Topic awaiting preservation: past/forgotten web technologies..

Right now i am buiding my own website... but my design is screaming for content.
A few days ago i thought about those old web technolgies. What happend to them, where are they resting etc.
So i decided to make some sort off memorial page about old web technologies.
(you can find info on the new techologies at every corner already)

For instance what happend with html1 and html3? Ofcourse i am searching google on these things but if one off you boys and girls know some old/forgotten/unsuccesfull web technolgies let me know.
If you know about some examples it would even be better.
As a reward i will give you free acces to my:
"museum off the web" pages.... hehe.

"Freedom of speech is by no means freedom to insult others" from the Razorart goodbye letter.

VRML jumps to mind.

Found this... History of the Internet: http://www.davesite.com/webstation/net-history.shtml

Also the History of HTML: http://www.yourhtmlsource.com/starthere/historyofhtml.html



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How about MIDI's? They kinda died out after the MP3 came about.



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Rinswind 2th: I like the idea. There have been a number of cases of various standards developing, merging, doing odd things.

VML and PGML resulting in SVG (but VML still, nominally, being developed).

The very odd history of RSS

Where SGML fits in to it all

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How about MIDI's? They kinda died out after the MP3 came about.

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Shhh! Don't tell MIDI!

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Thank God...

sgml is the mother of html and xml..

vrml is being upgraded to be compatible with xml and will be known as x3d (instead of vrml3.0)... check www.web3d.org (keeper of the vrml technology) for more info .

What's more, SGML is still in wide use in the publishing/archiving field. SGML can't count as a "defunct web technology," since it never was one in the first place. It would be like calling hot-air balloons a "defunct airplane technology." Similar application (storage of text in computer-readable form), different emphasis.

mmm interesting reads. thanks wolfen.

another one:
the language used for making 'wap' pages (the cellphone web) yuk.
or smil for interactive content.

thanks for the links guys. keep 'm coming.

"Freedom of speech is by no means freedom to insult others" from the Razorart goodbye letter.

How about Java 1.0, it came out in 1995 and most if it is in Java terms deprecated. When you try to compile code that's that old it doesn't even compile.



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Oh and who can forget the old browsers, Mosaic, Netscape, and Hot Java....



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SGML can't count as a "defunct web technology,"

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but Rinswind said:

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old/forgotten/unsuccesfull web technolgies

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and it counts as an 'old'. I kind of thought it might be interesting to look at things from an evolutionary context - showing failed species, species that evolved into others that we still recognise today (PGML -> SVG) and species that have evolved many branches and variations (like SGML). Or pos. more accurately those Rock Star Family Trees

It is often difficult to track how things got here from where they were a while ago and how some things contributed to others before dying away, etc.

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You know, this post let me feel young

I only started coding HTML when it was the 4th version, and I don't know a word of vrml neither sgml.

PS: a bit out topic, but a friend of mine just said last week, after scratching his hair trying to validate a website as XHTML, that he prefered the old' time of HTML 2

Just a note, MIDI is not anywhere near dead. It has however gone back to being used what it's supposed to be used for (ie controlling digital musical instruments). It's not a sound format and never should have been used the way it was in the early days of the web.



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MiDi was killed by the crappy sound cards of the 90's .. I used to have my sound card game port plugged into a Kawai K1, and I can assure you that MiDi was great ... but ... VRML, Java 1, Mosaic, Lynx, "web enabled" MOOs ... ahhh .. the end is listless


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www.mudconnector.org =) and how about a lil somethin on BBSs?

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Hehehe, I'm making a website at the moment chock full of <embed>'s <bgsound>'s and Midi sounds. Bwah haa haa!

I actually managed to find a midi rendering of a Tom Waits song. It rocks! On the other hand I tried making a midi song myself using NoteWorthy and it sucked big time. No thanks, Midi composing is poo. I'll take a copy of Fruity Loops, ProTools Mbox and a decent hardware synth any day of week!

Anyways, some old stuff that comes to mind:

> The <blink> tag... *shudder*
> Wickedly animated 16 colour (system colour) gif's... Woohoo, they were too cool.
> The Doc... Lets face it, he's old, but even his early interface work rock'd da house.
> Netscape Navigator 2! Oh the days of glory with my 14.4 downloading doom .wad's left right and centre.
> mIRC without Colours! I wish they'd go back to plain old balck and white mIRC. Chatty people seem to have horrid colour tastes.
> Dodgy CGI chat rooms. Yup, they were just plain dodgy, man am I glad their dead.

Hehe, another fun thing to do would be to screen cap popular design sites and convert the screen caps to web colour safe GIF's. Could be good for a brief laugh.

~shaking due to a nostalgia-attack~

Err i like to thank everyone for all the input on this one. Wonderfull stuff.
But i want i to be more web-specific if possible.
So what am i looking for:
-Animated gifs = good
-Java = good
-SGML in relation to html= good
-Own = doubtfull (can't imagine anyone would use it on the net).
-TCP/IP =doubtfull (still in use an not really a web technologie)
-All languages used on the serverside = good
-C/C++ = not so good (although used in some cgi-scripts those langauges are not developed for the web or through the web)
-Gopher = Not good (an early internet technology but not a Web technology)
-IRC = Not Good (same as the above)


I use the clasic definition from the web.
Like this one on the w3c
and this one in the old boutell-faq.


"Freedom of speech is by no means freedom to insult others" from the Razorart goodbye letter.

[This message has been edited by Rinswind 2th (edited 03-26-2003).]