Topic: Shiiizzzam (Page 1 of 2)

Well Doc, I possibly know her better than most here, or not..~L~ but even though she's green, I think she has a level headedness that might keep folks in place, as well as being quite nice, and bringing a bit of that feminine contingent that we're mostly lacking at times.

I should torture her by telling you to demote her to complete newbie poster...hehe...but she'd do a good job as an MS I think.

(Plus, free legal advice...cough)

So...yeah...and such.

Peter



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yeah, and with folks like Bian and those damned germans, we're gonna need it. Besides, you've tasted her mean spaggetti sauce..

<EDIT>I can see you've tasted it, it's smeared on your knife..wait, is that blood?... um..... I'm gonna give shizam a call, see if shes alright...</EDIT>


"A kleptomaniac is a person who helps himself because he can't help himself." --Henry Morgan
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[This message has been edited by Petskull (edited 25-10-2000).]

What damned germans?
heh...

She gets my vote.

the ones with the 'Worst Theft ever'..

Wow... posts at the same time...

tskull@techie.com">
"A kleptomaniac is a person who helps himself because he can't help himself." --Henry Morgan
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I don't know guys, I mean, she doesn't even have her own webpage. <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

Just kidding. Why have your own webpage when you have an awesome, glamorous friend who will host your sigs for you? heh

Where did this forum come from? I've been a way for a while now doing various college and high school crap and it seems theres been a lot of new people comming to the forum(also new sections added, such as this) I havent had a chance to meet Shiiizzzzaaam or however its spelt but she does seem nice enuff so if you guys wanna make her a MS shes more then has my vote, although the lab is getting a little crowded, maybe we should start limiting MS'

agreed jester

Jestah makes a good point, maybe we should choose a nice round number?
how does 20 sound?

we should write like an ozones constitution or something. like you can only be MS for like a year and then you have to reapply..

stuff like that.. covering all the stuff we discuss here...
I could do it if you want..

tskull@techie.com">
"A kleptomaniac is a person who helps himself because he can't help himself." --Henry Morgan
ICQ: 67751342

I'm not sure I like that idea. People come and go according to circumstances, and having to apply to be an MS makes it seem more like a job, than a guide.
I don't think we need to worry about having a number cap on MS either, Doc's been doing well with picking and choosing the people who help keep things together around here. This is Ozones Asylum, not the MS Asylum.
I don't believe we need a constitution either, we know the guidelines we should follow as MS&Ps without such a document.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
'nuff said.

My sentiments exactly.

I don't want to see the facade of power rushing to people's heads...this is such a "fun" (aimed) place, and as mentioned.."Ozone's Asylum" no matter how involved we are in helping, Doc has built a very open, comfortable, free place. Nice to try and keep it that way.





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I would have to agree with DG on this one. I think this is all in fun so why put such strict guidelines on everything. The forum seems to be working smoothly right now so why muck with it?

well, if there are almost 20 MadS. then there will always be atleast one around at any given time, so I dont think it is that much more of a job. ya know? but having to re-apply? I think that if you are given the position of a MS, it should be someting that would only be taken away if you requested or if you were kicked out.
also, we need some guide, but nothing really strict.

ZAER

We do have a guide as MS & Ps we are to archive topics, close topics, and help straighten things out when they get way out of hand. It's alos up to us to stnad with Doc when he makes rules and decisions.

Why do you guys want to make this so complicated?

Late. Like usual. Shi gets a vote from me. Infact she gets two for saying my pic thing was awesome hehe.

~

I strongly agree with F1 / DG.

"This is Ozones Asylum, not the MS Asylum.
I don't believe we need a constitution either, we know the guidelines we should ollow as MS&Ps without such a document. "

Pretty much covers it for me.

Wead

Ed. - Petskull, Do you limit your social circle to just 20 ppl? Do you make your friends reapply for thier role every 12 months ?

[This message has been edited by Weadah (edited 25-10-2000).]

as a former administrator for another forum.. heres what i think.

1. people will always come and go. some people will more or less take up residency at a particular forum and consider it their "home". some people will only come here for "quick answers/fixes", hang out for a short while, and move on.

2. if you dont impose some sort of rules (ie. no porn, warez, solicitation, etc.) and consistantly enforce them, people will walk all over those rules just to see how far they can go. (yes, i have had to delete pornographic posts on a gaming forum that is mainly home to a fairly mature group).

3. i think that it needs to be the strong, mature regulars that are offered administration rights. no offense, but shiiizzzam has only been around for a month. dont you think that would make some other older members a bit jealous? how can you be sure that she (or any other newer member offered such a position) will be around in a month or 2?

4. you need to make sure that the people given administrative rights do not let their feelings/opinions get in the way of what gets sensored or that they do not abuse their powers. we cant have people like dave who doesnt like charlie, so hes gonna edit charlies posts enough to get him in trouble (an example, since i dont know anyone here named dave or charlie <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/wink.gif">. now if someone has trouble with the ubb code or mis-types a url and you can set it right, by all means do so (i actually did this often, since we did not have the ability to edit our own posts on the forum i used to mod).

5. the moderators need to be together. i had a bad experience as a moderator. we had 6 people with administrative rights and only 2 of us were active. trying to get us all in the same room to talk was like pulling teeth. the 2 guys that "owned" the board (they hosted it themselves) were very inactive in posting and keeping the place free of duplicate posts. but what they wanted was the law. we didnt have any sort of rules or anything for the board, and people impersonating eachother. it was a big mess. the only *good* thing that came out of the whole thing, was that i met my boyfriend.

hmm.. ok, i think im done babbling.

From what I have seen "policing" around here pretty much takes care of itself. It seems that all the people who hang out here have a certain code that they go by. Anyone who goes against this is pretty much handled by the rest of the forum.

I seriously doubt that any of the MS' would ever modify someone's post to cause trouble. (OK, so maybe mikey). <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

From what I have seen (I was reading this forum long before I ever actually registered and starting posting) this forum pretty much takes care of itself.

There's always the occasional outburst here and there, though... there were a few in a row in the Reviews forum about a month or 2 ago. They're usually handled by locking, usually no one will try to start up the conversation again.

Weadah, my friends are for life, and I probably know half the people on this island, but as la'dsasha so wisely pointed out, this is not about friendship...
this is about a mini-type goverment that we are building here to keep the peace and to help improve on what the Doc has created.

(Man, I think Doc must be getting quite an ego-trip about the way we always capitalize his name and refer to him with god-like quality... hehe)

and btw... the number 20 I just picked it out of the sky... there are 18 mad scientist's now, I rounded up...nice round number..

suggestion... what about we let Shiiizzzam speak for and defend herself, maybe she can email one of us with a response and they can relay it here...


"A kleptomaniac is a person who helps himself because he can't help himself." --Henry Morgan
ICQ: 67751342

[This message has been edited by Petskull (edited 25-10-2000).]

I AM GOD, BOW DOWN BEFORE ME!!!

Heh heh. I love saying that every once in a while, who was it who gave me that silly idea?

I'm not god, and this is not a government. If it resembles a government at all, it should function mostly as a "Rational Anarchy". (Two cookies to whomever can place that reference!) I like anarchy, it suits me well. Anarchy as such can only exist if the people living under that system take responsibility for their own actions and the state of the environment they live in. We don't all have to be clones, marching in lockstep and singing the company song. We can disagree about all sorts of things. As long as most of us can agree about HOW we should disagree we can keep living in this happy state we've been enjoying. If someone pushes too far, and most people here are reasonable people, then the group will take care of policing itself.

I did a comic book back in the mid to late 80's about anarchism, and the conditions that would have to exist to maintain that happy state. Left to its own devices, society would tend to "clump" around strong folks who appear to provide order. This is typically only possible if a bulk of the population wants to be led. (This was a comic book, remember. Relax!) During this transition stage, as people learned what it meant to be truly independent of rules, and the HUGE burden that places on an individual, there needed to be a regulator on the system. A certian group of heroes, chosen only by themselves sprang into being. These folks were the "rogues", the wanderers, the only true anarchists amongst the group, living by their own code. They taught when they could, and punished where they felt they had to. If one of the rogues got out of line, eventually one (or a group) of the others would band together and destroy them. Then they would drift off again, going there own way, doing what they felt was right. mankind was learning to be a collection of strong individuals, taking responsibility for their own actions.

(Hmm, running off to see if I can find that essay I wrote for the back cover of one issue...)

OK, so I found it, and it's 6 pages long, written by hand, heh. I'll have to post more about this after I transcribe it. I'll put it on a web page, it really doesn't belong in this forum, except incidentally.

Oh, BTW! The name of the main character for that comic?

"No man is free lest he free himself." -Dr.Ozone-

Your pal, -doc-

hmmm
"We're forming a little government"
I sure hope not, because I don't want to be involved with a policing regime, or people out to "harshly enforce the RULES"

See, I thought this was an "open, comfortable, free" forum...I swear I've heard that before.

It's probably me, since some of us were Mad Scientists before this took place...but this rush to want to become one is really odd.. ~lol~....here's the scoop folks, so that there's no jealousy, pettiness, or strongarm rigid tactical ideas.

"We do have a guide as MS & Ps we are to archive topics, close topics, and help straighten things out when they get way out of hand. It's alos up to us to stnad with Doc when he makes rules and decisions.

Why do you guys want to make this so complicated?"

From the mouth (er fingers) of F1....and it's bloody brilliant.

As for Shi, I suggested her for levelheadedness and a different outlook....I'm sorry, that I didn't take into account people becoming baselessly jealous over her being relatively "new".

So...uh....other than me, Weadah, Slime, F1, and Krets....where are the people who are having fun?


Peter

ADDENDA::

Doc: Heinlein?




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[This message has been edited by DarkGarden (edited 25-10-2000).]

Doc--
interesting story, I enjoyed it very much.
however, I think I (lest I say 'we') was looking for a more black and white answer.
"Is she in or not" the only differentiating factor between the forum and that story was that only you have the power the promote people to MS...
...and the point about the gov. had nothing to do with the 'service' we're doing, but with the selection of leaders..
if you want to cut MS's, I'm all for that, too
so what's the deal?

<EDIT>
Sorry, didn't see DG post...

I'm having a blast. I think this is really cool and the MS is also really cool.. but I understand the difference between the two...
I don't really understand the jealousy, but what I see about Shiiizzzam is that I go down the posts and I always see her sig (oooo, sexy) and I thought Doc was promoting the regulars and people who are here a lot, not just once in a while...
even he suggested it..

(or should I say 'He'? heheheh)
</EDIT>

"A kleptomaniac is a person who helps himself because he can't help himself." --Henry Morgan
ICQ: 67751342

[This message has been edited by Petskull (edited 25-10-2000).]

Fun!? We don't need no stinking fun!

A mini government? Wow. Can I be the dissident of the bunch? Pllllllllease?

[This message has been edited by kretsminky (edited 25-10-2000).]

WoW, where to begin. First let me thank my mom and dad for all those years of....
ohhhhhh wait ...

This is way out of hand to be honest. I feel being a MS is a honor on this board as it means you are standing with one awesome graphics guy and helping on HIS site.
I don't feel it's about time as a board member but more so time online to clean up double post ect that being a MS is about. I also feel it's about maturity and not control. Heh, at the end of the day, our post reflect who we are. I certainly don't want confusion started over this. I feel it best to leave this in Docs hands.

oooo, deep words, Shiiizzzam

what's this? everyone got up at the same time to post?

tskull@techie.com">
"A kleptomaniac is a person who helps himself because he can't help himself." --Henry Morgan
ICQ: 67751342

OK, Dark Garden gets two cookies instead of the usual one.

Shiiizzzam, (three "i"'s, three "z"'s, I counted!), ahem. I like Shiiizzzam, I suggested here for the title, and this is really the first time I've ever given anyone else any say about the situation. I had a job once, I was the boss, but not the owner. I couldn't give anyone any raises, but we were slow, we were a printing company, so we printed business cards for all of us, down to the newest employee. I decdied that all of us should choose our own titles. Some folks were straight about it, they wanted to be something like a a "Printer". At least one guy wanted the title of "Godlike Ruler of the Universe", which I approved. Bestowing titles is easy. Getting a raise is hard!

Heh. Parable, there. True story, too!

There! Did it again.

Give a fancy title all the credit it deserves. Judge yourself by who you are, what you do, and how many people care about you. That's how I handle it! Life is pretty good. The only worthwhile goal is to be happy. Be happy, now!

Your pal, -doc-

Oh! A fun quote I stumbled across, see if you can guess the author!

"In an effort to put very minor control of some of the out of hand chaos, the promotion of new Mad Scientists to the ward caused sociopathic responses from the Scientists themselves, and the melee became bloody as the patients merely watched and drooled"
-anon-

Your pal, -doc-

Welcome aboard Shiiizzzam. Good luck. <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

<quote>So...uh....other than me, Weadah, Slime, F1, and Krets....where are the people who are having fun?</quote>...other than me DG...dunno....

Shiiizzzam! Congrats & welcome... <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

the quotes in here are starting to look familiar...heh.

Well Phil of course YOU'RE having fun....You're English...and a Trucker....You're spiking the tea and biscuits.

hehehe

Good to see you here man. Not sure if it's I who owe you mail, or vice versa, but someone's slacking <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/wink.gif">

Talk soon.

Peter



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doc:
is that quote from the new york times? I think I read that article while someone was chewing on my leg..

hey hey, shiiizzzam!! glad to have ya here....

best be good now, ya hear?

Phil: how is it possible you have an address next to your name Mr. Trucker...?

Doc!!! he's lying on his info!!

(unlike me of course, nevermind that I live in Puerto Rico.... heheh)

tskull@techie.com">
"A kleptomaniac is a person who helps himself because he can't help himself." --Henry Morgan
ICQ: 67751342

Woohoo congratulations Shiiizzzam. I remember the day when I was made Mad Scientist.


Well I wasn't suggesting a whole goverment going on in the Asylum with my last post. I was merely stating that the lab is getting kinda full, pretty soon everyone and there mothers are gonna be MS. Anyway, I just have one suggestion to make. Instead of all this constitutional stuff being thrown around, I suggest displaying some forum rules somewhere in front of everyone so no one can say they didnt see them and if a rule is broken so many times that persons account is terminated. To be honest, there really isn't a need for this IMHO but it just looks really neat <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif"> Also it might keep language and snyde remarks down to a minimum. Of course we would make exceptions for Mikey, we understand hes just and asshole <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

woohoo 900 posts ... just thought Id bring that to everyones attention ...

Jestah you should take a look at Docs "Welcome to all the Mad Scientists!" post for us in the MS area. He covers what you are stating.


900 posts, jeeze do you have no life? I haven't even hit 500 yet, and I've been around longer.
I'm sure they were all really great posts tho, maybe you should do a book now. <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/smile.gif">

congrats Jester! i dont even have 350 yet.
hrmm, i guess i cant use this sig any more, a?

Smaller Gov!!!!

"exceptions for Mikey, we understand he's just an asshole"
heheheh

man, I look forward to meeting you guys at the con...

Jestah, ok, switch to decaf, dude. Seriously, I'm staring to worry about you, alright?

eyezaer: maybe you could try some type of 'eyezaer.all.pyro.style.face=charred'?

tskull@techie.com">
"A kleptomaniac is a person who helps himself because he can't help himself." --Henry Morgan
ICQ: 67751342

wow.....what a lot of posts about......well...almost nothing!

A quick recap on all the issues I can still remember having reached the bottom of this thread:

shiiizzzam - don't know her (you). Doc says let her in - sure, why not? Doc's forum afterall.

constitution?? applications?? Mad Scientists taking over?? Sounds a bit like the Pigs becoming the Farmers to me (I know some of you youngin's won't know what that means...)

ummm...yeah....I'm having fun DG! at least I was till I had to try and read all this stuff!

Let's not let egos get out of hand....the larger they get, the more fragile they get <img border=0 align=absmiddle src="http://www.ozones.com/forum/wink.gif">

DL's right, we must be carefull that we don't screw this up in a bad way..

let's keep the rules to a minimum, but let's ONLY make that the rules that will ensure that this place remains a fun place to hang out..

tskull@techie.com">
"A kleptomaniac is a person who helps himself because he can't help himself." --Henry Morgan
ICQ: 67751342

Ya know Petskull I hate to keep saying this. Doc has stated the "rules" for the forum, and as far as rules go if any are to be made, it's up to the Doc to make them. This is his home we are guests here. I don't think Doc was looking to make big changes when he created this section of the Asylum, rather he was asking if we, as Mad Scientists, would help him out a little more.

Doc's Rules and Guidelines:

What I'm going to ask of you is simple to state, but carries a lot of responsibility. I want to ask al of you to help me be "the concience" of this forum. You don't need to be the morality police, hell, you shouldn't* be the morality police, we don't want that! What we want is for all of the folks here to play nice with each other, and to remember what it is we've got here, and toi help make it better. You don't need to jump into every hread and steer thing right, you don't need to fix every problem or stop every argument. You don't even need to jump into a thread at all if you don't want to or don't feel you need to. The thing is, there are *so* many new posts daily anymore, I can't even read all of them! I'd like your help keeping things under control.

- Profanity is not against the rules; being rude or mean is.

- Having opinions is good. Disagreeing with others is good too, keeps us on our toes. Being rude or mean while disagreeing with someone is not good, and will get you slapped.

- Posting serial numbers for commercial programs is not allowed. This is about the only thing that I would kick someone from this board for.

- People use warez. Some of *us* might use warez. Officially we frown upon warez, but accept that it's a fact of life in this biz. If you must discuss this kind of stuff, please be discreet.

- Porno is frowned upon here, mostly. Especially crude stuff with no artistic merit might get banned, but we're not prudes. If your art features scantily clad, beautiful women, post away, but don't be surprised if certain folks don't like it, and tell you so! Try and remember that many of our visitors here are legal minors, so don't post anything that might make their teachers or parents make them stop coming, cool?

More to come from Doc as time goes on.

Let's not make this a big deal guys, beacause it's not a big deal. There really isn't much we need to do on a daily basis. Our roles call for us to jump in only from time to time. If we, as Ms & Ps, need our roles to change or evolve, this will happen with time.

yeah, dude, but you gotta admit that we can't start giving MS's a la willi nilli. We have to establish some sort of "You earned MS becase:" or "You didn't make MS because:". Without something like this, then only friends of friends will get MS's, as opposed to because of merit..

waddaya say we go back to the old "350 posts" method, only set the bar at something more common like 250 or 300?


"A kleptomaniac is a person who helps himself because he can't help himself." --Henry Morgan
ICQ: 67751342

[This message has been edited by Petskull (edited 26-10-2000).]

if you do it based off of how many posts there are, youll have people spamming the board *just* to get that magical number of posts. i see it all the time on other ubb type boards. hmm.. well.. i know one guy that spams ubb type boards just so that other people will look up to him.

i am a firm believer in reward by merit. if someone says "me me me make me moderator can i plz be moderator", they shouldnt be allowed to mod. i seriously must question people getting mod just because their friend is a mod.

the kind of people that should be mod are the kind that put forth contributions to the community without looking for rewards, particularly long time members. i can think of a few people in this little community that would fit this description, but would probably get passed over because their nature isnt "flamboyant" enough and they just dont seek that lime light.

what fun is it if everyone is a mod?