Preserved Topic: Pugzly Needs Your Help Desperately!

All of Pugzly?s computers have been seized, and felony charges are most likely on their way. This is in response to a CIVIL dispute with a client (as mentioned here: http://www.ozoneasylum.com/Forum5/HTML/000240.html)
Pugzly has temporarily lost ability to email or do much else. Will you help us with a legal defense fund? Please. I will set something up for donations. I would greatly appreciate your help. Emperor ? please cross post this message to Gurus Network . I don?t have the technical brilliance of Pugzly, so I have to research some of this in order to know how to set up a fund. This case may impact all who design and host websites. I will keep you posted. Please help my Pugzly. You can send email to Pugzly at my email address. You are also invited to send your thoughts on this travesty to sheriff@macomb-sheriff.com.
Thank you and God Bless You All.


[This message has been edited by Mrs. Pugzly (edited 01-27-2004).]

[edit by mr.maX]Fixing link to the other topic.[/edit]

[This message has been edited by mr.maX (edited 01-27-2004).]

Thanks, Dear.

This really sucks, and the above is from my wife. I'm staying low (offline) for a while.

Clients should note that sites are still online - only the office machines were taken.

(sorry, this was originally posted in Outpatient Counseling)

Oh fuck man, that seriously blows.

If you can get something set up I'd make a contribution for sure.

Keep us informed.

Edit: Oh, and don't forget to countersue once you're vindicated.

:::11oh1:::

[This message has been edited by krets (edited 01-27-2004).]

Mrs. Pugzly: OK I've posted it at the GN:
http://development.gurusnetwork.com/discussion/thread/2452/

As I said in my email yesterday if there is anything that needs doing while online access is limited let me know.

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that's just shockin! i can't believe they did that....or that they could do that!
i'll be more than happy to help out in any way i can.

best of luck to you pugzly!

That seriously sucks.

If you set something up I'll gladely contribute something. If you need any other kind of help just send a mail or msg through icq, and I'll help as much as possible.

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I'd be interested in hearing more of the details of what's going on. You should consider setting up a web page which explains the situation and provides an easy way to donate, and see if you can possibly get it linked from zeldman.com or some other site which web designers who would want to support you would see. I'd be interested in donating something, but again I'd like to hear the details first.

Slime: This thread explains quite a bit of the background:
http://www.ozoneasylum.com/Forum5/HTML/000240.html

But yes it is very serious and we do need to put the word out - however, we also need to be careful about the legal situation.

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man this is crazy. i can't beleive that they could actually "seize" anything in this situation.....boggles my mind.

get the donation thing going and I will contribute what i can.

this is really shocking. bummer that all this is happening. first the GN thing and now this.


Later,

C:\


~Binary is best~

The computers have been seized *before* the felony charges?

I feel with both of you, and hope you get ouf of this pretty soon.
My best wishes, and I hope you get a decent lawyer.

so long,
TP

Having a non-paying client confiscate the tools you use to do business seems more than a bit extreme. Depending on the details of the backstory I could see some web backlash against this kind of fascism.

I just read the other thread for background info. Pugz, I am so sorry you are having to deal with this crap! Please keep us posted on how we can be of any help.

I'm sitting here with my jaw hanging open. What a nightmare. A situation where absolutely no one wins and everyone comes out worse for it.

I'm sending you moral support. If later you need help with character references or currency let me know.

Damn Damn damn is what i would say if someone did this to me...
Maybe the people who learned more about law could help with some aid (shizzzam?).
Now i go back to read about the background.

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Piet Mondriaan

holy moly, hang in there man. Jaw dropper for sure.

That's unbelievable, just so wrong.... I wish you the best of luck and that it turns out as well as it can.

I'm sorry to hear of your woes Pugzly. Once something is set up I will donate what I can.
Best wishes.

:::tao:::

i am sorry to hear that :-(
i have read the other thread too, but i still didnt figure out WHY your computers have been seized? if i understood it correctly, the other company did something wrong, not you???? so why do they seize your comps?
maybe i just understood the whole thing a bit wrong

i wish you all the best and good luck

Wow pugz, that sucks. Please keep us posted. I might be able to scrounge up a few bucks to help you out.

I would ask that people don't fire off angry emails as this is quite a nasty legal situation and we don't want to make things worse - we'll sort out the relevant information and pos. get a form letter together so we can do this in as effective manner as possible.

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^^ what he said

i was going to mention that but forgot to.....good point.

sometimes during situations like this we kind of fire off at the hip

Later,

C:\


~Binary is best~

That really sucks.
OK, I dunno how to make a donation, where should I go.

Felony charges, siezing computers? For a civil dispute? Damn, makes me love this business even more. I am all for chipping in and will wait for the details on how to do so.

Makes you realize how under-appreciated web people are.

Ramasax

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Here is a link that i found with the sheriff's view on the issue.

http://www.detnews.com/2004/macomb/0401/06/d05-28132.htm

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Hackel said it?s important to stay on the Internet because a site allows the department to post things like sex offender lists and employment opportunities.

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Unless he's being mis-quoted by a clueless nitwit journalist, he comes off sounding like a clueless nitwit. The technologies Pat (minimized as a mere web "designer" by the local press) developed for that fine web site took it far beyond a virtual post office bulletin board. Is it possible Sheriff Hackel was the only one who didn't realize or appreciate that? Evidently, since his biggest whine seems to be the cost of reprinting letterhead. He'll have a new site up soon - yeah, right. The damage to the department will go far beyond having to repaint cars and reprint business cards.

I must say the way this situation is being handled by the sheriff's office doesn't inspire much confidence in professional law enforcement department administrators, does it?

It would appear that the Peter Principle is obsolete - the bar has now been lowered to the Hackel Principle.

Sad. The man obviously didn't have a clue what he had. One of the finest, most innovative sites of its kind, and he's managed to piss it away.

I never saw the site you made so I don't know what exactly was lost. But their "new" site makes me sick on so many levels. Have you contacted Bill O'Reilly? He seems to know how to get stuff done.

Edit: Along those lines, as the people who actually know what goes on behind such things, and I refer mainly to the others here who actually do understand the business and technologies (not me), what can be done to actually inform the public as to the true nature of projects like this? Because it is possible for just about anyone to grab a copy of F***P**e a put up a website, no matter how incompotently done, I get the impression that people don't think it is all that much work. (This is evidenced by the statement on the new website: ". . .the new and improved website for the Macomb County Sheriff's Office. This site promises to be much more dashing than the old site!!)



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I've been out for a few days and way just now brought up to speed. I guess I'm still in a state of shock and can do nothing but stare at my computer with my jaw hung open..

This is the stuff you guys brought up and some other stuff I googled.. in no particular order..
Ozone Asylum - Pugzly Needs Your Help Desperately!
Ozone Asylum - What to do?
Guru Gab - Pugzly's problems
Det News - Macomb sheriff opens new Web site after dispute
Det News - Crime-fighting goes online
Macomb County Sheriff's Office
Macomb County Sheriff's Office - Contact Information Page
Psychotria Nervosa: The demise of macombsheriff.com
The Macomb Daily - Macombsheriff.com lives no more
The WayBack Machine - MacombSheriff.com
USA Cops - Macomb County Sheriff's Office
RunningWolf
Macomb County Sheriff?s site wins NACO award

Good Luck, Pugz.. I'm sure I speak for all of us when I type that your expertise, generosity, and sheer good-heartedness have made this place and the GN suchtowering pedestals. We're all with you, just ask...

He and the local media obviously have *no* idea what they had in that site, or in the free web-hosting.

I have often been blown away by the extensive back-end work that was done for that site, as well as the clean, strong front-end design.

The new "site" is a total joke and I can only assume it's not going to get much better...

This guy's attitude is completely unacceptable for someone in his position - completely childlish and altogether unprofessional.

Let me also reiterate though - please don't anyone succumb to the urge to send off emails or guestbook entries lashing out about this. Wait for Pugzly to make his intentions and desires clear before acting.

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

I just took a look at the new site. I am simply sitting here in disbelief. I'm ready and willing to offer support as things progress. Hang in there, Pugz!

At least for the time being, you can take some comfort in the fact that the new site (macomb-sheriff.com)proves that you usually get what you pay for.

<sarcasm>
Of course we all know that there is nothing to building a site....you just take a Word document, add a few animated gifs, underline text that is not a hyperlink, pick any old pattern and tile it for a background. Now just click ' Export as HTML' and there you go....instant Web-site.
</sarcasm>

Of course, Karma being what it is, some folks get exactly the site they deserve.

/* Sure, go ahead and code in your fancy IDE. Just remember: it's all fun and games until someone puts an $i out */

To all of you wonderful friends of Pugzly -- thank you. Your responses have uplifted my mood and hope. It is mind boggling how those who should know better let their baser emotions get in the way. The Emperor has no clothes and the inner circle doesn't have the "equipment" to tell him. Can?t say too much more at this point . . . I?m sure you understand. Your outpouring of support, encouragement and offers of donations are appreciated more than you will ever know. When I?m able to say more, I will. You?ve given me the best possible gift right now . . . hope. God Bless You All. I will keep in touch.

*bows* There's alot we would do for a friend like Pugzly

Mrs Pugzly:

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The Emperor has no clothes and the inner circle doesn't have the "equipment" to tell him.

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All I can say is that I have a large wardrobe full of robes and I've even been known to wear undergarments.

Also from InI:

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Petskull, carefull with those links!!!

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Yep - I haven't been posting links as no one wants an already serious problem getting out of hand. I see a couple of us have posted over on that blog but could we leave it there until Pugz has made a more comprehensive public statement?

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I have been following the post at work.

Sad to say, that it confirms my beliefs " The more you give and the harder you try the bigger kick in the ..... you get"

Anything I can help with - I glady will.

sib

I am a bit overwhelmed by all of this. From the information presented I can not get a clear picture of what is actually occurring at all. Is there anyone who is on the ground floor of this (i.e. Living near Pugzly) who can shed further light on what is going on?

It does seem very awful from what has been stated, but as everyone else I must stress prudence. This is not an issue which should be approached with cavalier, it must be carefully looked at from all angles, and the plan of attach must be formulated in such a way as those who act will be acting in unison toward a definite planned goal.

-Dan-

After reading all the information available about the issue, not being a guy that knows better one side or the other side, all I can say is that I can't tell who's right, who's wrong.

Emperor, I certainly did not mean you by my reference to the fabled character. I do apologize for any mix-up. I was referring to the Emperor of the fable and his chamberlains. You remember the story of The Emperor?s New Clothes are actually nothing at all, and his chamberlains don?t have the courage to tell him. They don?t tell him he?s naked, and so he proceeds to parade through the town. Remember? Maybe it was a bad analogy. Again, my apologies!

LOL - sorry Mrs P I was just being daft

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'My little commando'

*snicker*


Code - CGI - links - DHTML - Javascript - Perl - programming - Magic - http://www.twistedport.com
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I am with Viol on this.
Can someone post an independed assesment of what has happened?

We have very little concrete information to form an opinion besides a lot of emotive language
unsubstantiated with evidence from one party.
What is the URL of the site in question?
If your are receiving legal advice, sue your lawyer, he should not have allowed your PCs to be confiscated.

Besides, without knowing anything more about the site, and with all due respect
what the heck were you thinking creating a large site for a commercial enterprise (or at least for someone
with enough $ to hire lawyers) and not ask for any payment?
There is a reason we have contract law, and circumstances like this is precisely why.


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"The future is not written in stone.
It is written day by day,
What are you writing today?"
http://wulfius-khan.deviantart.com/
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/wulfius/

Wulfius: You yourself have admitted you don't know hwat's going on...so don't venture an opinion or tell someone what they should be doing until you do...ok?

It's just a waiting game at this point. We have to see what happens next before we can anything else.

And it's not about not getting paid. It's about refusing to just 'give' things away without payment. It's a civil matter (at best) and nothing else.

We're very gratefull for the kind comments and concerns. We're trying to stay positive. God Bless You All!

Just wanted to jump in and say there has been nothing new. We're still waiting. I appreciate all of the comments - here, at GN, and elsewhere. I'm anxious to tell my story. When the time comes......

dude give us an address to send checks or set up a pay pal account and I'm contributing. Things will work out man- just hang in there.

As soon as we need to solicit funds, we'll give out the information. The PayPal account has been created. Right now, it's a waiting game, and we're forumlating a strategy. We'd appreciate any comments or ideas, and we'll promptly post information here as soon as the attorney gives the word.

Again, we're very happy to see the support from the folks both here and at Gurus Network. It will not be forgotten!

God Bless You All!

By the way: I've made my email address available. Please feel free to send words of support for my Pugzly to me, and I'll happily forward them.

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Pugz .. I know it's been awhile .. but Emps just informed me of this situation .. it's tragic to think of the situation you have been put into .. it sounds to me that you are at their mercy .. I would only suggest you be sure to have a lawyer outside of your city limits if anything outside your county limits that is reviewing and supporting your case .. then again it sounds me as though your dealing with the local authorities .. I pray you had copies of everything before they seized your computers

I'll be sure to keep updated on this and give my insite when and where possible .. support is your strongest ally .. and you SURELY have mine!

Looks like I'm going to be charged. More to follow.

a friend of mine suggested that its not a good idea to discuss these matters on a public forum, since it gives the opposing side an advantage, possibly in knowing what your defense tactics will be.

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Looks like I'm going to be charged.

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wow......that sucks

Later,

C:\


~Binary is best~

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a friend of mine suggested that its not a good idea to discuss these matters on a public forum, since it gives the opposing side an advantage, possibly in knowing what your defense tactics will be.

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I'm guessing that's why he hasn't said anything

Pugz, you scalawag, shame on you. Volunteers shall be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Looks like charges are pending.

For those interested in contributing to the defense fund, you can PayPal to claudiamac@yahoo.com. We'll keep track of everything donated, and will return any unused amount.

We thank you for your words of support, as well as any contributions. More info will come out as we get it in the next couple of days.

I should have also mentioned that I do have access to my email again. Not the way it should be, but I can send/receive.

I promise to release information as soon as I can. Can't tip the hat right now, and until I know the full extent of the charges, can't finalize the strategy. I hope everyone can understand.

In the mean time, my precious wife is handling fund-raising & public awareness. Please contact her with questions/contributions/ideas.

Thanks for all of the kind words and support so far. We will prevail through this injustice!

hang in there pugz, we're all behind you man. and i'll definitely donate when i can...

chris


KAIROSinteractive

Thanks. The attorney still says I can't say much until after the arraignment, when we'll know what we're up against. I'm really looking forward to telling my story.

I applaud all of those who've contacted me and my wife offering to help. It's good to see that people are willing to help....

Butcher reminds me that not everyone might know what's involved when donating via PayPal....

For the person who's never used it, here's the .5 description
1. Go to http://www.paypal.com/ and setup a new account.
2. Tie your account to one or more methods of funding (credit card, bank account, etc).
3. Choose the option to SEND MONEY, and insert the email address of the recipients PayPal account along with the amount you'd like to send.
4. Follow the prompt to send the money.

You get a detailed list of account activity, and the recipient gets a notification of the funds.

Why use PayPal?
1. It's secure
2. It's convenient
3. It's free (to send money - you pay a percentage to receive money)

I've used PayPal for several years for a lot of online transactions (mainly ebay stuff). I've also got clients who pay for hosting via PayPal, and it works really well.

For those who'd like to send checks/money orders, please contact my wife offline for information.

Again, the wife is keeping very detailed records of the donations. All unused amounts donated for the CRIMINAL trial will be returned (I think we'll take the unused amount, divide it into equal portions for each donator, and refund like that). We expect it to cost up to $10,000 for legal defense in this issue.

OK we are seeking testimonials to Pugzly's character to things out after the rather negative image potrayed so far in the media.

If you could keep it to a sentence or two and then send it to mobrul (or Q me with them and I'll pass them on). Include the name you' like to be known as (your online nickname is fine) and you are passing them on with the understanding that they may be circulated at some point (probably not them all but a representative sample).

Thanks in advance but don't feel like you have to.

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And just to keep things ultra-convenient...

mobrul@hotmail.com

thank you

mobrul: Cheers - I've dropped it in the GN too.

I have a couple already and I'll throw them over to you tomorrow.

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The Emperor dot org

bumpity bump bump

Four so far say Pat's not a chump.
How many more will jump on the stump
to say, "Pat is outstanding --
not a grump, frump or slump!"?

bumpity bump bump
Before the judge's gavel goes thumpity thump thump

I added mine.

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finally: www.rinswind.nl

hahaaaaaaa, who's the new dad?! Little Cat in the Hat action there, very nice.

Would you could you please help Pugz, defend his character 'gainst slanderous thugz?

heh, I suck.

Ohhh, don't be so hard on yourself. You don't suck...you just need a little more practice.

It helps I have a little one.
that is the truth,
but really I've been trained
since I was a youth.

My mom - preschool teacher
since before my first tooth.
Rhymes fly from my mouth
like Clark Kent from a phone booth.

Now back to the story
Pugz needs our help bad.
To our list of endorsments
your name I must add.

It matters not if you're a dad,
clad in plaid,
or a rad college grad
embracing the fad.

If you stand for justice
and the American way,
you'll write an endorsement
and you'll do it today.

bump

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Pug's last post was posted 02-14-2004 03:46 PM...anyone know what the latest news is on this?


[This message has been edited by Boudga (edited 02-27-2004).]

Yes - keep an eye out for updates anytime soon

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bump^

Hell, this is bad. This is very bad.

*boot kick to the bump!!*

Good bump but unneccesary

OK things we are now going full ahead with things and turning things up a notch:

The Justice 4 Pat Richard Campaign

Presented by People for the Ethical Treatment of Web Designers

Due to a bit of leaking things have had to be brought forward a bit so bear with us while we put the final polish on things (so no 'hey this is missing' as we probably already know and we are working on it ) but I didn't want everyone finding the link from another site.

The next phase is publicity - Skaarjj and PetSkull have volunteered to act as our 'street team' and they will be drawing up a list of good places to drop this link in. Some from the site team will contact the big names (Register, NTK, Zeldman, etc.) but we will be looking for members of web design forums to offer to post their (to avoid accusations of spamming) and then the 'street team' will pass the links around further. I suspect if we can hit the important blogs and news servcies that the news will spread rapidly and word of mouth will do the rest but it doesn't hurt to get a bit of planning done.

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We could link to it from our own sites, that way it's not spamming but google will pick it up eventually, right?
Is putting a link in your sig at different sites a bad idea?
Just to get the link on the net?

If needed i will explain this to people in dutch oriented countries, this might be a good idea for others who speak a non-english native language. Spread the word.

Petskull Skaarjj if you need some help let me know by mail ok?


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Pugzly needs you help!

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Oh no! Webmonkey and now Guru's network!



- Biggie

- Face the Present
- AIM: MASKKKK

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I think perhaps you are a bit confused on the topic at hand....

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We could link to it from our own sites, that way it's not spamming but google will pick it up eventually, right?
Is putting a link in your sig at different sites a bad idea?
Just to get the link on the net?

If needed i will explain this to people in dutch oriented countries, this might be a good idea for others who speak a non-english native language. Spread the word.

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Good ideas - feel free to link in form your own site (I am) and as long as you aren't ramming it down people's throats then I can't see the harm in adding a link to the site from your sib (like you have above really).

And it would be handy if we had people availabel to cover things in different languages. We'll need to speak to mobrul but perhaps it might be handy to have some translations of the press release.

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If translations are needed let me know ...

sib

I'm not entirely sure if its been brought up yet, but has anyone contacted the local government yet? Macomb County has a different set up then my county government but it would be well worth drafting a form letter to the 26 commissioners.

I'd be very willing to draft a form letter and mailing it out to each office although I want to get approval from either Emp or Mrs. Pugzly. Of course I'd post my letter here for everyone to see before mailing it.

Jestah

And don't forget master Suho as well, he can do 2 or 3 asian langauges quite well as I recall, and I beleive Perfect Thunder has a friend who is fluent in a great deal of languages, specialising in the hispanics (spanish, porugeuse, etc). There are enough connections here that we could have this site translated into any number of different languages and get it out to the whole world.

Also, are we planning on having any kind of co-ordinated google bombing of this site to get it's pagerank up there so it shows up high in the results?

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Just a thought:

Wouldn't this be something that EFF would take an interest in?

Well done on http://justice4pat.com/ it's really good looking and to the point!
Button + some text is up on my site.
Still thinking about my testimony.
/Dan

{cell 260}
-{ a vibration is a movement that doesn't know which way to go }-

If you need it translated either to Norwegian or Swedish I could lend a hand. I might also be able to get a couple of slavic (Polish, Serbian) translations if needed...

Link + text will come up on my page later on today.
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OK thanks for the offers - we'll put our heads together and get back to you on this asap.

Also if people want to link to the site then use this test link:

<a href="http://www.justice4pat.com">Justice For Pat Richard</a>

or the button here:
http://www.justice4pat.com/links/#link_to_us

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The Emperor dot org

To show support for Pugzly, I'd like to add a new section to the website...a new section you all can help with.

Take a picture of the words "Justice 4 Pat". It can be anything. It can be a bunch of people holding a sign, somebody wearing a T-shirt, peeing the words in the snow, writing them on the back of a dirty truck...whatever you want.
(Well, I'd be happy to look at the blatant pornography, but don't count on it actually making it to the site...)

Be creative and spread the word. I'll accept pictures from anybody.

So, take this picture, and either send me a nice jpeg or a link. If you want credit, include your name and address (physical or email or both)

send them to mobrul@hotmail.com

That's it. Happy shooting!

Justice 4 Pat Richard Campaign

[edit: fat fingers]
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Edit: You don't need the quotes around the url - Jestah

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Wow, this really sucks. Just to let everyone know, I am in Oakland County (Michigan) about 15-20 or so miles from Macomb County. Any [lawful] legwork you guys may need, lemme know!

The story has reached slashdot:
http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/05/0314219&mode=thread

As they are only going from the one news report initial comments are entirely positive but thats why we put the site together

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Wow. I just read a bunch of those posts on slashdot. People raise alot of good points from both sides. Maybe Pugs oughta have his lawyer read all of those posts to cover all angles.

Yes, I was reading them too, some hours ago, and the pace of postings was greater than my capacity to read them all.

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jive:

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Wow. I just read a bunch of those posts on slashdot. People raise alot of good points from both sides. Maybe Pugs oughta have his lawyer read all of those posts to cover all angles.

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Trust me we are working on it but with the legal situation we have to be careful what we say.

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I haven't been to the site in a few days -- Wow -- there has been a lot of activity! Here's a brief update: The Preliminary Exam was set for March 5, but has been adjourned until May 6 so that our attorney can gather information from the seized computers. We urgently need to come up with $5,000 by May 6, and probably up to $10,000 if this matter goes to trial. I am unabashedly soliciting your assistance. First and foremost, we need donations to the legal defense fund. Second, we need to get the word out which will ultimately help in getting donations. There are currently several ways this can be done: Posting to other websites and alerting media outlets. We welcome comments and suggestions as to how we can meet our common goals: Justice For Pat. To those of you responsible for the http://www.justice4pat.com website, we thank you for your phenomenal support. God Bless.

I've posted the link on our band's site http://www.lunaslovechild.com . Hope to spread some support locally.

i will support this campagn as much as i can! i will link back to it and spread it to all my friends.
edit: alright, i posted it on my frontpage, and I will also add it to my linkdatabase

I have had nothing but grief trying to set up a PalPal account, so I could send any spare pennies I may have from time to time. I'll get it touch with Mrs Pugsly to see if there is any other way to transfer small amounts of "Dosh".
Meanwhile I have added a link in my HomePage too. I copied the Graphic at the top of the "Justice for Pat" homepage to use as a graphic link. I hope this is not "stealing" anyones work or anything like that. Could "someone who would know" check my Frontpage to make sure I am not upsetting anyone please. Tao's FP Thanks.


:::tao:::

New front door for me http://bugimus.com/

I used the same graphic, tao. I don't see why it would be a problem since this is about helping out Pugz. I'm sure one of the creators of the site will confirm or deny very soon

I have a paypal account but the problem is that credit card companies consider some transactions to be like cash advances and therefore charge extra fees. I will also be finding an alternate way of getting some help to them.

. . : slicePuzzle

^^^^very impressive new frontie, bugs
nice one

Bugs: Excellent stuff

I posted an initial notice when it went live and I'll add my thoughts later now things have calmed down:
www.the-emperor.org/blog/entry/84/

Also DL has posted it on his front page:
www.in-dented.com

While I'd like to get the site into number one for "Pat Richard" at Google - its currently number 140:
www.google.com/search?q=%22pat+richard%22&start=130

you can see other sites discussing this here:
www.google.com/search?q=%22pat+richard%22+justice

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Emps

The Emperor dot org

I've added an entryabout it on my homepage, both on the French and English versions.

And I also added a link in my menu, just next to the Guru's network tutorials.

Hopefully it will help.

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If wishes were fishes, we'd all cast nets.



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Just a note: yes, using the logo in that manner is fine and dandy =)

Thanks DL-44 for the heads up.
After seeing what a great job mas and Bugimus have done I think I will rewrite my homepage so it makes more sense, instead of just the link.
::tao::

perhaps Mrs. Pugz should put up a fund-0-meter to indicate how much left is needed like the one found here:
http://www.webrpg.com/ . It might give a sense of urgency to those iffy donators...

Added a link to Justice4Pat on my site as well. Basically used the same caption DL used in his site. Hope that's ok.

PayPal doesn't seem to like me, but I will send what little I can by mail. And if there is anything else I am able to help with please let me know.

Ramasax

edit - note to self: do not post links in UBB starting with "<a href="

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*shudder* since emps wrote his previous message, the justice 4 pat's page rank has dropped right down...we're now at number 220.

front page link at teamphotoshop.

chris


KAIROSinteractive

If we plan on getting the search terms 'Pat Richard' to number 1 on google, then hadn't we better start google bombing that exact phrase? I suggest anyone who already has, and anyone who plans to in the future, put this on their site find every instance of 'Pat Richard' and link it to the justice4pat site.

And on that note...this is the 101st post...time for a new thread.

Continued here: http://www.ozoneasylum.com/Forum1/HTML/008947.html

Justice 4 Pat Richard

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