorced, and yes, she was unfaithful. But does that mean that the man who married her after me is commiting adultery? I see nothing there saying what a woman, or man is, when the woman divorces the man.

So I suspect that this is only valid in the context of when it was "modern" - i.e. for the Jews.

I heard some good news from South Smerica the other day. Seems catholics there are leaving the church by the hundreds. The bad news is, they are embracing certain evangelical strains of the infection.

But ya gotta take a little bad with the good I s'pose.

"All religions are equally sublime to the ignorant, useful to the politician, and ridiculous to the philosopher." -- Lucretius, Roman Poet (94 - 55 BCE)

So Jade - what about the millions of women who also watch and thoroughly enjoy pronography?

And what's your response to my other statements?

Not to mention, that as long as you accept Jesus as the Savior, and believe in God, it doesn't really matter what crimes you may commit, or tresspasses. Just beg for forgiveness, and repent your sins, and off you go to heaven!

So you might as well enjoy the p0rn, the booze, the children...

Heck, swing a few rounds with ol' Nick...you can't lose your soul, Jade, because you are firm in your beliefs.

Don't worry about the rest of us - we are doing just fine.

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Do you hold that to be true?

I personally view that as the stupidest thing I have ever read. I am Divorced (becasue my ex-wife wanted to get divorced, and yes, she was unfaithful. But does that mean that the man who married her after me is commiting adultery? I see nothing there saying what a woman, or man is, when the woman divorces the man.

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In Christianity, according to bible scripture, they are both committing adultery. There is no other way to interpret this. In the teachings of faith this applies to the men as well. Other Christian, Protestant faiths are suppose to adhere to this teaching also. This precept of the faith can never be changed, because it comes from scripture. In my faith, in the plea for remarriage after divorce, you must seek an annulment from the first marriage, then be given permission to marry again. Its very hard to be a true Christian in following the way of Christ, but scripture also says, that the pathway to God is very narrow not wide and some cannot fathom doing God's will and choose their own.

(Edited by jade on 04-14-2005 19:06)

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Jade: you were asked about a person who we *do* know was involved in knowingly providing child-rapers with new territory and new victims. And you still said "yes".

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No, Sorry, I did not mean yes to that.

No DL, I would not leave my child with a guilty convicted child rapist.

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God, it doesn't really matter what crimes you may commit, or tresspasses. Just beg for forgiveness, and repent your sins, and off you go to heaven!

So you might as well enjoy the p0rn, the booze, the children

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Web, That is another act of sinfulness according to the faith. It is called the "Sin of Presumption". When we know that God who is a loving God, we take for granted. Even Constantine, did not get baptized into the faith until his deathbead, because he didn't want to give up his excesses. According to Christian belief God knows the heart, mind & soul completely. So to sin all you life out of ignornace, maybe you will not be judge as harshly, but to sin and know who God is and what is will dictates and continue to sin is a different matter altogether.

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So Jade - what about the millions of women who also watch and thoroughly enjoy pronography?

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Porn is porn no matter what gender watches it. Women are as much at risk in losing their souls.


This is part of faith teaching so you will know where I am coming from:

What is the single greatest gift a man and woman can give each other in marriage? It is their holy purity or chastity. Without holy purity, human love ? popularly known as ?sex? - becomes corrupt. There is no true human love without holy purity.

What is the single greatest virtue a young man and woman find most difficult to practice in this 21st century? It is the virtue of holy purity or chastity.

The sixth and ninth Commandment of God teaches us specifically against sins of the flesh. Without a knowledge and great love for God, holy purity will be very hard to maintain. St. Paul teaches us that chastity is a ?fruit of the Holy Spirit. Nevertheless, what about the countless temptations that seemingly are everywhere?

The best defense is a good offense ? maintain a holy attack against impurity. Often times, when resisting the sins of the flesh, persons will develop a divided heart. Having become lukewarm from serving two masters ? the desires of the flesh and the service of the Lord ? people run the risk of seeking approval from their peers rather than from God. The Virtue of purity requires an undivided heart.

Saint (Mother) Theresa of Calcutta had this advice for young people:

~You are the future of family life.

~You are the future of the joy of loving.

~You are the future of making your life something beautiful for God?a pure love.

~That you love a girl or that you love a boy is beautiful, but do not spoil it, do not destroy it.

~Keep your heart pure?Keep your heart virgin.

~Keep your love virgin, so that on the day of your marriage you can give something beautiful to each other?the joy of a pure love.



What is the one thing in this free world, thanks to the press and television, that is the major interest to the young? It is sex. So, let?s talk about it.

Today, sex has become almost mental. Every advertisement has to use it so that you are inclined always to think about it. What is it really?

Well, the reason you want to know about it is that it is a mystery. What is a mystery? Well, a mystery is a Sacrament. As a matter of fact, the Greek work ?mysterion? is the Latin word ?Sacramentum? and the English word ?Sacrament.?

Now, what is a Sacrament? Then we will understand sex.

Every Sacrament or every mystery has two elements. First, physical; second, spiritual. Something that is visible; something that is invisible.

Take for example, the Sacrament of Baptism. What is the physical side of Baptism? Water. What is the invisible side of Baptism? The cleansing of the soul to make us children of God.

A word is a sacrament. Because there is something audible and then there?s something invisible about it, namely, the meaning of the word.

Sex is a mystery. There is something physical about sex. Everyone is either male or female. It is that simple. Period. Not at all complicated.

What is the invisible sign of sex? What is the mystery? It is the mystery of love and it stands for something spiritual.

First, sex stands for God?s creative power given to people. He gives the creative power to a husband and wife, instead of directly creating us Himself alone. He says to a father and mother, "I will let you share my creative power and you will give life." This is the spiritual side of marriage and of sex, but it also stands for something else.

When girls and boys get older, someday they will come to the altaer. Will be married and there will be a reading from St. Paul?s letter to the Ephesians and this is what you will be told. Every bride stands for the Church, every groom stands for Christ. Think of it.

God intended that in marriage, the husband would stand for Christ; the bride would stand for the Church. Does that mean that the man is the head of the woman in the sense of domination? No. The man is the head of the woman in the sense of sacrifice.

So, as Christ gave himself up for his spouse, his bride, which is the Church, so the husband sacrifices himself for the wife.

Now, that?s the spiritual side of marriage and of sex. It, therefore, refers to love, human love between husband and wife, the love for God, the love for the Church.

Parents find it very difficult to teach their children the complete mysteries of sex. They can communicate the physical side of love ? that is easy ? but to communicate to you the mystery, the deep profound love that is involved, well, that is something that is almost impossible to describe.

Therefore, there will always be a difficulty in the way of explaining the mystery of love.

please, no more! Where is the vomitus slimy?

"All religions are equally sublime to the ignorant, useful to the politician, and ridiculous to the philosopher." -- Lucretius, Roman Poet (94 - 55 BCE)

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~That you love a girl or that you love a boy is beautiful, but do not spoil it, do not destroy it.

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Mother T endorsing homosexuality?!?! Now that really & truley is a 'miracle.'

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What is a mystery? Well, a mystery is a Sacrament

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You think so? Please don't tell Miss Marple... she's been working the whodunnit angle.

(Edited by NoJive on 04-15-2005 05:57)

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please, no more! Where is the vomitus slimy?

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I double that...it becomes sickening to read your posts, jade. You have truly sad way of thinking...

This could be possibly one of the reasons, the teachings majority of religious american parents pass onto their children, simply confuse the hell out of them.

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Well, the reason you want to know about it is that it is a mystery. What is a mystery? Well, a mystery is a Sacrament. As a matter of fact, the Greek work ?mysterion? is the Latin word ?Sacramentum? and the English word ?Sacrament.?

Now, what is a Sacrament? Then we will understand sex.

Every Sacrament or every mystery has two elements. First, physical; second, spiritual. Something that is visible; something that is invisible.

Take for example, the Sacrament of Baptism. What is the physical side of Baptism? Water. What is the invisible side of Baptism? The cleansing of the soul to make us children of God.

A word is a sacrament. Because there is something audible and then there?s something invisible about it, namely, the meaning of the word.

Sex is a mystery. There is something physical about sex. Everyone is either male or female. It is that simple. Period. Not at all complicated.

What is the invisible sign of sex? What is the mystery? It is the mystery of love and it stands for something spiritual.

First, sex stands for God?s creative power given to people. He gives the creative power to a husband and wife, instead of directly creating us Himself alone. He says to a father and mother, "I will let you share my creative power and you will give life." This is the spiritual side of marriage and of sex, but it also stands for something else.

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This is all supposition. Your belief. Not mine. And not a lot of others.

That being so, don't you think that maybe you might want to consider things from other perspectives as well?

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Everyone is either male or female. It is that simple. Period. Not at all complicated.

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Not everyone who enters this world is so well defined.

Talk to someone who works in a special care nursery. To you, 'gods will' , I suppose.

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That being so, don't you think that maybe you might want to consider things from other perspectives as well?

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You know me by my post Webshaman, how should I? Should I step out of my faithwalk and consider that porn might be a good thing for me.

My belief is that the body is the holy dwelling place of the Lord. A temple of the housing of the spirit of God. For me its sacred in that whatever the body does immorally on the outside, it affects the inside. The soul. To view a person or persons using their bodies as instruments or tools in erotic bars, cyber or magazines to give sexual gratification in the most intimate public way is contrary to moral teaching. It degrades the human person because they are called for greater things not of this world. They are called to holiness.

Are you aware, and I am sure you are how porn can cause damage in relationships. Persons become additcted, that they no longer want to engage in physical love with their spouse because they become obsessive to porn. Or they cannot engage in physical love without viewing some kind of porn. In a sense they become handicapped.Yes, its easy to give into sins of the flesh, but it sure hard to let go of it.
It can become a terrible damaging habit than can lead to perverse actions. Its something that committed pesons can't totally focus on each other but instead bring someone else or many persons in their most private intimate life in order to function.

*sigh*

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Persons become additcted, that they no longer want to engage in physical love with their spouse because they become obsessive to porn. Or they cannot engage in physical love without viewing some kind of porn.

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Such behavior is abnormal (abberant) behavior, Jade, and applies to many different things, not just p0rn.

Also, such behavior does not reflect the norm.

Basically, we are talking about human behavior (abnormal behavior, actually) here. P0rn in and of itself is not to blame for this.

Yes, Jad - what you are talking about is a symptom of the person affected, and not a symptom of any one external stimulus.

People become addicted to a great many things that are not in and of themselves bad things.

People become obsessed with all sorts of odd unexplainable things, as a result of some sort of need or other that they think they can fill with their obsessive behavior.

The target of their obsessive behavior is not to blame for their behavior.

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about the meaning of my statement? It was aimed at anyone who felt they were in
a position to defend the actions of the church in this case.

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Christian or specifically Catholic?

"You must unlearn what you have learned."
~Yoda

Without a doubt the 'dirtiest' book ever written.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/spp.htm

"All religions are equally sublime to the ignorant, useful to the politician, and ridiculous to the philosopher." -- Lucretius, Roman Poet (94 - 55 BCE)

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The target of their obsessive behavior is not to blame for their behavior.

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IMO, I view that it is.



Well, lets give an example, if you go to a girlie bar of your own free will, your going to expose yourself to a woman whose purpose is to dance erotically to stimulate you in the sexual way so you can give her some dollars and so the owner can make money off drinks. Right? Now, she has made a decision of her own free will to entice you which will affect your behavior, just as you allow yourself to be stimulated. According to you, there is no blame on the dancer because she is just the tool which controls you to act. But I say, both are used in the act to achieve gratification, therefore both are at risk.

Nudity in itself is not ugly, its just that some in the world use the body for ugliness. I have to believe the body, no matter what age, shape, form, missing limbs, fat or skinny, or race is a masterpiece of God's handiwork. Therefore, its beautiful! My faith says to use the body for pleasures, other than what the body was intended for, is to go against the natural law of God.

So...

You are saying that nudity in itself is not ugly. And the movments of the body are natural, right?

So how is viewing it going against the natural law of your god?

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So how is viewing it going against the natural law of your god?

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Its not bad as long as your looking at your own.

narrower and narrower. Soon jade your mind will be able to pass through the eye of a needle.

"All religions are equally sublime to the ignorant, useful to the politician, and ridiculous to the philosopher." -- Lucretius, Roman Poet (94 - 55 BCE)

Jade - understand that I don't consider suc things a "risk to the soul". Given that, I don't care about who's at risk in that regard.

The point I make is very simple: people have these obsessions with all kinds of different things - there are large numbers of people who have addictive personalites. Such behaviors will show through regardless of the target item.

Whether someone displays this behavior in regard to pornography, gambling, alcohol, drugs, religion, self mutilation, or stockpiling cans of chicken noodle soup (it happens...) - the behavior is the same, and the addictive personality is to blame for such obsession. It's not because pornography is so evil that it forces addiction onto people...

And yes, there are studies, tests, and ass-loads of facts to back that up - again...pysch 101 (maybe 102...).

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My faith says to use the body for pleasures, other than what the body was intended for, is to go against the natural law of God.

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And uhhh...what exactly is the body intended for, according to your "natural" (bullshit!) law of god?

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(Edited by poi on 04-19-2005 18:29)

The new pope has been chosen. A German. I am happy we have a new pope. A scholar. Well, so was John Paul. I hope and pray he unites us all. He is a traditionalist, as John Paul was. I know it will be hard to fill the shoes of John Paul, but already some are speculating that this Pope Benedict will be a great pope too. I was hearing in the news that already Germany is rejoicing in the pick of a German. They are proud.

Mummy, Benedict XVI aka Joseph Ratzinger, is also a dope.

Why poi? How do you come to the conclusion without knowing who the new pope is that he is indeed a "dope". You don't come across with a valid reason why? What is it?

He is a hard conservative, declared repeatedly that birth control is evil, said the RC is the only form of Christianity ( thus insulting all other forms like Orthodox, Protestants, ... ), wrote that homosexuality is a "tendency" toward an "intrinsic moral evil" and both an "objective disorder" and a "moral disorder", is against marriage of the priests. That's more than enough to qualify as a dope in my eyes.