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Jestah
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Long Island, NY
Insane since: Jun 2000

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 04:39 Edit Quote
quote:

argo navis said:

Jestah : you'd prefer getting the approval of your friends to validate your lack of personality and bring you back into comfort.
Where I am comfortable treating you as a chump without anyone else's approval.



This is rich coming from the lying sack of shit who keeps creating new threads to complain how others are being mean to him. Get help you nut job.

argo navis
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Switzerland
Insane since: Jul 2007

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 04:50 Edit Quote

There's no site about a Mac guy - all I mentionned was humor about and the easy clues to a douche like you.

They are not even able to see where they fail at acknowledging the work quality delivered by any support
agent who even pay you the courtesy of SMILING - your joke about withdrawing things IMPLIES, and SAYS,
from your own mouth you have been a cunt enough to be the customer who moans firsthand.

Instead of the customers who understands someone is doing their best and an interface, a simple point of contact
with a company.

...
The "proof" sites that I mentionned are :
1) all the informations you need to acknowledge that I worked for Philip Morris, Nestel, DHL, among others. Earlier, PWC, when I was in my twenties, but it was paid nothing. www.b-i.com /
or google [Philip Morris world headquarters], same for Nestle. Oddly enough, they're ten minutes from my home.
2) An it consultant in Switzerland costs 100 chf an hour MINIMUM. [tariffes consulting Suisse]
3) A freelance only pays 30% of his income, a little less, in taxes [taxes indépendants Suisse] - notice that nowadays, this is 100$ an hour with the currency
and the slight advance of the Swiss economy over US economy.
4) EPFL sells and exports the highest end software in the world. www.epfl.ch or [alinghi ship construction]
5) The www (http and html)originated in Switzerland. Tim Berners Lee, rings any bell?
6) etc.. all the facts I quote about ME are easilly demonstrated. AND consistent with one another.

I could post the pictures of my ex girlfriends - those I have kept. I dated a model. Two sports teacher. A commercial director while I was in Prague. AMONG...
But I respect THEIR intimacy - six clear cues as to what kind of things I do and where I live should be enough to anyone INCLUDING you to understand.

And I could play you around for the night - you'd answer until you're out of fingers for you're so hell bent on proving something
to the world.

I don't like to use my fingers with you : type the above google queries. If you want references, I have no binding agreement preventing me to give them.
What do you have Jestah? The grace of a dancing monkey I can play AT WILL. What was your question already? When will you get tired of it?

Me. Now.

Jestah
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Long Island, NY
Insane since: Jun 2000

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 05:09 Edit Quote

Ini, you're just full of shit.

- I made no joke at any Apple employee's expense.
- You've never dated a model.
- You've never dated a director.
- I don't have a clue what a sports teacher is but you never dated one. Much less two.

You're just a lying sack of shit who's desperately trying to get attention. Get help nut job.

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Norway
Insane since: Jun 2002

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 05:13 Edit Quote

Do you guys smell that ? Smells like pop corn to me.

argo navis
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Switzerland
Insane since: Jul 2007

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 05:41 Edit Quote

Yaaaaawns. Well, check the image :
Edit TP: No draging pictures of third parties into this.


With a little bit of work, you can retrieve the source site where her role is as an interface to french customers
for the travel agency AND commercial director. A beautiful girl, truely, she teaches the Pilates method aside being a party animal,
a wonderful Salsa dancer, and..

Poi, while you're having popcorn, a quote from an email of the afforementionned girl to me :

quote:

Edit TP: Removed personal details of third party.



I am basically telling her I am in a hurry about joining her for a romantic weekend.
DHL website : http://www.dhl.cz/publish/cz/en/careers/opportunities/scp.high.html

Now, I altered her email adress but am including the email headers :

quote:
Edit TP: Removed personal details of third party.



So poi or anyone qualified can trackback the email route - and validate I recovered this message in my outlook from my former email adress.
I am daring to infringe on her confidentiality, without quoting too much, because the company who she works for has awesome flats in Prague,
a beautiful city.

You want some people to contact inside DHL about the success my migration had back then?
The model is a Swiss commercials model, not a top model. Livia is the other sports teacher : a rose applet can be seen on my website, for her birthday.

You could also google "Melina Costas" - a brilliant fantasy artists.
With some we parted in bad terms, some in good terms. I wish I could have given then more, even, I love women. I give them powerful emotions
and THEY can stand those.

(Edited by argo navis on 03-12-2008 05:42)

(Edited by argo navis on 03-12-2008 05:43)

(Edited by Tyberius Prime on 03-12-2008 10:21)

(Edited by Tyberius Prime on 03-12-2008 14:57)

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Norway
Insane since: Jun 2002

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 05:55 Edit Quote

Wow. Looks like you reached a new all time low.

argo navis
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Switzerland
Insane since: Jul 2007

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 06:02 Edit Quote

How? Complimenting women I loved and advertising their brilliant work and qualities?

If the girls are on the web, they want to be on the web : I am extremely proud of some of them regardless of the distance/time,
I see no bad in that - and I see no harm in expressing it, instead, at least it lightens up the atmosphere.

As for you reactions, I assume it's "wow he dared to poast a private email". Which is an acknoweldgement that... guess what?
It's all true. But while you still are bitching about your wounded ago and any excuse you could imagine,
those girls can happilly live a life on the internet BY CHOICE, where they deserve all the contacts - professional -
they can get.

Link between DHL and b-i, and again a compliment about the excellent collaboration :
http://www.itsmf.ch/news.asp?NewsID=30

On a site about itsm proviiders.... it support highest end professionals.
No, really, complimenting former acquaintances is that bad on your high scale of morality? You're such a lifeless chump poi,
it's a pitty to see where your anger comes from. So, that ignore button?

(Edited by argo navis on 03-12-2008 06:06)

Jestah
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Long Island, NY
Insane since: Jun 2000

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 06:11 Edit Quote
quote:

argo navis said:

As for you reactions, I assume it's "wow he dared to poast a private email".



It's probably closer to "wow, making up conversations with imaginary people".

It shouldn't come as any surprise that I was unable to find any mention of V.N. (Edit TP: Removed personal details of third party.) the director.

(Edited by Tyberius Prime on 03-12-2008 15:02)

argo navis
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Switzerland
Insane since: Jul 2007

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 06:22 Edit Quote

You'll have them on her business card, which I can photograph for you right now as we speak, or by querying the commercial registries of czech republic under her name.
Babelfish the commercial registry entry backwards to english, and you'll see "commercial director" because she is responsible
of all the content and communication, and most of the ideas behind the rentego site.

EDIT : no need to remove her last name - she proudly displays it as the second major role in her company.
Commercial registry information :

quote:

Edit TP: Removed personal details of third party.



A poor translation of her job definition :
http://www.tranexp.com:2000/InterTran?url=http%3A%2F%2F&type=text&text=Obchodn+%26%23345%3Beditel%3A&from=che&to=eng

But you can see that the poor translator clearly meant "commercial" or "marketing" director.

And you should definitely visit Prague through them : she is a marvellous person, although a bad incident severely damaged our relationship.

Now, as much as you want to reject the truth, it's sadly here to be seen by anyone, anytime. I can't make up email headers,
and I could feed you with proofs endlessly, and rapidly. Like our photos together
- but that would be an insult to her privacy for real, not a simple statement of facts.

You could not find her job profile because? Guess what?
You cannot get even THAT right.

(Edited by argo navis on 03-12-2008 06:36)

(Edited by Tyberius Prime on 03-12-2008 14:58)

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Norway
Insane since: Jun 2002

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 06:31 Edit Quote

argo navis: To quote your humorous self: " Can't your read ? ". I said above that it needs a CLASS attribute with the userId in the TRs.

argo navis
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Switzerland
Insane since: Jul 2007

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 06:45 Edit Quote

Which implies you'd have a small idea of what CLASS is. Outside of a computer and when interacting with real world,
and truely valuable people - oh but! Those LI tags are much more valuable than fortune 500 and quality women. See why our choices differ?

If you flip the site to french, btw, you'll have what shows here on my business card : "directeur commercial" is her position definition.
Ding-ding - making this up? No, Jestah, that is what you do as a standard attitude.

quote:

It shouldn't come as any surprise that I was unable to find any mention of V.N. (Edit TP: Removed personal details of third party.) the director.



No Mac guy. Way more compelling : A girl you didn't know. A professional you can't equate and will NEVER compare to. And there she goes to you DIRECTLY, RIGHT OFF THE BAT,
discounted as an imaginary person. Yes, that IS an insult - you don't even give her the credit of substance when the legal registers of her country say so.
I bet the single thought of a woman with POWER scares the bitch in you.

But can't fix stupid - THAT is beyond my competencies.

(Edited by argo navis on 03-12-2008 07:07)

(Edited by Tyberius Prime on 03-12-2008 14:59)

argo navis
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Switzerland
Insane since: Jul 2007

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 07:56 Edit Quote

Eventhough I am still chewing on the baits and fully aware of it, I've stopped caring about the outcome a while ago,
but letting the turd screw the truth, and insult women - just basically that.

NO man is allowed to harm a woman in my presence - period, as much an under-douche as you are,
it is no excuse. So back at the woman I almost married - the deepest love I have ever felt, yet abandonned for several reasons.
Did I mention she was from Latin America? Owner of an MBA, top level executive, speaking two languages fluently?

Again. Way to go Jestah : being a man is about having balls even when dealing with a women who could make or break your carreer on a whim.
Being a man is about TAKING TRUE RESPONSIBILITY FOR EVERY FUCKING THING YOU DO AND FACING THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR CHOICES,
as I AM doing.

Pure pixels from Paris and Barcelona, our thermal spa, four stars, golf resort (Barcelo resort). My lyfestyle. My standards.
EARNED IN SWEAT, THAT IS WHY FUCKERS GET NO RESPECT RAPIDLY - I have been there. I have done that,
I have no time to empathize with potential turned to mediocrity.
Edit TP: No draging pictures of third parties into this.

(Edited by Tyberius Prime on 03-12-2008 10:21)

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Norway
Insane since: Jun 2002

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 09:00 Edit Quote

Seriously. Why ? Why do you do/say all that ? do you have any idea of the level you've reached ?

I for one have sympathy for the potential turned into mediocrity. May you soon realize that you don't have to prove or compensate for anything, you can just be a cool guy doing cool stuffs.

argo navis
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Switzerland
Insane since: Jul 2007

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 09:21 Edit Quote

..Says he at the end of provocation.

quote:

realize that you don't have to prove or compensate for anything,



If you imply by this that I am making this up, as yet another attempt to undermine me, make it clear. Have balls about that if nothing else.
Such a level of moronity is acceptable from some, on your behalf it's "once again" a provocation in lightweight disguise.

Since, at the level of a Jestah, it takes a photo and TAKING HIM BY THE HAND THROUGH A GOOGLE SEARCH
to leverage the discussion from the Baboon stage and transition into kindergarten, then so be it : I have NOTHING to hide, what about you?

20 years from now we'll try algebra with big J.

Now, who do you think buys your coming all innocent after all the filth you have poured on me?
Be real.

And ponder this : if what I say about my lifestlye is as true as any document I can provide, all completely authentic and
legit, then my claim at knowing exactly how to make millions and being on my way to it is? True.
If I am selling high end hardware/software, as I seem to suggest, then guess what?

I might have offered salaries extraordinary to people who would have proved true professional qualities to me INCLUDING
a true flexibility in their visions - not an emphasis on the "LI" tags because missy boss says it's best. That's where and when
you permanently tied yourself to making a regular salary, having 2.3 kids, etc..

The resume is only half of the pro : the true qualities to get to selling your stuff in your name and at the right price,
you can't develop and you've proved it beyond the shadow of a doubt to me. You need a structure to surround and validate you.
And most people here need exactly the same. It IS the willingness to compromise at no cost that is crucial to this initiative or any.

(Edited by argo navis on 03-12-2008 09:31)

Wes
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Inside THE BOX
Insane since: May 2000

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 09:49 Edit Quote

I'll jump in just to share the solution I've come up with. I simply avoid any thread he starts. For me, they've proved time and again to be a) highly self-indulgent panegyrics of his own brilliance in which he invites criticism only to bitch Christlike about being criticized or b) barely intelligible, hemorrhagic catharses about his personal tribulations, which he sets out like bear traps to argue in defense of his emotionally impaired actions.

For my part, I didn't know who Argo Navis was until his behavior surfaced again, at which I began to suspect he was Ini. Nobody had to tell me. The delusional rants were signature. When someone finally confirmed his identity, I wasn't at all surprised. (Don't ask me who or when, it was just a reference I noticed, and again, it wasn't a watershed revelation for me.)


Take this discussion, for example. I haven't the faintest clue what he's going on about, which is what always happens when he's actively involved in a thread: megalomaniac blathering. I mean, my god, that last post is the most pathetic cry for validation I've ever witnessed.

Get help. Don't. I don't care. Stay in your thermal spa and steam your inadequacies there.

By the way, is it just me or does he hold a frighteningly uncanny resemblance to Kids in the Hall's Paul Bellini?

Wes
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Inside THE BOX
Insane since: May 2000

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 09:52 Edit Quote
quote:
You need a structure to surround and validate you.



Giddyup!

argo navis
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Switzerland
Insane since: Jul 2007

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 10:00 Edit Quote

Probably, but I don't mind my appearance at all - especially in that thickening suite, which makes even a gorgeous lady as her
look like Paul Bellini.

You say you have no clue, as in : the guy who tries to sell shows that NEVER take off? The guy who starts projects that end up down the drain?
And has done so ten times in his life? No private spa there, it's a resort - a hotel. Seeking attention as in : the guy who never will make it to public tv
(yet tries hard)?

Btw, it's no surprise either to see you join the usual bully swat team : in the philo forums, WS, poi, you, usually compose it.

The problem is that while you keep waxing your egos mutually over your virtual identity, you lose sense of what your existences truely are.
Say, Wes, I'll make a bet with you : I bet with the Asylum, and will paypal the Doc, one million dollars - us dollars, that I will make ten during the next five years.

But on your end of the bet, if I WIN, you come over to Switzerland on your own, and you suck my cock dry. Deal?

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Norway
Insane since: Jun 2002

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 10:03 Edit Quote

argo navis: to compensate : verb. to provide a substitue, to make up for, to counterbalance.

argo navis
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Switzerland
Insane since: Jul 2007

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 10:14 Edit Quote

Absolutely : I am compensating for the pain of too much money and coding fun 3d stuff by sharing intimacy whenever I want with girls of that caliber.
Or is it the burden or having no boss other than myself, and owing only to customers?
It may be the difficulties with having a beautiful flat right in the center of the town?

Or is it my recent promotion to a restricted area of a 15000 members forum which pertains to subtle commercial techniques I won't expose - but that Blaise, for one, knows?
Remember the "cube" routine?-)

That last admittance, sadly, is a proof of concept : the proof that emotionally retarded people like you are unable to draw a line regarding the past - same argo.
Other forum. Praises. Same argo. www.epfl.ch . Praises. Same argo. DHL, PM, Nestlé... praises. Asylum : bullying.

And you think I could doubt I am right for a single second?
Ah yeah... I could, as I am jealous of the tremendous successes of We... no. Of Web... neither. Of Jes... nope.
Hmmmm. Tough call.

(Edited by argo navis on 03-12-2008 10:15)

Wes
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Inside THE BOX
Insane since: May 2000

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 10:33 Edit Quote

Yes, I had an idea for a TV show once, several years ago. It instead got me hired on as a writer for a book series and has subsequently been on the back burner. (Incidentally, I've made it to "public TV" on several occasions and am currently engaged in yet another national radio campaign for my latest book release.) As for the other ten projects "down the drain," you're delusional, as usual.

I wish you happiness with your $10 million and comfort in the thought that your personal attacks bother me.

I'm going to go to sleep now in my tiny apartment so I can get up and work on another book that won't earn me more than my monthly rent, then lament my lack of 25 long-term relationships with rich, international women. Oh, to code fun 3d stuff and earn praises from chocolate makers ... sigh ...

argo navis
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Switzerland
Insane since: Jul 2007

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 10:38 Edit Quote

One of my imaginary dellusions : the box. Aw, go figure, we quoted ad hominem before and I seem to be the only one to come up
with anything that looks like a fact. As for chocolate makers, tim berners lee, on google. You'll see that the http/html you're posting on
has been invented by chocolate makers. But of course, learning this would have required some schooling.

Which pretty much wraps up the ass you're being with the head of the pack : looping back to the same facts I had to demonstrate to Jestah.

Way to go. ..sigh... cattle lovers.

Tyberius Prime
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Germany
Insane since: Sep 2001

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 10:49 Edit Quote

Ok, I've just come back from a week's worth of vacation, and need to work,
not read up on the latest 'trouble with InI' right now.

But here are some points I want to make.

  • No posting of pictures of unconsenting parties. Pretty girls, Argo, but they've not agreeded to be your status symbols (or have removed that agreement when you seperated ways) - so stop infringing their confidentiallity.
  • I consider the killfilles proposed by poi, while technically ingenious, to be harmful to the community in general.
  • We can easily ban a username. If somebody comes back and we can't identify him again (because he behaves), we have no need to ban him again. Otherwise, banning someone is exactly five mouse clicks for
  • any
  • Mad Scientist (and visible from the ->adminlog).
  • Keep it calm - don't test my temper. That means all of you



so long,

->Tyberius Prime

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 10:59 Edit Quote
quote:
@Tao, a last one :

quote:
While it is true that some members of the Asylum knew this in advance, none of those who knew went about flaming or baiting Argo Navis in attempts to somehow "trip him up" or "hunt him down". They also did not go around revealing who Argo Navis was, either.



This is a lie. What happened is exactly is that on chat, I set my name to Argo Navis.
As a result, Webshaman, without notifying me, informed DL-44, and some other people pre-emptively
in an attempt to "fullfill his mod duties".



No, not a lie. No-one was publically informed, your "identity" was not posted publically. None of those who knew went around trying to bait you, either. In fact, you were left strictly alone.

quote:
Never was I pressed to reveal my identity : I decided to reveal it in the midst of apologies. Spontaneously.
Etc, etc. WebShaman does have HIS truth.

-snip-





I never said that you were "forced" to reveal anything. That is indeed the point. You did it, yourself.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Norway
Insane since: Jun 2002

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 11:03 Edit Quote

Tyberius Prime: Any opinion about my suggestion of putting the userId in the CLASS of the TRs so that people can shun who ever they want using CSS without adding much cruft to the Asylum ?

See here and there for a few more details. Note that the script is almost ready. I just need to wrap up the cookie thing. It'll be good to go this evening if the Mad Scis decide to go ahead with this "solution".

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 11:11 Edit Quote

Can we do a Temporary ban, TP? One that is set to a certain time limit, one based on the severity of the case in question?

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Tyberius Prime
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Germany
Insane since: Sep 2001

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 12:36 Edit Quote

poi: Trouble is, it's still a killfile - and no matter how technically simple, they shatter communities.

ws: Not in code - but easily in spirit. Any mad scientist can ban him - click his name, admin in the lower left, 'promotion' in the same
corner, choose 'blocked user' or 'normal user' and hit submit...


Argo: I do not wish to see you here for a few days. Go for a long walk while I read up on this burst of activity in the last few days.
Oh, and please find somebody who can serve as your advocate - I don't wish for you to talk your own head off.

argo navis
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Switzerland
Insane since: Jul 2007

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 14:12 Edit Quote

Tyberius : okay, in respect for you - much earned respect, even from an assumed asshole like me.

I kindly ask you to kick the photos. I am shivering from exhaustion, have worked the night through plus all this on my nerves,
but what happened this morning was beyond my wildest dreams - all my tariffs, everything, has been accepted with a resounding yes for the months to come
- this stuff works exponentially. Sell to one who likes the idea who sells to another... It's a chain : ignite, it starts, and when it catches, it doesn't seem
to want to stop.

I've gone as low as everyone here : I personally am sorry to you - decide whatever you want, it doesn't matter at all anymore.
But please remove the girls pictures and links, names - you are right. And thank you : they are truely wonderful persons in many regards
as well.

[FINAL EDIT - on the advocate thing]
TP, I do not want an advocate. I do not want to drag anyone who I like into my difficulties with the bunch : it is not fair.
If you want to hear my take in total politeness - because you are handling things with a distinctive wisdom, I'd like it to be a private exchange, icq in my profile -
which you can report back and treat as you please.

There will ALWAYS be someone to push my button, or try with all their might - with or without an intent,
I am starting to understand that I cannot make myself heard HERE as a consequence of events that sit in the past.
I cannot, with or without a smile, drop things like "I am going to make a fortune" - and have it make sense to anyone but me -
although it is happenning.

I wish I could phrase that for informational purposes - and help others follow a similar road minus the temper factor.

But here, something has been broken wayback and I cannot fix it. There will never be good vibing with apprehensions that thick,
and I can't sue the crowd for apprehensions they feel that deep.
[/EDIT]

(Edited by argo navis on 03-12-2008 15:06)

DL-44
Lunatic (VI) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 15:50 Edit Quote
quote:

Tyberius Prime said:

I consider the killfilles proposed by poi, while technically ingenious, to be harmful to the community in general.



I agree.
And I firmly believe that ignoring someone should be a conscious act based on the circumstances, not a button that is pressed that stops you from having to mentally filter the circumstances.

FWIW

quote:

Wes said:

a) highly self-indulgent panegyrics


And Wes gets a cookies for using such a lovely word

quote:

argo navis said:

I've gone as low as everyone here


Let's be honest here: you'ev gone much lower than most, and the only one to come close to going as low as you did so after being attacked by you when he wasn't even involved in the situation.
You've gone far lower than needed, and waaay beyond what is reasonable.

Again - do with that what you will, but it's the simple truth.

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 16:05 Edit Quote
quote:
There will ALWAYS be someone to push my button, or try with all their might - with or without an intent,
I am starting to understand that I cannot make myself heard HERE as a consequence of events that sit in the past.



Yes, of course you are the victim here.



Even you can't really believe that, can you?

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

argo navis
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Switzerland
Insane since: Jul 2007

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 17:07 Edit Quote

Webshaman : you're making me the sole agressor of 6000 persons. I don't know, sounds logical?
Likewise, you're making adults calling my mother, my girlfried, my past girlfriends, my job, bullshit - reasonable beings
and the cream of human behavior.

And DL is slapping the word honesty on top of that.

I can't believe that fairytale : I am glad you enjoy it as your reality. I REALLY am.
I just cannot wrap my head around this.

I am not making myself a victim, I am not making you anything else - what's said about you has been said wholeheartedly.
If I should speak such a sincere view anytime again, I would.

TP, I have no choice but the comp, no walk possible, I am sorry, but I can't watch this go on : for trackback, what started this very specific situation is THIS quote.

quote:

I also would like to point out that some advice can be negative even - like poi's desire to stroke a *right way* to do things as IF THERE WAS SUCH AN ABSOLUTE IDEAL.
The only "right" way, imho, is one that works as expected. Comments of that kind are both a helper, and a pain in the ass depending on how it is balanced :
I've been in IT for 10 years, poi is VERY FREQUENTLY recommending his way as the best.


In that thread : http://www.ozoneasylum.com/30033

And that is supposed to be about being arrogant.

So no, I am not a victim : as I said, I totally am on your side. Option 4. I live in Lausanne. I think you are absolutely right - I don't see
non punitive ways to handle a request like the one above. Looking back at the "All Mad Scis demoted" episode
and the "I slap a picture of my gun in one forum" rampage in another episode, I take all the blame - I AM responsible.

For daring to try to draw a limit between what I needed, and what I was receiving.

...

Being honest? This is about vengeance for many - not me. To me it is about urgency and a couple of words professed without empathy.
It will ALWAYS be about vengeance for people trained to expect the negative so much they look for it. Instinctively, simply.
So I simply see something that does not work because it's broken.

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 17:18 Edit Quote
quote:
Webshaman : you're making me the sole agressor of 6000 persons. I don't know, sounds logical?





Ermmm...no. Where you came up with that idea, is beyond me.

Where do you come up with this stuff?

And for the record, this is what you posted in that thread that set things off

quote:
Are just as useful to me as how many noodles you've had for supper yesterday. Screencaps, for example, make such feedback MUCH more useful.
bottom line - giving feedback should be about "how the other guy can USE it" to be constructive. How can I use your feeling, if I don't understand it?
It's sad because with some proper phrasing, it would help a lot. (for example, since I have updated the page about 5 times and republished before you posted, I am NOT even sure which version your are talking about
- let alone understanding how you FEEL about it from this distance).

Understand also that Doc's approach is completely different (he uses px positioned layers and absolute positionning afaik, as opposed to % in my case, and relative positionning) also.
The trade is clear and simple : easier to maintain in my case, but I get to have to deal with liquid design challenges.
The similarity stops in that they both are brown elastic menus.

I also would like to point out that some advice can be negative even - like poi's desire to stroke a *right way* to do things as IF THERE WAS SUCH AN ABSOLUTE IDEAL.
The only "right" way, imho, is one that works as expected. Comments of that kind are both a helper, and a pain in the ass depending on how it is balanced :
I've been in IT for 10 years, poi is VERY FREQUENTLY recommending his way as the best.

Not only he makes me feel like he looks down on me - thank God I do not take it personal, but the above "quick sample" he whacked together is not exactly impressive,
nor is it getting the job done. It's clearly 5 miles away of a usable widget in the context where I need it.
That's why I always seem to be rejecting poi's feedback firsthand : all respect where it is due, but..
ALL I GIVE A DAMN ABOUT HERE ARE DESKTOP/LAPTOP BROWSERS, THE MAIN AND MOST RECENT ONES, AND HAVING THINGS WORK RAPIDLY SO I CAN BUILD UP THE REST.


LI has turned out to be the most obsolete thing in this case - 0 benefit for some wasted time.
And the single timer approach, while correct if I wanted to spare resources for display on a C64, is adding more constraints than it is helping SO FAR.

These are among the reasons why I didn't ask for poi's example when he offered it.


Now please, all of you who genuinely want to help me, concentrate your efforts on the site reviews where another important website for my business is getting
a lifting. And since I am done with updating the elastic part of my menu, feedback is relevant from now on - but make it clear, I don't have the time so sort
between "feelings", "impressions", "emotions", a thing for web standards, and all other things that I can't derive facts from.



Normally, typing in bold represents shouting. Not only that, but you take it to personal levels here

quote:
Not only he makes me feel like he looks down on me - thank God I do not take it personal, but the above "quick sample" he whacked together is not exactly impressive,
nor is it getting the job done. It's clearly 5 miles away of a usable widget in the context where I need it.
That's why I always seem to be rejecting poi's feedback firsthand



You see, it was not necessary to supply this information.

At all.

If the information that Poi was supplying to you was not helpful, you of course do not have to take his advice or accept his help. In fact, you do not have to react to it at all - but YOU SAY (note that I am using the blocks here to raise it out of the block of text, not to shout)

quote:
Not only he makes me feel like he looks down on me - thank God I do not take it personal



This was totally unnecessary to post. If it is true that you do not take it personally (you change this later, where you then say it is indeed personal), then why bother posting it?

It is at this point that the thread began to canter.

Poi went on to explain himself

quote:
As for looking down on you. I'm not. However, I'm certainly more direct with you : because I know you can take it, and more importantly because I know you can do better.



Then Tao responded to your post - if you note the posting times, I do not think that Tao saw Poi's response to you (from above). Seeing the time that the posts were posted, I find it unlikely that Tao saw it before he posted. Thus, Tao's post was directly to your post, Ini, and did not take Poi's post into consideration as it was posted.

Then you really go off.

quote:
A simple question, no judgement : are you on alcohol? Just to know if it's worth an extended discussion about THIS right now - I don't remember you around
at the time of my very first post. I remember I was a Mad Sci working my ass off to answer hundreds of questions on the other hand.
So how exactly have I "deceived" or "tried to deceive" you? I suggest you do two things about that :
wait until the vapors go, and open another thread where the flames you want to bring won't mix with tech talk.



I think you misunderstood Tao here - I don't think he meant you as in Ini, but as Argo Navis. Otherwise, it would not make any sense. Obviously, as Argo Navis,

quote:
You have deceived or tried to deceive all of us from your very first post at the Asylum



Tao says this later in that thread, as well

quote:
It is you argo navis/InI who came back here after causing problems DEMANDING that all your threads be deleted or else you were going to sue. Came back here with another name pretending not to know InI, in a decietful and manipulative way,
If you think everone here can just forget that, you are wrong. It would have been better to be open and truthful in the first instance.



It is clear that you still consider yourself to be Ini, not Mauro_, not Argo Navis. It is crystal clear in your remark above. Strange is, you recommend exactly that which you should have done as well as Tao. It was the ideal thing to do at that point - to stop posting, sit back, and give it a rest.

I am not clearing Tao of his side of the flames, btw. He is just as guilty in the involvement. Tao later apologized, if you remember, for his negative participation in things.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles


(Edited by WebShaman on 03-12-2008 17:50)

Tyberius Prime
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Germany
Insane since: Sep 2001

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 17:22 Edit Quote

argo, I've blocked your account for a couple of days, since the temptation to keep on reading and posting seems to be to much right now.

I'll need a few days to get organized - both in real life and here. Everybode, stay tuned.

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Norway
Insane since: Jun 2002

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 17:57 Edit Quote

argo navis:

quote:
what started this very specific situation is THIS quote.

quote:
I also would like to point out that some advice can be negative even - like poi's desire to stroke a *right way* to do things as IF THERE WAS SUCH AN ABSOLUTE IDEAL.
The only "right" way, imho, is one that works as expected. Comments of that kind are both a helper, and a pain in the ass depending on how it is balanced :
I've been in IT for 10 years, poi is VERY FREQUENTLY recommending his way as the best.

In that thread : Elastic menu


Yeah, and the feedback, advices and answers I gave you were so off topic and out of this world that you went ballistic for days. Right. For someone who'se been "in IT for 10 years", the number of things you did wrong or ignored is sub par, even for a rushed job. This is were I expect more from you. I know you can do better. You proved to be a great front-end developer in the past, but somehow it feels like you did not keep up. Surely there is a logical explanation for that : namely other priorities. But you could have the humility to recognize where you are lacking and welcome other people's experience. Although I was "okay" back in the days, I would definitely not brag about my PHP skills, and would seek advice from people who practice it day and night.



(Edited by poi on 03-12-2008 18:09)

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 19:00 Edit Quote

TP, it would seem that he created a new persona - http://www.ozoneasylum.com/30033?offset=40

Argo.

Unfortunately, I cannot use the block function (it will not let me).

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

argo
Obsessive-Compulsive (I) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Mar 2008

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 19:10 Edit Quote

WS : so why didn't Tao tell me "turn the caps off, you sound like an angry chump" or something COOL, simply?
That's all I care to read coming from you - enough of that.

Sorry TP, I am on "machine mode". You can see why exactly in the elastic menus thread - I am routinely reading/typing/responding to many things all the time.
Going to bed for a couple of hours though.

Poi : of the four projects I started today, ALL customers have complained about the fact that their previous webdesign teams would
emphasize compatibility for one browser over another by design choices. As long as I have known you, you've always had difficulties
making all browsers happy for a given page - in spite of your talent. Or because of the way you approach things : academic. Let me explain.

Lists for menus do not matter to them. Some even called explicitely for FRAMES. I don't care, they pay my price, and they have opennings for other systems,
more complex and pricey, to be integrated. Eventhough I'll give it a clean whirl as much as possible - and while I have been humble when acknowledging
several times I needed to get back to js and html/css.

For these alimentary projects, understand I am wearing all the caps or almost. Project leader, developer, salesman,
I wish I could have a normal night of sleep. Stakes are incredible - I mean, the budget that landed on the table today.
Gosh. That? For frames? Well, guess what? The business owners are aging persons... with bags of money, but they are
accustomed to weird concepts. And it is being accustomed to that that makes them happy.

In the end, questionning the desires of the customers is not my problem. I can entice, satisfy, and that's it.

And in real software design : the web is known to evolve in a darwinian way - ponder that 1000 times.
http and html were originaly "flawed designs", but their inherent problems were their very strength.
Robust designs were not flexible enough to adapt to a monstruous technology like the internet.

So the "flawed" survived. It still holds true today with XHTML for one, and with anything web - if developped in a massive CHUNK, it is likely
to clutter evolution. So looking ten years ahead for what will be and what may be, while academic webdesign, is BAD software design.

When faced with THIS reality and sweating my ass off on it :

quote:

would seek advice from people who practice it day and night.



Academic advice? Won't work here and now and for that.

Btw, you have someone here who practices uml, c, cpp, java, all web technologies, sales, touches the branding and graphics, translations, and defines support
processes and services according to ITIL in addition. Day and night.

In that very thread, few posts before the "criminal posting", there is something strongly and politely enticing you to stop your posts
- I say EXPLICITELY I am on a deadline and incapable of catching up as you deliver. You know I am capable of better?

Once again, I know now you're not capable of getting OUT of an "I webdesign for Opera, focus on the technologies we want to see flourish" state of mind
these days. FINE by me, but no, thanks, just not yet. So yes, I sincerely feel it is about pride or ego for you, and yes, you totally "omitted"
to read that very warning or take into any consideration - ok, you were busy answering what you assumed I would want before acknowledging for real.

Which is not a crime but was useless and uncalled for in many ways.
"off to bed"

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Norway
Insane since: Jun 2002

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 19:34 Edit Quote

InI/Mauro/argo navis/argo/Alf: Do not confound "toys" and actual deliveries to customers / end users.

For toys I have no problem with [people] using whatever technology does the job and is interesting/fun to play with. Even if that means it only works in one browser. Any browser.

For actual deliveries, in my department we experiment a bit on our own to improve things in very specific areas, but we rely on proven best practices with accessibility and maintenability in mind.

What do you know exactly about my deliveries to customers / end users ? Nothing. I don't feel the need to lay out my resume every second post. Just know that you are not exactly spot on.


Good night.



(Edited by poi on 03-12-2008 19:39)

Arthurio
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: cell 3736
Insane since: Jul 2003

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 21:31 Edit Quote

hmm Argo ... get someone to help you ... seriously ... with all the work I mean ... if you go on like this you'll burn out ...

Tyberius Prime
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Germany
Insane since: Sep 2001

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 22:01 Edit Quote

and another username blocked for now.

Don't test my patience.

WarMage
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Rochester, New York, USA
Insane since: May 2000

IP logged posted posted 03-13-2008 03:06 Edit Quote

I for one have had a wonderful time reading this thread while skipping all of the InI posts. It was pretty easy, the name is the first thing you see when you visit a new post, just scroll down to the next breaking line.

As a sideways response to Wes' post about being very happy and fulfilled doing what he is doing I wanted to share a little of my own personal fulfillment. I have recently resigned from my previous employer and have switched careers to that of a Fire Fighter. It is pretty cool. I am in training right now and getting my ass kicked up ladders and through tunnels, but it is an experience I know I am never going to forget.

Makes you look at what success is in a very different way.

Don't worry about the small stuff unless that is what makes you happy. It seems like a lot of people are finding some kind of fulfillment in this thread, so keep at it. People wouldn't make all these long and time consuming posts unless they felt some kind of benefit in it.

So cool, keep at it, and don't over-use the ban stick.

Dan
Code Town | Zombie Head | How Much TP? | Feed The Blob

toast
Neurotic (0) Inmate
Newly admitted

From:
Insane since: Mar 2008

IP logged posted posted 03-13-2008 03:41 Edit Quote

@tp

quote:

So cool, keep at it, and don't over-use the ban stick.


Words of wisdom, not from me - what mage recommends is not lining up with the "punishment" you want to condemn,
simply. I recommend his way to handle it, but again, you are welcome to discussing this on ICQ and venting if you feel
my mere presence is too much for your to bear.

I said it : the way out is through, when all will be said and done, everything will lay flat on the ground instead of lurking in the closet
where it builds up towards explosion - caused by both parties involved. I am not willing to run away from this : I am no coward, never have been.

@everyone

quote:

Don't worry about the small stuff unless that is what makes you happy.


Words of wisdom. But there is THIS. And then there are the outer factors when THAT, to you, means switching from employee to employer
and involves huge efforts for some time.

@Arthurio

quote:

hmm Argo ... get someone to help you ... seriously ... with all the work I mean ... if you go on like this you'll burn out ...


Thanks. It was the point of tonight's meeting. Time management and balance are key, I lack the former skill - all this was never expected, but the credibility of www.epfl.ch set
things on fire. We're about ten persons involved now - but I am the only one who chose professional freedom, and one of the two heads. The "insider".
Just wallowing all this in at once... weee. But I am feeling good right now.

@poi

quote:

Well, guess what? The business owners are aging persons... with bags of money, but they are
accustomed to weird concepts. And it is being accustomed to that that makes them happy.


To me, my approach is about the customer being happy.
To you, the approach is about their users being ready for a "possible future" (maybe?).

I don't see either as something that can be condemned, I see validity in both approaches - I said it also, what I know from your work is what I know from your work.

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