Preserved Topic: Been wanting to say this (Page 1 of 1)

Hey i love all kinds of art, but it still pisses me off that Tony Bennitt can command 50 grand for still lifes......ouch.

Just wanted to say that.

Doesnt he sing songs for the geritol generation............(wize cracks welcome..:-)

DocCyber....being the nurse and stuff .....I need to ask you a few questions. Do you drink or do heavy drugs? Just for the record ya know

Why did you start another art subject on all types of art for x amount of dollars subject instead of just posting to the other 2 or 3 just started the past few days?

Inquiring minds wanna know.

~Second place is the first looser~

money... fuck it... who needs it .... goddamnit ... just go have fun >

Who on earth is Tony Bennitt ?

I think Tony Bennit is DocCyber's alta-ego.. ya know the one with the blinkers on and the tunnel vision?.. head the size of a planet, with the foresight of a mushy pea?.. I could be wrong

~Vp~

oooooh that Tony Bennitt. and ummmm the 'geritol generation' ? any clues there? heh

hmmmm.. 'genital generation?' errrrrrrrrrrrr.. no comment.. I best not go there me thinks ~Vp~

keep guessing Soc=X.. perhaps DocCyber in all his Wisdom might care to share this enigma with us mere mortals?. perhaps?.. if we are so blessed.. to be deemed fit for the sharing of the 'great' fountain of knowledge and life experience .. are we lucky or what? ~Vp~



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DocCyber perhaps
this sums up what you're trying to say


~The beatings will continue until morale improves~




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*whistles as he mops through the room...*

Well, if we look at "art as economics", I think we can all agree that the $$$ value of a piece of art goes up after the artist is deceased? Since Tony Bennet is right at that point where his art is about to become more valuable, plus, he's already famous!

What *I* wonder about is this, is it *really* art when he's singing into a "microphone" and the sounds are being recorded on "tape"? Plus, they edit this stuff lie crazy, picking out only the good bits, and even those are enhanced! Acapela (sp?) is the only *real* musical art.

Your pal, -doc-

DocC - yeah, he used to, but then the younger generation discovered him when his music was played frequently on VH1 (?) for a week as part of an experiment - that boosted his career back into the general limelight as they began to buy his music...

Still, more power to him that he has the presence to carry it off at his age... I haven't seen his art, but we frequently get the art of famous people showing in the galleries here. some of it is interesting and some not.. The art market is weird from all i've heard. there's no accounting for taste

It seems that when someone has made their $$ exploring their art/craft, they find a way to stay in the arena as they age, (e.g. I notice that opera singers give up in their 30s-40s when their voices being to 'go'. Rock singers add back-up voices and instruments to hide their diminished tonal range.. i must admit i felt a bit of sadness when Tina turner added back-up voices to her shows ), and if they can't, then they move to another artistic arena to express themselves, like painting or sketching... or doing commercials

I was just wanting a response from an art perspective. Is Tony Bennit an artist or just an investment into a famouse name.

got some intersesting responses though.....

VP..........:-)...................................did you see that????????......didnt think so

some good wizecracks...........did anyone see that???..................the post was an open invitation to comment on the subject with wize cracks..............ooooppppppppps..i was to busy coping an attitude towards DC...............

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Jeeez, Doc Cyber.....I couldn't *possibly* imagine why anyone would be apt to make wise cracks at you at this point....

I mean, afterall, you've been nothing but openminded, friendly, and intellectual lately...right?

go figure.....

wize as in wise ?

I don't see your first post as asking for comments on wise cracks. Once again I see it as a is it art and whats it really worth if it's done by this singer person that may sing for geritol commericals topic that you seem stuck on lately. A topic gets closed and you open it with a new name and twist of words.

IMHO ....I think this is getting old but whatev'ah floats your boat and stuff.

Doc gave you a perfect answer.....it fits well with the last few days of topics you ask about art ........

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What *I* wonder about is this, is it *really* art when he's singing into a "microphone" and the sounds are being recorded on "tape"? Plus, they edit this stuff lie crazy, picking out only the good bits, and even those are enhanced! Acapela (sp?) is the only *real* musical art.

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~If rabbits' feet are so lucky, then what happened to the rabbit?~





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This is off topic but I'm going to say it anyway...

Art in music is like this:

I remember a time when I was lazying on a couch in the healer, a Blues bar just 20 meters of the main strip of the valley. I don't go their often, I guess I was just in the mood for some nice blues. The speakers crackled and the smoke settled as as the large hefty man on stage cleared his throught. The hollow and lonely sounds of an alto sax roll in as wire brishes begin stroke the symbols. The hefty man on stage raises his head and begins to bellow into the rolling background music and I become lost in song. Time passes, how much I cannot tell. Mabey it's the music, mabey it's all the bitter vodka's I'd had that night but I just didn't seem to care...

When it comes to music, that it ART! not some overly mastered CD that you'd never find a flaw in no matter how hard you tried. It's the realness of it, you can see the creation, you can almost feel it it's so real.

On the other hand, there's dgital music. Music made my machines. This is no less worthy of being called art than any other art, it to has it's bad and good examples. If your listening to some techno song sitting round in your lounge room while talking to your buddies it's not really art. But the exact same song may become more of an art form when it's played in a dance club and it makes people get up and and dance, or a song that amplifies to the emotional moment of a movie. Music if ment to move you, emotionaly, phyicaly whatever.

If it does that, then it's art!

Just my 2c on the music Art thing........

everybody needs a swamp bear

DocC - How can anyone possibly make a judgement on Bennett's still life's before they see them? It's really hard to know, I've seen John Lennon's sketches and they are simple but said nothing to me.. otoh i've seen Red Skelton's clowns and they evoked a lot of emotions - spoke whole stories just looking at them...

It would be too easy to say, yeah, he's famous that's why people buy his stuff.. just as it's easy for those who are still offended by what you said days ago to still take jabs at you rather than address the topic or ignore it.

Of course its art. According to every definition you can possibly root out of all the trash thats been tossed into the 4 or 5 threads that have been going on, this would be considered art. Just because you don't deem it worthy (even though you haven't even seen it) doesn't automatically cast out its merit.

As for the prices, to me they do seem a bit high, then again I don't have that kind of money to throw around. Do I detect a slight tint of jealousy or envy in your post though Doc? Its all about supply and demand. There is a limited supply of the work and a great demand from the huge fanbase that this man has. That "geritol generation" is bound to have lots of money to throw around before they pass away, so what the hell?

Oh, and the music isn't just for the old fogies, I listen to a bit of it myself now and then...

side note: velvet - it's not a matter of having been offended...it's a matter of tiring of the same discussion over and over and over and over and over...and hearing the same comments from certani people - DC for example - over and over and over and over.

so yes, many of us will choose to post, regardless of the topic, and pretty much ignore the 'posted' topic in favor of addressing the underlying topics.

/sidenote

All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy.

Chris

KAIROSinteractive

I've been to a gallery in Lahaina Maui several that sells art by famous people. You know what? They ALL suck. Save Ron Wood, he's pretty damn good really. Each time I go back I make a point to go in there and look at that crap. Can anyone tell me why? I think it's morbid curiosity myself.

One night I was sitting outside this same gallery looking at the ocean and the people all over the place and this little oriental girl walked in there and walked back out in like, dunno, 30 seconds? With a big ol painting under one arm and just walked off and ducked into a dark side street ASAP. I reckon she got what she 'paid' for there.

Jason

HeHeHe...............Just mining thoughts.

curiosity is always better then an ol hat. So why not mine others thoughts to see if there a curiosity or ol hat.

I like curiosities and better when you can develope them. After all life is the best pallet to paint on........dont ya think?

I worked for an art gallerie in West Palm Beach Florida called Virgina Lees who owned 2 Red Skeltons...they where masterpieces...But Red could paint....:-)....thought id mention that...for those who know Skeltons paintings its the Indian Chief with the sparese head dress and one of his sad clowns.....awesome in real life

I think you all have said it all quite nicely.......................whats are next topic..????

DL..........sorry for the repeat subject...............we know how sustaining lifes moments are......for some moments last a life time for others sustaining the moment is a challenge.......ill be sure and not repeat any subject from now on................................well at least ill shoot ya an email for written permission...hehehehe.........sorry couldnt resist.................................................temptation is fun

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Been wanting to say this

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sometimes you can say too much


~Parents moto: If it ain't broke...it ain't ours~

If I got 50 grand for my still lifes, it would piss me off when people told me I ain't worth it. Seriously. It is a tough job to get somebody to pay me that though, but I should be getting there soon. That would have to be computer generated still lifes though, does that matter? Probably not.

I ususally get a good laugh out of what most people think is 'good art'
its all about perception...everybody thinks they are good drivers also.

Hey. What do you^ mean? I'm an excellent driver.

The reason he can command 50k for still lifes is that other people are willing to pay 50k for his still lifes.

If nobody liked Picasso, his paintings would go about ten for a dollar, but a lot of people are interested and a lot of people consider it fine art. The reason a painters works go up in value after they die is because they won't be able to create any more.

Same thing for any art genre.

That's sooooo true ^^^^^ It's why I said... it's like antiques...stuff is worth what someone is willing to pay

~I like to go to art museums and name the untitled paintings... Boy with Pail... Kitten On Fire...~

^^^I love Stephen Wright. Somehow he makes even more sense to me than DocC.^^^



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Shi you sound like my grandmother ..always said nothing but alway got in enough to get the last word........hehehe.....................you can post to much also

Anyone here work for themself......................i thought artist starved untill discoverd.

DC - you sound like my gran....oh, wait, nevermind. my grandmother actually makes sense when she speaks.


before I post next time I'll go consult my lawn.....maybe then we can get on the same wavelength.

in the meantime, please - feel free to regurgitate the same useless conversations with yourself out onto the screen for the rest of us to read. your mindless wandering through the chasm in your head is an endless source of delight for the rest of us.....

no really.......





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Did you know that Abraham Lincoln once tread on the very ground outside my apartment?

No shit.

The Zinnias told me.

Yah, be your own man DC

You great bunch of people do like me.................:-).

For awhile there i thought this was the Asylum private click club..........where the past is always thrown in your face and while being nice is a great attribute..........it needs some learning here in the click club.

As i rub more duck oil where its needed.......:-)

please.... avoid rubbing your duck in public.....

Weadz (Thread Nazi - 2 n 2)
As per, start another if you wanna talk topic, this is a waste of everyones time.



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