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All the world knows exactly how unreliable eyewitness reports are in a criminal investigation. Alas, it's really all we have to go on in this situation. There's no real defineable pattern in the killings, there appears to be no real defineable pattern in the chosen victims...
It begins to sound more and more like some nutjob who got his/her hands on a good rifle with a scope and has enough psychosis to decide that Human Hunting Season is in. At the moment, the chances the sniper will actually get caught are slim to none, and slim's packing to leave town...
What was that about white vans being like dandelions?
Of course, we can always hope that this person will get super careless in their confidence and leave some mega clue for the authorities... Hopefully, that something will be less enigmatic and stereotypical than a tarot card... (in honor of Charlie Brown: Good Grief!)

Try this one...The guy changed the location...
Decoy

Bodhi - Thats true, but he is definatly rational, because of the FBI joining in with high-tech airplanes watching the area, there have not been any killings. So he is not stupid. But I guess you can be smart and crazy, just look at the movie Beautiful Mind.

Cell 816

[This message has been edited by Gilbert Nolander (edited 10-18-2002).]

"nutjob" is merely a convenient description... I didn't necessarily mean to imply he was crazy...

GN - I've not actually had a chance to watch that movie yet. I hear it's excellent though. I may have to check it out.
With all of the coverage on TV, how can this guy NOT know what the authorities are doing to track him down. I mean, it's all over every news channel out there... I heard one reporter the other day say that they figured that what he had to be doing was going into his hotel room every night and first thing turning on the TV to find out what they were saying about the investigation... Not only is he egotistic, in that he wants to be watched for, but he also has to be making his plans where to go next (i.e.: NOT where they are looking for him)

Maybe it's just me, but it occurs to me that CNN and FOX News Channel are a bad thing. I mean, lets just let the whole world know EXACTLY what we're doing here... (I had this same thought as it relates to the coverage of the whole bin Laden/Iraq stuff... Those channels are international, and so there's one of 2 things going on: either the gov't is feeding us incorrect info thru the media in order to throw off the "enemy", or the media is giving us correct information, therefore making it impossible to catch these schmuks because they know our every move...
(o what a tangled web we weave...)

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I'm just worried that they're not going to catch the crazy s.o.b., and he's going to keep on killing people. That guy deserves multiple life sentences.

I heard on the radio here in the Mid-Western US that they have a phone booth surrounded in Maryland(I think Maryland, maybe Virginia) Maybe they finally caught up to the bastard. He supposedly left a number at the most recent shooting outside of a store that the police were supposed to get a call on. They waited and got no call. They beseeched him to call them. Maybe he did(in his stupidity or arrogance) and they traced it to him finally. I haven't heard anything about it since then. Anyone in the area that can confirm this?

GrythusDraconis
"Be careful not to anger the Great Dragon for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup" T-Shirt Somewhere

Someone in my office was passing around a copy of this today. I wonder, are they getting closer? Or are they just trying to pin it on someone...


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Cell 617

Well i am surprised that no one has posted the news here..

This morning 1 man was taken into custody at a gas station driving a white van following an undercover police operation, a second man was detained in a nearby location, HOWEVER, the police in a public statement a few minutes before the time of this post have stressed that NEITHER man has been charged and they have NOT yet CLASSED them as SUSPECTS but both are being questioned relating to the case.

ALSO CONFIRMED THE SHOOTING this weekend has been CONFIRMED by ballistics evidence that the same weapon was used in the prior INCIDENTS.

i hope and pray for those affected and the relatives of the victims, this isnt some sick fuck that led police on a wild goosechase like before, and for whatever reason this guy(s) gave themselves up or something....

well the bad news it appears according to police latest press conference a while ago, that these two guys are not connected to the shootings.

Just hope they get this sorted soon

For all your conspiracy needs...

Could the US gov't be involved in these slayings to give them more lead-way for searching for terrorists? I mean, though it may seen sick, what are 9 deaths, compared with the many thousand that may happen due to terrorism?

Army Airplanes

Cell 816

Heh, GN, you're going way out on a limb. The 'US Government', as you put it, doesn't particularly like working in the public eye...esp. in a situation like this one...where deaths are the case. No way. Such things are illegal to say the least, and the chances of someone getting caught, or exposed in the public eye, would be much to big of a risk in this case.

I would say the possibility is slim-to-none. If it was a 'black-op', then someone screwed up royally. And if it was a 'cover' operation designed to 'smoke out' terrorists, then I really think it would have taken a much different direction and scope.

I can say with certainty, that this is not an operation being done by any agency of the US Government.

So back to the original subject of the thread...

I Didn't really think so either, Webshaman. I was just thinking, which is something I try and do occasionally. And let me stress occasionally.

GN: I'm sure its possible just not probable (although that won't stop some people out there elaborating on this). However, it does demonstrate one of the reasons why conspiracy theories are so popular - its a lot 'easier' to see everything as part of some much larger plan than accept the unpleasant truth that things are chaotic and there are lunatics out there doing these things for their own reasons.

The fact that various governments are using these incidents to tighten laws on us all is another matter entirely (politicians are the world's greatest opportunists).

A law stopping the army from helping in law enforcement does seem a little out-dated as I'm sure the military have resources which are unavailable to to the police.

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Wait... what's that? I can hear the black helicopters approaching! Run for the hills! Sheeeeesh. Conspiracy theories get annoying after you've heard them a thousand times to explain *everything* under the sun.

[edit] aah yea. Double post.

I guess I will add a link.

What you looking at!!!

[This message has been edited by Gilbert Nolander (edited 10-22-2002).]

The sun is really a giant camera that the US gov't uses to spy on people who have the word Bug in their name.

Now there is a cospiracy to expain everything, including the sun.

But anyway, in case you guys did not know, the guy shot this morning died.

He was a bus driver in his mid-30's with a couple kids. I think thats 10 so far.

I don't like to use profanity in here, but what the FUCK...

I went shopping last night, and people were running from their cars to the store.
I joined them.
It's better to be parinoid than dead.

Cell 816

You've got to watch out for people with "bug" in their names.

GN, I've heard people are purchasing bullet proof vests, crouching down while pumping their gas, and walking in zigzags... have you seen any of that?

LATEST SCOOP FROM CNN TODAY:


French authorities have notified Interpol and US authorities that one of its TOP MILITARY MARKSMEN has gone missing last reports place him in north america...

Maybe it's just a coincidence, but this guy is quoted as being an excellent marksman

click here for cnn page


Edit also this: From front page of cnn.com (also link to more info on this including ransom like request in letter)

The head of the task force investigating the Washington-area sniper shootings released part of a message left at the scene of a sniper shooting on Saturday: "Your children are not safe anywhere at any time." Montgomery County Police Chief Charles Moose also said police had received a new sniper-related message and would respond soon.




[This message has been edited by tomeaglescz (edited 10-22-2002).]

Well, if it is him, he's not using his skills. From what I've heard all the shots have been average at best and local cops have been saying he's probably more of a wannabe sniper than anything else. But you never know.

Well, I haven't seen anyone wearing a bulletproof vest, but ducking while pumping gas, yea I've seen that. And yea, I don't think it's a pro, he has missed one time, and he has left three people injured, not killed. If he was a pro, I doubt he would go for chest and stomach shots.

Cell 816

well that was damn quick, within 3.5 hours of the nationwide bulletin on the news about the two wanted men in regards to the sniper attacks, they were captured this morning, serach warrants were hen issued for their property etc, and sourcesfrom law enforcement have stated that they are looking for a third man, a former US soldier in connection with the shootings.

btw, guess what... Middle Eastern looks and name for the guy that was captured this A.M. although he changed his original surname (jones to mohammed).

Hmmm...and the demands for money, last I heard, was ten million...

Now, this changes things drastically...it establishes a motive. I have heard that the perp(s) sent more than one communication to the police regarding monetary demands...don't know if that is true, though. If true, then we have something else to consider here. Trained or not, those responsible wouldn't have to kill the victims to get the point accross (though, as we all know, most were killed...), just avoid capture and continue, until the demands were met.

Now, one could make a case that it could possibly be 'terrorist' related...if, for example, Al-Qaeda needed money...to buy nukes, for example...but I think that's stretching it a little.

At least the motive seems to be clear now...

It would have to be connected to the 9/11 incident...
I ask you - how smart is it to request a transfer of 10mil to a stolen credit card number? I mean, isn't that just begging to be captured?

Bodhisattva: an enlightened being full of generosity who chooses to remain on this plane in order to help others find enlightenment.
Cell 617

It does really seem like it is all over (although the daily press conference has been delayed) - I just saw some fascinating live footage of them driving along with the car in a trailer.

Latest news from the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2356271.stm

quote:

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Mr Muhammad is believed to have served in the army at a base near Tacoma and to have lived in the house.

Fort Lewis, south of the town, provides some of the most intensive sniper training in the US military, correspondents say.

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What I find interesting is that they were arrested in "a blue 1990 Chevrolet Caprice"

It also looks like he may have had a practice run elsewhere:

quote:

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In another development, police are investigating a possible link between the sniper and a killing in Montgomery, Alabama.

A 52-year-old woman was shot and killed outside a liquor store there on 21 September. Another woman was wounded.

Reports suggested that a fingerprint of one of the two arrested men had been found on police evidence at the scene.

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I know he changed his name to a more Islamic one but how significant do people think that really is?

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The radio news reports this morning were stating that the police don't believe either of these guys were working with any larger group. I've also heard reports that each of them were known to make remarks sympathetic to the 9/11 terrorists though. I've heard nothing concrete about their motives as of yet.

Apparently, they've found a gun in relation to the two men taken into custody this morning. Check the story out here.

Bodhisattva: an enlightened being full of generosity who chooses to remain on this plane in order to help others find enlightenment.
Cell 617

Goody gum drops...

I can take my nightly walks again.



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