Preserved Topic: Pugzly Needs Your Help Desperately! (Page 1 of 3)

All of Pugzly?s computers have been seized, and felony charges are most likely on their way. This is in response to a CIVIL dispute with a client (as mentioned here: http://www.ozoneasylum.com/Forum5/HTML/000240.html)
Pugzly has temporarily lost ability to email or do much else. Will you help us with a legal defense fund? Please. I will set something up for donations. I would greatly appreciate your help. Emperor ? please cross post this message to Gurus Network . I don?t have the technical brilliance of Pugzly, so I have to research some of this in order to know how to set up a fund. This case may impact all who design and host websites. I will keep you posted. Please help my Pugzly. You can send email to Pugzly at my email address. You are also invited to send your thoughts on this travesty to sheriff@macomb-sheriff.com.
Thank you and God Bless You All.


[This message has been edited by Mrs. Pugzly (edited 01-27-2004).]

[edit by mr.maX]Fixing link to the other topic.[/edit]

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Thanks, Dear.

This really sucks, and the above is from my wife. I'm staying low (offline) for a while.

Clients should note that sites are still online - only the office machines were taken.

(sorry, this was originally posted in Outpatient Counseling)

Oh fuck man, that seriously blows.

If you can get something set up I'd make a contribution for sure.

Keep us informed.

Edit: Oh, and don't forget to countersue once you're vindicated.

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Mrs. Pugzly: OK I've posted it at the GN:
http://development.gurusnetwork.com/discussion/thread/2452/

As I said in my email yesterday if there is anything that needs doing while online access is limited let me know.

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that's just shockin! i can't believe they did that....or that they could do that!
i'll be more than happy to help out in any way i can.

best of luck to you pugzly!

That seriously sucks.

If you set something up I'll gladely contribute something. If you need any other kind of help just send a mail or msg through icq, and I'll help as much as possible.

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I'd be interested in hearing more of the details of what's going on. You should consider setting up a web page which explains the situation and provides an easy way to donate, and see if you can possibly get it linked from zeldman.com or some other site which web designers who would want to support you would see. I'd be interested in donating something, but again I'd like to hear the details first.

Slime: This thread explains quite a bit of the background:
http://www.ozoneasylum.com/Forum5/HTML/000240.html

But yes it is very serious and we do need to put the word out - however, we also need to be careful about the legal situation.

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man this is crazy. i can't beleive that they could actually "seize" anything in this situation.....boggles my mind.

get the donation thing going and I will contribute what i can.

this is really shocking. bummer that all this is happening. first the GN thing and now this.


Later,

C:\


~Binary is best~

The computers have been seized *before* the felony charges?

I feel with both of you, and hope you get ouf of this pretty soon.
My best wishes, and I hope you get a decent lawyer.

so long,
TP

Having a non-paying client confiscate the tools you use to do business seems more than a bit extreme. Depending on the details of the backstory I could see some web backlash against this kind of fascism.

I just read the other thread for background info. Pugz, I am so sorry you are having to deal with this crap! Please keep us posted on how we can be of any help.

I'm sitting here with my jaw hanging open. What a nightmare. A situation where absolutely no one wins and everyone comes out worse for it.

I'm sending you moral support. If later you need help with character references or currency let me know.

Damn Damn damn is what i would say if someone did this to me...
Maybe the people who learned more about law could help with some aid (shizzzam?).
Now i go back to read about the background.

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Piet Mondriaan

holy moly, hang in there man. Jaw dropper for sure.

That's unbelievable, just so wrong.... I wish you the best of luck and that it turns out as well as it can.

I'm sorry to hear of your woes Pugzly. Once something is set up I will donate what I can.
Best wishes.

:::tao:::

i am sorry to hear that :-(
i have read the other thread too, but i still didnt figure out WHY your computers have been seized? if i understood it correctly, the other company did something wrong, not you???? so why do they seize your comps?
maybe i just understood the whole thing a bit wrong

i wish you all the best and good luck

Wow pugz, that sucks. Please keep us posted. I might be able to scrounge up a few bucks to help you out.

I would ask that people don't fire off angry emails as this is quite a nasty legal situation and we don't want to make things worse - we'll sort out the relevant information and pos. get a form letter together so we can do this in as effective manner as possible.

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^^ what he said

i was going to mention that but forgot to.....good point.

sometimes during situations like this we kind of fire off at the hip

Later,

C:\


~Binary is best~

That really sucks.
OK, I dunno how to make a donation, where should I go.

Felony charges, siezing computers? For a civil dispute? Damn, makes me love this business even more. I am all for chipping in and will wait for the details on how to do so.

Makes you realize how under-appreciated web people are.

Ramasax

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Here is a link that i found with the sheriff's view on the issue.

http://www.detnews.com/2004/macomb/0401/06/d05-28132.htm

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Hackel said it?s important to stay on the Internet because a site allows the department to post things like sex offender lists and employment opportunities.

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Unless he's being mis-quoted by a clueless nitwit journalist, he comes off sounding like a clueless nitwit. The technologies Pat (minimized as a mere web "designer" by the local press) developed for that fine web site took it far beyond a virtual post office bulletin board. Is it possible Sheriff Hackel was the only one who didn't realize or appreciate that? Evidently, since his biggest whine seems to be the cost of reprinting letterhead. He'll have a new site up soon - yeah, right. The damage to the department will go far beyond having to repaint cars and reprint business cards.

I must say the way this situation is being handled by the sheriff's office doesn't inspire much confidence in professional law enforcement department administrators, does it?

It would appear that the Peter Principle is obsolete - the bar has now been lowered to the Hackel Principle.

Sad. The man obviously didn't have a clue what he had. One of the finest, most innovative sites of its kind, and he's managed to piss it away.

I never saw the site you made so I don't know what exactly was lost. But their "new" site makes me sick on so many levels. Have you contacted Bill O'Reilly? He seems to know how to get stuff done.

Edit: Along those lines, as the people who actually know what goes on behind such things, and I refer mainly to the others here who actually do understand the business and technologies (not me), what can be done to actually inform the public as to the true nature of projects like this? Because it is possible for just about anyone to grab a copy of F***P**e a put up a website, no matter how incompotently done, I get the impression that people don't think it is all that much work. (This is evidenced by the statement on the new website: ". . .the new and improved website for the Macomb County Sheriff's Office. This site promises to be much more dashing than the old site!!)



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I've been out for a few days and way just now brought up to speed. I guess I'm still in a state of shock and can do nothing but stare at my computer with my jaw hung open..

This is the stuff you guys brought up and some other stuff I googled.. in no particular order..
Ozone Asylum - Pugzly Needs Your Help Desperately!
Ozone Asylum - What to do?
Guru Gab - Pugzly's problems
Det News - Macomb sheriff opens new Web site after dispute
Det News - Crime-fighting goes online
Macomb County Sheriff's Office
Macomb County Sheriff's Office - Contact Information Page
Psychotria Nervosa: The demise of macombsheriff.com
The Macomb Daily - Macombsheriff.com lives no more
The WayBack Machine - MacombSheriff.com
USA Cops - Macomb County Sheriff's Office
RunningWolf
Macomb County Sheriff?s site wins NACO award

Good Luck, Pugz.. I'm sure I speak for all of us when I type that your expertise, generosity, and sheer good-heartedness have made this place and the GN suchtowering pedestals. We're all with you, just ask...

He and the local media obviously have *no* idea what they had in that site, or in the free web-hosting.

I have often been blown away by the extensive back-end work that was done for that site, as well as the clean, strong front-end design.

The new "site" is a total joke and I can only assume it's not going to get much better...

This guy's attitude is completely unacceptable for someone in his position - completely childlish and altogether unprofessional.

Let me also reiterate though - please don't anyone succumb to the urge to send off emails or guestbook entries lashing out about this. Wait for Pugzly to make his intentions and desires clear before acting.

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

I just took a look at the new site. I am simply sitting here in disbelief. I'm ready and willing to offer support as things progress. Hang in there, Pugz!

At least for the time being, you can take some comfort in the fact that the new site (macomb-sheriff.com)proves that you usually get what you pay for.

<sarcasm>
Of course we all know that there is nothing to building a site....you just take a Word document, add a few animated gifs, underline text that is not a hyperlink, pick any old pattern and tile it for a background. Now just click ' Export as HTML' and there you go....instant Web-site.
</sarcasm>

Of course, Karma being what it is, some folks get exactly the site they deserve.

/* Sure, go ahead and code in your fancy IDE. Just remember: it's all fun and games until someone puts an $i out */

To all of you wonderful friends of Pugzly -- thank you. Your responses have uplifted my mood and hope. It is mind boggling how those who should know better let their baser emotions get in the way. The Emperor has no clothes and the inner circle doesn't have the "equipment" to tell him. Can?t say too much more at this point . . . I?m sure you understand. Your outpouring of support, encouragement and offers of donations are appreciated more than you will ever know. When I?m able to say more, I will. You?ve given me the best possible gift right now . . . hope. God Bless You All. I will keep in touch.

*bows* There's alot we would do for a friend like Pugzly

Mrs Pugzly:

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The Emperor has no clothes and the inner circle doesn't have the "equipment" to tell him.

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All I can say is that I have a large wardrobe full of robes and I've even been known to wear undergarments.

Also from InI:

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Petskull, carefull with those links!!!

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Yep - I haven't been posting links as no one wants an already serious problem getting out of hand. I see a couple of us have posted over on that blog but could we leave it there until Pugz has made a more comprehensive public statement?

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I have been following the post at work.

Sad to say, that it confirms my beliefs " The more you give and the harder you try the bigger kick in the ..... you get"

Anything I can help with - I glady will.

sib

I am a bit overwhelmed by all of this. From the information presented I can not get a clear picture of what is actually occurring at all. Is there anyone who is on the ground floor of this (i.e. Living near Pugzly) who can shed further light on what is going on?

It does seem very awful from what has been stated, but as everyone else I must stress prudence. This is not an issue which should be approached with cavalier, it must be carefully looked at from all angles, and the plan of attach must be formulated in such a way as those who act will be acting in unison toward a definite planned goal.

-Dan-

After reading all the information available about the issue, not being a guy that knows better one side or the other side, all I can say is that I can't tell who's right, who's wrong.

Emperor, I certainly did not mean you by my reference to the fabled character. I do apologize for any mix-up. I was referring to the Emperor of the fable and his chamberlains. You remember the story of The Emperor?s New Clothes are actually nothing at all, and his chamberlains don?t have the courage to tell him. They don?t tell him he?s naked, and so he proceeds to parade through the town. Remember? Maybe it was a bad analogy. Again, my apologies!

LOL - sorry Mrs P I was just being daft

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