From: A hallway near you - listening... Insane since: Feb 2001
posted 10-23-2009 18:02
Supreme Court now has OBAMA Citizenship
Snopes mentioned this in a short statement, but did not elaborate.
Now you know why he was so eager to get Sotomayer appointed!
AP WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group, Americans for Freedom of Information, has Released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College Released today.The transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school.
The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California.
The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program.
To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.
This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim.
The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama's legitimacy and qualification to serve as President..
When reached for comment in London, where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled, but refused comment on the issue.
Britain's Daily Mail also carried the story in a front-page article titled, Obama Eligibility Questioned, leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama's first official visit to the U.K.
In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama 's legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey.
This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as President.
Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama' s citizenship or qualification to serve as President.
Gary Kreep of the United States Justice  Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending.
This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records.
Mr.Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. Attorney General, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter.
Is this going to be yet another of your post and dash efforts? Never returning to answer questions to your outlandish claims.
You really should show your fellow asylumites the respect they show you by answering the questions and posts that result from your one post wonders.
Until then I am going to spend very little time on any of your posts, which is probably more time than you spend on them yourself.
From: The Land of one Headlight on. Insane since: May 2001
posted 10-23-2009 19:56
Thank you for your diligence Tao. I read the piece thought it was bs and started checking it but then just stopped, telling myself... it's just another pile of steaming shit from Al... no need to carrry on. but you are right of course.... can't let him or others go unchallenged.
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From: A hallway near you - listening... Insane since: Feb 2001
posted 10-24-2009 01:28
Once again prideful arrogance rules the asylum. I didn't make any outlandish claims, I merely passed on what is posted. Apparently you can't tell the difference. Whether it is true or not I wouldn't take from you or the site you linked as you would only provide what you agree with.
I don't care what you think of me and so I don't bother defending myself.
It's your right to not read as much as you want; your ignorance doesn't frighten me.
It does alarm me however, that because you think you know something, you won't seriously question it.
No jive-I assumed you liked your plates of shit steaming hot. My bad, next time you get it cold.
There, I responded to one of your flames. Feel better?
Whatever. Neither of you make any difference in my life whatsoever. But that's the plan isn't it?
"Prideful arrogance" rules the Asylum once again? I wonder how you have managed to come to that conclusion and use those exact words?
You say you did not make any outlandish claims, that you "merely passed on what is posted"!
For a person to pass on what is posted in other places the way you have here, one would assume you agreed with the original. You titled it "News for Disbelievers". Are you now saying that what you posted in this thread you don't believe?
Talking of outlandish claims how about this:
quote: Allewyn said
Look, let's just cut to the chase. I want all limits removed from from all behavior that pleases me.
I believe rapists, pedophiles, animal-lovers, etc. are all victims of ignorance, stupidity, and narrow mindedness.
Let's not limit equal rights to certain special interest groups.
Let's cut through all the bondage (except those interested) and extend equal rights to everyone under the law. That way when your sister is tortured and raped you will have to say, "They got a right!"
Even Christians. You haters need to lighten up.
Learn to love everyone and respect their rights.
This is what I would call outlandish.
As for Obama's birth heritage and his right to be president. Don't take my word for it or any site that I link to. Use your own critical faculties and search for the truth. How many sources do you need to have that will tell you that the story is fabricated. The group "Americans for Freedom of Information" does not exist .
quote: Allewyn said:
I don't care what you think of me and so I don't bother defending myself.
It's your right to not read as much as you want; your ignorance doesn't frighten me.
It does alarm me however, that because you think you know something, you won't seriously question it.
What are you talking about? The most I have asked from you is to have the good grace to stay around for a discussion that you yourself started. You did not do this for your two previous discussions.
You say "It's your right to not read as much as you want; your ignorance doesn't frighten me." Well I'm very happy that what you perceive as my ignorance, does not frighten you.
"It does alarm me however, that because you think you know something, you won't seriously question it". That just shows how little you know me. I always seriously question everything.
quote: Allewyn said:
There, I responded to one of your flames. Feel better?
Whatever. Neither of you make any difference in my life whatsoever. But that's the plan isn't it?
Allewyn I feel that it is you who's doing the flaming here.
"Neither of you make any difference in my life whatsoever. But that's the plan isn't it?"
I have no idea what you are going on about here. I have no plan for you or your life.
By your own admission you have started a discussion with a big dollop of material cut and pasted from another site. Presumably a site that has views with which you concur. Can you now see that material you posted is not accurate? In fact it is from a fictitious group "Americans for Freedom of Information" and was used in an email scam earlier this year? Can you see this?
From: The Happy Hunting Grounds... Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 10-24-2009 04:30
quote:FULL ANSWER
The claim is that Obama received a Fulbright scholarship for foreign students, proving that he is not a U.S. citizen and therefore not eligible to be president. Supposedly this was reported by The Associated Press. But the claim is false and the story is a hoax.
April Fake
We contacted The Associated Press just to confirm what should be obvious, that no such news story ever appeared on the news agency?s wires. Jack Stokes, the AP?s manager of media relations, gave us this statement:
AP: The story purported to be from The Associated Press on April 1 is fake.
Furthermore, the group that the fake story credits with gaining release of the supposed "smoking gun" documents is also a fake. Searches of news accounts and Internet sites showed no trace of any group called "Americans for Freedom of Information," until recently. On May 6 such a group did appear, but only as a joke to make fun of anyone who had fallen for the April Fools? Day gag. An anonymous blogger set up a site calling itself "Americans for Freedom of Information: We Do Not Exist." Its first entry begins:
"Americans for Freedom of Information" May 6: We are the Americans for Freedom of Information. We are a fictitious group of individuals; i.e. we do not exist. And yet, for a nonexistent organization we wield great power and knowledge! O Yea, Verily. OK, actually, not verily at all. Anti-verily, as a matter of an utter lack of fact.
Update: On May 11 an "Americans for Freedom of Information" Web site was registered to a woman in Hilton, N.Y. named Debra J.M. Smith. This site of course did not exist when on date of the fake AP story, and Smith told us she is not responsible for the claims it makes.
Where Truth Ends
Barack Obama
Barack Obama
Not all versions of this e-mail carry the telltale April 1 dateline, however. And more than a month after it first appeared we continue to get questions about whether it is true, and to see postings on conservative blogs that seem to accept its claims as fact. But not only is the message a hoax, its key claims are as false as they can be.
Among the few claims that are true in this message is that from fall 1979 through spring 1981 Obama attended Occidental College, a small (currently 1,825 students, according to its Web site) school in Los Angeles. After that he transferred to Columbia University in New York City to finish his undergraduate education. The photo here is from his application to Occidental.
It?s also true that Obama was on scholarship while at Occidental, according to articles in the Los Angeles Times and Boston Globe.
But that?s about where the truth ends. For those who might believe that even a fake news story quoting a nonexistent organization might still have some validity, we offer these facts:
No Fulbright: Contrary to what this e-mail claims, Obama?s scholarship wasn?t a Fulbright. It?s true that many foreign students come to the U.S. under the Fulbright program, sponsored by the United States Department of State?s Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs. But Fulbrights for foreign students are primarily intended for graduate students studying for masters? degrees or Ph.D. degrees, not for college freshmen and sophomores.
No "Soetoro": Another false claim is that Obama attended and received financial aid "under the name Barry Soetoro," using the surname of his Indonesian stepfather Lolo Soetoro. The college?s Director of Communications Jim Tranquada told us there?s no record of that. He told us in an e-mail:
Occidental spokesman Tranquada: Contemporary public documents, such as the 1979-80 freshman ?Lookbook? published at the beginning of President Obama?s first year at Occidental, list him as Barack Obama. All of the Occidental alumni I have spoken to from that era (1979-81) who knew him, knew him as Barry Obama.
No Records: It?s not even true that Occidental has released Obama?s student records, as claimed in the message. Nor have courts ordered any such records to be made public. According to the college spokesman:
Occidental spokesman Tranquada: To date, all of the litigation filed regarding President Obama?s student records at Occidental has been rejected by the courts. Occidental has not released his transcripts or his student file.
Furthermore there?s no trace of the supposed Daily Mail story headlined "Obama Eligibility Questioned," either on the newspaper?s Web site or in the Nexis database of stories published by the paper. The claim that the Supreme Court recently agreed to hear a case brought by Leo Donofrio is also false; the high court in fact refused to grant a hearing in that case back on Dec. 8, 2008.
There is a group called the "United States Justice Foundation," and it does list a Gary Kreep as its executive director. But we find no report of any study of Obama?s legal spending on its Web site, or any mention of turning information over to Attorney General Eric Holder. We?ve asked Kreep about this in an e-mail message, and will update this item should we receive a reply.
Update: May 28: Kreep responded simply: "It?s all a hoax."
Further research indicates that it is a chain letter hoax preying on Right Wing whackos.
Allewyn, why are you posting the contents of a chain letter on the Asylum?
I expect a serious answer from you. I normally only delete spam, but this is something that I consider worse than spam. It is a chain letter, it is demeaning, and it is wrong.
As a Mad Scientist, I would hope that you would at least take such into consideration when posting on the OzoneAsylum.
So you better have a damn good reason for posting such shit in the forum where I mod.
WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles
From: there...no..there..... Insane since: May 2001
posted 10-24-2009 15:49
I have a question for you Allewyn. If you live in the US, don't like the US, why are you still here? It's a free country. Leave. I get tired of these freakin right wing freaks making such outlandish and slanderous claims. It does nothing but divide.
quote:Allewyn: It does alarm me however, that because you think you know something, you won't seriously question it.
You are standing on a foundation of assumption and pure political disinformation, and yet at the same time you are accusing others of not seriously questioning their beliefs and conclusions? I sense some serious self-deception going on here, as is evident in your responses. You behave like a cornered rodent, protecting your house of cards with everything you have.
The question is, how long do you want to carry on this charade before you have an honest internal dialog and realize you are only lying to yourself? Drop the team mentality, drop the emotions, step back, empty your cup, and get objective. Drop whatever ideology you think you have, those are for fools, tools and chumps. If you are not adopting new opinions and shifting your old ones on a regular basis, you are not growing. If your house of cards gets knocked down, fucking rebuild. Over time you will learn to love it. You are essentially wading in a pool of your own mental sewage. It might feel good to believe you are right and are rooting rooting for the winning team, but the truth is, there are no teams and this is not a game.
Yeah, you're all about the impartial presentation of facts.
Further, I'm gonna skip the obvious flames accusing you of massaging quotations, of encouraging fanaticism, or of believing any shit-drop story posted on the internets (whoops, I put them in here anyway!), and go right ahead to the "let's change the subject, because stupid is really hard to beat with facts" phase.
Yeah, but fruit punch is lot nicer with a dash of something. I like a rum-based punch myself - the only time when I can really enjoy the coconut flavours in Bacardi, for instance.
From: The Happy Hunting Grounds... Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 10-26-2009 22:59
Ooooooo....spiked fruit punch!
Yeah bay-bee!
I like spodie mix - you got your obligatory red wine, fresh fruit (oranges, pinapple, etc) pieces in there, vodka, gin, baccardi rum, and of course the everclear.
Yup.
WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles
I've recently discovered that I love a Pimms based fruit punch. Found myself on a trampoline in a garden party during the summer after downing three or four glasses of "that lovely home made lemonade".
okay,
i would like to ask you all a simple question.
does it matter who the individual is,where he is from and what is his race and ethnic background?
as long as someone is doing a good job and providing for you than what the harm. not that i am saying that obama is alright but who ever it may be. does it really matter where he is from?
posted 10-23-2009 18:02
Paradigm shift in global thinking
