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I have been working on a Java development team for the last 8 months (using JDeveloper & Oracle 10g). We are a strict XP shop ....paired programing, short iterative releases, and JUnit tests for everything. Still progress seems painfully slow to me as I am new to this style of development.

Today I worked on a contract job in PHP and whipped out an app in just a few hours. The same thing would have taken a couple of days for me in Java. It felt so good to be working in the Zend IDE and cranking out php code, kinda like hanging out with an old friend!!!


I think there will always be a place in my heart for PHP.

/* Sure, go ahead and code in your fancy IDE. Just remember: it's all fun and games until someone puts an $i out */

Java's great... ...but you can sit there and write fifty lines of code for what you could write a bash script in four.

And yes I have recently discovered a love for PHP as you have too.

rukuartic@halflght:~/$ whatis life
life: nothing appropriate.

You should check out Ruby, and Ruby on Rails, that's effiecient and beautiful code!

I'm in love with Python and Django.

My girlfriend is tired on my Java bashing. At work I code with Java. At home it is Ruby on Rails or use PHP for some of my personal sites.

Ruby on Rails is a great full stack framework for application development. It is beautiful, and it would be my first choice for use. PHP would be my second, and that find much wider support on most web hosts which makes it appealing.

If I were making decisions, there would be no more web application development in Java, it is too clunky to do the job and to be maintainable. There might be some places where Java is going to be useful, but they are small instances where you might have to interact with a legacy database, or aggregate data from a number of disparate data sources. Java can do that, and has the libraries to make it work (I would still not call it pretty).

For front end development, or for single database querying (which is what a large portion of the development tasks will be) you will find that Ruby on Rails or PHP will be the fastest, most maintainable solution for the problem set.

Dan
Code Town | Zombie Head

I too am biting the bullet and making the switch to Ruby on Rails. Though I'll still use PHP for some of my own apps just because I know it so well.

That and Rails documentation is still not anywhere near as nice as PHP's


But I agree with you Java can be excessively time consuming.



.:[ Never resist a perfect moment ]:.

I've been using CakePHP for some projects at work. I haven't delved into RoR yet, keep meaning too, but just no time.

I'm glad I make the choices around here as to what language I use, as I too get rather tired of Java at times.

(Edited by Nathus on 02-13-2007 23:49)

I agree with kuckus. Python is my new love (haven't used Django yet though).

Rails is good. PHP is good. I love them both.



Java makes me want to pee.




Since the Internet is a series of tubes, we need to have our programming be as small as possible. Java makes that impossible. When my own personal Internets are slow, I want to pee.

So that's why Java makes me want to pee.




As for frameworks on top of PHP, such as Symfony or CakePHP or QCoda, I have to urge against them. They're great for the casual developer, but the sheer volume of shit that gets installed on a fresh installation is more often than not overkill.

Me, I prefer to develop my own class structure for repeatable systems -- form validation, email subsystems, persistent database connections, et al -- so that I can install them as necessary depending on what I'm doing.



In summation:
PHP = Good. Java = Pee.


I'm gonna go make a sandwich now.

-steve