Preserved Topic: Asylum University

I wish Doc would start his own school for begining photoshop users, javascript etc. on up to advanced. I'm graduating from highschool in 2003, I'd be the first one to register.

Can anyone recommend any schools that target webpage design, photoshop, java script, etc?

I'd go for my PhD. at Asylum U.!

Then I'd be Dr. Pugzly!

Try your local community college. In my opinion, a 4 year school isn't worth it, when it comes to this kind of thing...

:: j e n i ::
fist-eater

[This message has been edited by Jeni (edited 06-11-2001).]

I'll definitely check into a community college. Art Institute charges 33,000 for a 2 year degree!

Or LuD. Lunatis Doctoris

I like to pay 7,000 a year for a New York School, including room and board. It is a great deal, and I get to learn loads.

I go to the University of Stony Brook and they teach me computer science. Which is basically, really hard math, and basic programming corces.

I would recommend this to everyone, especially since the web stuff can all be learned on your own, much easier and much cheaper than paying for a university.

-mage-

I almost taught at the Art Institute, in Houston actually. I had a slight moral problem teaching at a "for profit" (their words) institution. Is there still that class-action lawsuit against them?

Chris

KAIROSinteractive

I semi-facetiously posted that same idea once. After hanging here a while I realised the Doc ( the sneaky old fart ) already has.

You`re reading it now.



If they had just killed Gilligan, they`d have been off the island in a week.

Is college *really* all that important for web jobs? I mean, as long as you can show you know what you're doing, and the client understands you know what you're doing... Frankly I don't think they should care whether you're a grad-student @ age 60, or a 15 year old still in highschool. They shouldn't care, that is, as long as the designer can get the work out on time etc.

You know what I'm sayin :P

Fake, that is all good and true. You do not need college to do web design. But college can open up a lot of opportunity. I could have gone strait into web work from high school, and I was not 1/2 as good as I am not (if that says anything at all). Yet I choose to go to school instead. Which has allowed me to open up a lot of new roads. To realize that web work is great, yet it is just the beginning. There is a ton of stuff out there, school can help to give you the knowledge and the credencials to go to it.

-mage-

Fake,

School is deffinatly the way to go. At all of the Universities I looked at, we were dealing with state of the art hardware and software. While I might not major in comp sci, I might take a few courses in it or even minor in it. Anyway, at school, you get a pretty indepth view of just about everything. You get to be a lot better with the programs and languages. The diploma itself will do a lot for you. It shows that you have applied yourself in studing computer science. People don't want to hire an irresponsible 14 year old. They wanna hire a responsible young adult who demonstates they have the ability to work hard, thats what the diploma does IMHO.


.sig by Weadah.

Don't forget old adult, they love them... if they have the stuff.

-mage-

um.... College is a great place to find a wife. No other reason needed. End of story.

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I usually recommend people to either get a job right out of high school, or do a short-term trade school to give you some kind of "trade", then work for a year or two. After you've learned a bit about the world, gone drinking and lived the wild life, maybe you'll value the university experience better. This time might also give you some time to learn all of the various things there *are* to learn, which would affect the kinds of choices you'd make when going on to higher education. Another nice thing about this technique is that you always have some nice stupid trade to fall back on to get you through hard times when your life takes a left turn. I didn't do the trade school thing, so my fall-back occupation was the same as my first job, I worked in warehouses and unloaded trucks. The pay sucked, but in those times in my life when I needed a job RIGHT NOW, in order to eat and perhaps keep my sanity, this was a job you could get in an afternoon, no problem. As usual, YMMV, I know mine did! =)

Your pal, -doc-

~cough~

when did you have sanity?

~smiles~

I agree with the Doc. It's really good to get out and do some work or learn a trade for a year or two before going on to college. It really gives you some perspective on why you're going to school.

But, make up your mind exactly how long you will take off before going back to school and stick to it. It is very easy for life to take over and you end up ten years down the road saying to your self "Next year I'm going back to school".

The other drawback to taking a year off is that many scholarships and grants are geared toward high school students that go directly from high school to college. They have as one of their requirements "a high school senior entering college in the fall". There are, however, lots of other scholorships that don't have this requirement. It just takes a little more work to find them.

Good advice Doc.

One of my english teacher nailed it on the head. All students after leaving lower educational schools should take a year off, and during that time purchase a keg of beer a week, and get a 20h to 40h a week job. During this time they work a little and party a lot. Then after the year is up, they go to school.

In that way the people would have all the silliness out of their systems, and would be able to be productive from day one at school.

-mage-

I also had thought to post this at one time but realized that this is the best community for learning this stuff that their is. When you combine this forum with the Guru's Network and all other related tutorials we have a pretty good program. And best of all its Free.

Something I wouldn't mind seeing is organized course set that guides you to certain beginning tutorials where you use what you learn to create your own designs and then submit them to the forum for slaughter. The Forum can maybe even say PASS or FAIL then they move on to the next set or go back and try again.

Something else I wouldn't mind seeing is a Collaborative Graphic Design Book featuring Handson and GURU tutorials as well as any other inmates that will give permission to use. I hate to try to follow a Tut on my 15" in monitor while I have PS open and trying to switch between the 2. A well written and Graphically stunning spiral bound book that I can put on my desk and easily follow through while I have PS on my screen. I would probably spend more time on TUTs that way.


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Actually, with the talent over at Guru's (which i need to get back involved with) I don't know that you'd find a more well-rounded faculty anywhere, seriously. And WarMage, that's actually a really interesting concept (the year off).

As far as school, for me it wasn't necessarily the learning part as my degree doesn't directly relate to what I do now, but it was the growing part. I needed that time to develop socially, mature, etc. A lot of that was trial and error that was far less painless than it would've been in the real world...

Chris

KAIROSinteractive

hello all, this is my first post on the asylum! i've been visiting for quite some time, but i finally decided to join the community because i think it's great. i love the spirit of the people, always helping each other out and willing to give a tip or two. i totally agree w/Fake and Mage that you don't need formal training for this web stuff. i'm in my last semester as an engineering student (talk about complex math!) and i've been playing around with graphics and webstuff ever since i found out we could make our own webpages on the school server. it started out as a side hobby just trying to make my webpage look half decent and then i got hooked! in a way, i guess it's good the technology keeps changing so fast that it MAKES you keep up. however, as an engineer you barely have time to breath let alone teach yourself all this stuff. so i find myself trying to play catch up every summer and fill in the gaps, and i must say you folks do an excellent job! besides, i think making webpages on the side provides more windows for creativity than solving math problems at a desk

Hey meathook, welcome aboard. I'm a EE (Eta Kappa Nu, Pi Tau Sigma), but I work in IT--picked up web stuff in eng. school myself (1993-6). I'm pretty sure there are a few other engineers among the general population (Bugimus, you're EE right?).

Let me be the first to welcome a fellow engineer on board.

i love this place! community indeed.

linear, i see you did it in 4 years (tips hat to you). i'm on the 4.5 yr CE program, decided to play a sport. from my 4 years, i've learned that us CEs are really just bad EEs with a comp sci minor most of us that survived to finish decided to end the pain and continue in fields outside the major, mostly trickling into comp sci. i think i'm going to eventually join the dissenters if i make it out. i enjoy this graphical, more creative world but feel like i should make use of the 4 years in the trenches. anyone out there know of a grad school program that combines engr/graphics/comp sci? that would be my ideal future...(and then i woke up)

CE == Comp.E or Chem. E or Civ. E?

Are you an IEEE member? Computer Society has SIGGRAPH which soud like the crew to hang out with if that's your thing. I was pretty sold on going into digital signal processing until I got an IT job my senior year. I dug it and stuck with it.

You use MATLAB or Mathematica at all?

CE = computer engr
i actually just joined siggraph earlier this summer. i'm in ieee, but not really all that active. one of my profs is really up there and he convinced all of us to join at one point in our lives. DSP is actually pretty neat, but i don't think it's for me. i'm not sure what is for me, that's why i'm still in school. i've used both matlab and mathematica before, but not extensively. why do you ask?

I am an Asylum success story! Got out of the Marine Corps recently, went hunting for a graphic design job and wound up with three job offers. I accepted one job on a probationary status while keeping my options open on the other two jobs for the next month or so.

What got me the offers was my wide range of experience, a good resume, and a thick portfolio. Much of the experience and portfolio stuff was a direct result of Asylum University. I cut my teeth on Doc's tuts and then committed myself to this looney bin ... which resulted in an amazing array of abilities I never would have had otherwise!

And now a word from our sponsor:
"I was a 95-pound weakling, but then I discovered OzoneAsylum and now I'm 195-pound muscle man with amazing web design skills! The women flock to me and the big bullies bow down before me. Thanks Doc!" (Disclaimer: results may vary. Void where prohibited. Side affects may include excessive drooling and addiction to little black pills.)

Unfortunately, I have no college, and it may be a while before I have the time available to start night courses. But I think 12 years of military life kinda makes up for missing 4 years of college.

Anyways, I do sincerely thank Doc for his web site and tuts and this Asylum. And I thank all here at the Asylum for sharing their extensive knowledge with the unwashed masses. I guarantee I'll be around for years to come!

BeeKay
Murphy's 50 Laws of Combat Operations
14. Never share a foxhole with someone braver than you.
31. If it's stupid and it works, it ain't stupid.