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OK, this is the second time this has come up at work and I can't believe it's even an argument. (More accurately, I can't believe I'm the only one on my side on this.)

I say pirates say, "Arrr!"

Everyone else here at the station seems to think pirates say, "Arrgh!"

I have not once in my life heard a pirate character say, "Arrgh!" Listen to the sea captain on the Simpsons, for example. (Not a pirate exactly, but the same genre.)

A quick Google search for "pirates say" comes up with a lot of "Arrr," (or "Rrrr," which I believe the writers intend to be pronounced the same way) and very little "Arrgh."

It especially annoyed me when someone made a joke about a movie being rated "Arrgh." That doesn't even make sense. Arrr!

What do you think?

Pirates definitely say "Arrrr!"

I've never heard one say "Arrgh!" That's just silly.

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Its Arr (with as many 'r's as the situation requires) - plain and simple, no messing around, no arguements, end of story.

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Emps

FAQs: Emperor

You know, I must admit that I never really thought all that much about this, but hearing your argument I guess I would have to agree with you. Especially if the "gh" in "Aaarrgh" is pronounced. Honestly, I've never pronounced the "gh," so it never really made that much of a difference to me.

And, for what it's worth, I doubt that actual pirates were overly fond of either of the options.

And as it is coming up soon the 'International Talk Like a Pirate Day' sites have some good guides:
http://talklikeapirate.com/howto.html
http://www.thomasscott.net/yarr/talk.html

By the way its September the 19th this year.

[edit: It appaers that Yarrr is also an acceptable variation of Arrr - but Arrrgh....... get out of town]

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Emps

FAQs: Emperor

Pirates come from all sorts of different countries.
Look at the differences between the King's English and American English.
Hell, even within a a single country a lot of differences can be found.
Ever heard of a southern drawl?
"Watch ya'll doin'?"
Why not different dialects or pronounciations for pirates?

I thought it was the Queen's English... oh well.

Personally, I'm all for the silent "gh." Less fighting that way.

Emps -- great links. And I forgot about the "yarr" variation. That to me, is perfectly acceptable, and would go along with warjournal's dialect argument.

"Arrgh," however, still sounds to me like a pain response. Or an expression of annoyance. Or something a monster says. But not a pirate!

As for the silent "gh," the people around here aren't spelling it, they're saying it. They're adding the G sound. In fact, someone just did it again! It's bugging the hell out of me! Arrgh!

i guess if you asked a pirate if he wanted a glass of grog he'd answer .. "oooh aaarrr" ... but if you stuck him with a sword he's probably say "AAAARRRRGHHHH!!" ....

It's supposed to be "West Country" talk - Devon, Cornwall etc. which is (portsmouth for example) where a vast number of seamen (and hence pirates) came from, and it was popularised as "pirate talk" by Charles Laughton in his version of Long John Silver. However, just as many privateers on the British and French coats were, in fact, the lawless Manxmen ... who talked a totally different way, more a cross between Manchester, Belfast and Glasgow with a lot of duty-free rum sloshed in for good measure, and who also had a real language all their own which was akin to Gaelic, Celtic, Breton and Basque.


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[This message has been edited by trib (edited 07-09-2003).]

I have to say I think Arrrr is more appropriate but while sitting here in my cube I can make it work with a very soft g in there.


hmm.... funny looks from coworkers



.:[ Never resist a perfect moment ]:.

Ah, well, if the "gh" is pronounced, then I'd definitely have to vote against that. Although I think trib may have the best response in this thread so far.

Well trib states it clearly, which almost takes all teh fun out of the discussion

All I can add is that Arrrgh is possibly an Americanism and hence is clearly inferior to to Arrr being the original Pirate term.

As to weather it's Queens English or Kings english, well at the moment it's definitely the Queens, but back in the days it was quite definitely the Kings.

Arrr Matey.

Blaise

Arrgh! = Onomatopoeic expression of a groan.

Arrr! = Happy/angry/excited pirate.


Speaking of pirates...
Pirates of the Caribbean was a pretty good flick.

~sheesh~ Don`t you people know any Pirates ?

First Mate : " Trouble at home again wit da missus, eh ?"
Capt. : " Yarrrr"
First Mate : " Down to the Inn for a grog, then ?"
Capt. " Arrr"
First Mate : " Aye, time a go `ome itis"
Capt. : " Arrrrghh "

I thought 'Pirates of the Carribean' was a ride at Disney World. Or maybe I'm confused...

Man, it would be so neat to go to Disney World right about now...

Speaking of which, I just saw the movie last night and must firmly recommend it. Johnny Depp as the slightly-insane Captain Jack Sparrow; the special effects and gruesome humor on the zombie pirates; the swordfights and nautical duesl; excellent stuff.

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it is suho, you're not confused. its just also a new feature film, along with a variety of other comic heroes and novelizations this summer as we've apparently come to the end of all fresh ideas

i do want to check out the film tho, it looks fun. prob this weekend...

chris


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I too, have seen the movie and highly recommend it. Did anyone else see the preview for Haunted Mansion by chance? Is Disney making a movie for all of their interesting theme rides?

Haunted Mansion looks funny at any rate.

Checks list
Next movie... League of Extraordinary Gentlemen

Oh... and ARRRRRR! You scurvy dog!



[This message has been edited by GrythusDraconis (edited 07-10-2003).]

ooh, yeah, i do want to see LXG. and finding nemo again

chris


KAIROSinteractive

Speaking of Disney rides... Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom. Free, not too long, good read. One of those "believable future" doohickeys.

edit: I looked up "thingamabob" on dictionary.com and the definition was "a thingamajig." Subtle humor?

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[This message has been edited by Perfect Thunder (edited 07-10-2003).]

The only time a pirate would say Aaaarg! is if he put a cutlass through his foot. Then it would be Aaargh! *thud* Aaaargh! *thud* AAAAAARGH! *thud* as he hopped around on one foot.

How frivolous and insignificant this place has become.

~shakes head and wonders off, beyond the horizon~

Fig: Ah, thank you for the information. There's a slight lag in the time it takes movies to reach Korean theatres, unless they're really big ones (like Star Wars or LOTR).

[This message has been edited by Suho1004 (edited 07-11-2003).]

"Arrr".

Maybe they say "Arrgh" in bizarro world.

quote:

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How frivolous and insignificant this place has become.

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Taking the time to prove that, despite the fact no one at work agrees with me, I am not insane when it comes to these matters.

Arrr! Arrrrrrrrrrrr!

It's are, as in "Are you ready kids..."

Me Again?

Goddamnit, Wes!!

I agree with you- but no other soul that I know does...

Fucking bastards! Don't they know they're all wrong??

*heads off to argue with more frienads and family members*

Has anyone else's life been truely affected by this (it's stupid, I know)?


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Yeah, I think Pirates say "Arrr" pretty much than "Arrgh"...I think "arrgh" is for another thing.

and to top it all off -
http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/10/sprj.cas03.wkd.piratemovies.ap/index.html

Even CCN fucks it up....

Ugh!

a propos lag... that movies's due the 4th of September in Germany!.

to which I say he came, he saw, he lagged out

quote:

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GASP! It's the legendary Black Beast of Arrrgh!

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~~ wonders why that big pirate with white long beared was shouting "HoHoHo" ~~

Funny related story -

We (me, my girlfriend, the two girls (both 9yrs old) went to see Pirates of the Carribean this weekend.

As we were pulling in, my stepdaughter says to us, "this movie should be rated Arrrrrrr!"

The children always know best. Arrr!

I haven't bothered to read what anyone said here, but I went and saw PotC opening night and loved it. I then went and saw it Saturday and Sunday with two separate groups of friends. I think it's the movie of the summer. Nothing I've seen yet, nor anything I expect in the near future, is better than it.

saw it sat night, really just a fun fun movie. johnny depp is brilliant and steals the show. definitely a must-see.

chris


KAIROSinteractive

Saw this on BBSpot, thought it might be pertinent to the discussion at hand...

Pirate keyboard

Hahaha!

(Almost missed the upper-left button.)

LOL - good stuff although personally I think this is a more serious issue:
http://bbspot.com/News/2003/07/babylon_5.html

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Emps

FAQs: Emperor

Oh my.....

Lions and tigers and bears...

i think pirates say HARRRRRRR...with an H

elysiumart

I wish I didn't click on that emps...

yannah - as much as i've loved babylon5 - that whole discussion must be taken as "tongue-in-cheek". Lord of the Rings was originally published in 1955.. whereas babylon5 is only a few years old..

I knew that...I really did.