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Opera 9 preview 2 has finally been released to the public on Windows, Unix and Mac.

There's *many* changes, among which the widgets

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(couldn't resist ) I've actually heard it's good, or at least that it has nicer SVG support, which is good.

It's a sweet litte browser. Yay for the best Canvas implementation around.

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tab thumbnails are cool. they probably put it in when they saw IE7's tab browser.

built int bittorrent is also awesome.

widgets? time for an asylum-opera-widget contest?

but where did that sub-adress bar thingy go? i want it back!

Tab thumbnails are, from what I understood, a direct benefit of implementing canvas and allowing generic elements to be rendered as were they images. I think a moz extension that does it just like op9 exists as the direct inspiration. However, as a feature it's more likely inspired by OmniWeb and Exposé than by IE7.

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/me stabs canvas

it appears that my ServerName does not work anymore in OP9TP2.
i run apache2 and usually access my local websites using http://mylocalservername/ which still works fine in FF and IE. but OP seems not to find it. interestingly some other virtual server names are working in OP, only the one which identifies my machine doesn't.

yes, i have disabled all proxy servers, etc.

Grumble, I am all for bug reports, they're so useful, but I am all for -detailed- bug reports, especially when it comes
to C/C++.

I am sure Poi "is" not Opera, although he works for Opera, so I am quite puzzled by the impact of a statement
like "it appears that my ServerName does not work anymore in OP9TP2." thrown in a forum at someone from the Opera staff.
From the "probably hundreds" of Opera staff members.

(It is unlikely that poi will knock the project managers in charge down, hijack the Opera source code,
fix the issue in a few minutes, based on "my Servername does not work", and use his telepathic powers to get the details you did not provide.
Software development of large applications just doesn't work this way)

A nice and clean bug report has to include enough elements for the bug to be reproduced:
possibly, OS, OS version, other www related applications aside Firefox, procedure applied to install Opera 9.

And possibly, it should be brought to the attention of the company, not an individual.

wow, what side of bed did you get out of this morning?

I'm sure Grumble would have made the same comment if Poi didn't work with Opera, it's an observation.

Anywho... New browser looks interesting, especially with the bitTorrent addition, I wonder if this stay there?

Cheers,

No prob Blaise, it's just that.. working for a huge company as 2nd level support, *trust me*, bugs like this
can have 10000 root causes, varying from network settings (hosts file?) to corrupt application data in the user profile
to <you name it>.

And there only is a very-very tiny chance of an actual bug in Opera: in most cases, the public, stable build, is "as stable as can be" and
the cause is somewhere else.

In the particular case of Grumble, I published an app in the 3d forums a while ago.
He downloaded it, and got back to me with a plain "it crashes" comment.
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Assuming it crashed at startup, it took me three weeks... to find out that the bug he had mentionned did never occur at startup,
but specifically when doing <some action>
and was a KNOWN bug I could then sort out. So I went on a ghost chase for the lack of a clear bug report, and spent three weeks on it.
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So I may have sounded "harsh", but it's an innacurate observation, which can cause harm instead of helping.
If the intent is helping, I am showing him the correct way.
If the intent is dissing, I am trying to point out his config could be the cause.

In any event, if the intent is helping, then why not learning once for all what does help a coder,
and what does not?

My 3 cents.
I wish users would send me bug reports... but I wish they would avoid keeping it "too short to make sense".

(Edited by _Mauro on 02-13-2006 16:23)

Of course I don't know all of the ~270 employees at Opera, but it's easy to find a person who knows who work on this or that module. Our Bug Tracking System is not public but still anyone can fill a bug ( try to follow the so-called Guidelines for Reporting Opera Bugs).

Keep in mind that Opera 9 TP2 is a Technical Preview, thus the name It works quite well but there are some pixies that'll get fixed in the final release.

Grumble: Is there some utf-8 characters in the name of your server ? a port number ? or anything funky in the URL ?

Blaise: Yep I'm also pretty sure Grumble would have mentioned his problem anyway.

reisio: I wouldn't stab Canvas if I were you. That little tag/object has a good potential.

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Yep I'm also pretty sure Grumble would have mentioned his problem anyway.

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And it still wouldn't be accurate (and I still would be the same picky beeitch, that's just the way it is).
Thank you for the bug report link.

Poi, is your "current task" at Opera under non-disclosure agreement?
If not, what are you doing?
And, is the PSP part of the Opera target platforms in "some future"?

Opera also started weekly builds of their desktop browser (planned to continue until Merlin final (Op9.0) is released), so If you want to try a cutting edge Opera, have a look at http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/

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Holy s**t, I don't even have the build 8219

_Mauro: Of course, I'm under NDA.
Nonetheless some of the projects I've worked on are now public, so there's no problem to say that I've worked on Opera Platform and on some widgets ( like the calculator and the currency converter ).

As for a PSP version, I honestly don't know. But you're not the first to beg for one. [edit] And actually if I knew I couldn't tell without seeing Keyser Soze unleashed upon you, me, our families, goldfishes ... [/edit]

Oh, and I for one don't expect to see complete bug reports about a software having its own BTS on th Aylum. Still, Grumble's problem might be a known issue.



(Edited by poi on 02-13-2006 23:03)

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I wouldn't stab Canvas if I were you. That little tag/object has a good potential.

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Decent potential to hinder development of SVG (which has more than good potential), anyways. :/

So you're telling me Keyser Soze works for Opera !?-)
For the psp it would be so cool to see Sony grant official development licenses to non video game related companies, and open up their pocket thing.
Maybe something for the future?

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Still, Grumble's problem might be a known issue.

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Absolutely so why not investigate it deeper instead of the vague "oh it doesn't work"... anyway, if I hurt somebody, lighten up, it wasn't intended.
Otherwise it would be direct.

Bugs are priceless when spotted methinks.
(f***, maybe it didn't sound as "funny" as I felt it, maybe it came across as arrogant, I don't know, and I don't care, I
don't like the sporadic "oh it doesn't work", it's close to useful, just useless instead. Wether it is the pope, Grumble or Keyser Soze who said it)

And the nightly builds are nice, don't know about the main release, looks good, feels good, and I am hard to impress.

reisio: True. SVG ( introduced ~2001 ) is a killer language. Alas it's way too rich. The simplicity of Canvas ( introduced ~2004 ) works|ed for its adoption. Canvas is way easier to implement by browser vendors.