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Fig Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist From: Houston, TX, USA Insane since: Apr 2000	posted 07-14-2001 01:25 Us: http://www.teamphotoshop.com/ Them: http://www.endpod.com/ bleah... Chris KAIROSinteractive
taxon Neurotic (0) Inmate Newly admitted	posted 07-14-2001 01:41 yah... that's pretty pathetic.
DL-44 Maniac (V) Inmate From: under the bed Insane since: Feb 2000	posted 07-14-2001 01:42 wow. I'm no fan of teamphotoshop, but christ. losers. ?Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative? -- Oscar Wilde
mr.maX Maniac (V) Mad Scientist From: Belgrade, Serbia Insane since: Sep 2000	posted 07-14-2001 01:54 Oh, that's very lame rip-off...
Bugimus Maniac (V) Mad Scientist From: New California Insane since: Mar 2000	posted 07-14-2001 02:07 So that really is a rip off and not the same people? I hope they get sued back to the stone age!!!
MalFunkShun Maniac (V) Inmate From: PA Insane since: Jul 2001	posted 07-14-2001 02:26 I'm so upset with this that I am at a loss for words. And it's not even my site. .:!:..:!:..:!:..:!:..:!:..:!:. MalFunkShun (i think it's broken) .:!:..:!:..:!:..:!:..:!:..:!:.
butcher Paranoid (IV) Inmate From: New Jersey, USA Insane since: Oct 2000	posted 07-14-2001 03:12 They must have yanked the whole site. Nothing but a big white background left there now. - Resolutions, Of All My Fruitless Searches -
DL-44 Maniac (V) Inmate From: under the bed Insane since: Feb 2000	posted 07-14-2001 03:31 that was quick. don't know who else has, but I sent a message to enpod and to team photoshop....was up an hour ago. now it's gone. for those of you who missed it, it was the teamphotoshop site, with the textual content replaced by these people offering webdesign and hostingn services. they had a client page. with no clients on it. heheh ?Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative? -- Oscar Wilde
warjournal Maniac (V) Mad Scientist From: Insane since: Aug 2000	posted 07-14-2001 04:02 View Source... <HTML> </HTML> I'ld say it's taken down. Pretty bloodless. On a similiar note, what happen with that guy that totally ripped Doc?
pank Obsessive-Compulsive (I) Inmate From: Chicagoland IL. Insane since: Jul 2001	posted 07-14-2001 04:24 Well, just wanted to say thanks to you guys. It seems like the graphic community really watches out for one another and that is what I really love about it. Thanks -bob teamphotoshop.com
Bugimus Maniac (V) Mad Scientist From: New California Insane since: Mar 2000	posted 07-14-2001 04:28 Are we having a moment here or what? It kinda gets ya right here... ahh shucks... It's cool to see such a quick take down!
NoJive Maniac (V) Inmate From: The Land of one Headlight on. Insane since: May 2001	posted 07-14-2001 04:35 Who has that 'sig' "These eyes have Walls" yep.... sure doooo if you go to the 'team' site the 2nd rip... is still up... a bit garbled... but pretty much there. nj
mbridge Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist From: Insane since: Jun 2000	posted 07-14-2001 05:56 The domain name is rip too. www.endopod.com
JKMabry Maniac (V) Inmate From: out of a sleepy funk Insane since: Aug 2000	posted 07-14-2001 06:47 I noticed the domain rip too. This is complete foolishness. Only people that are interested in the design side, and pretty hard in to it I might add, would see the signifigance of such a domain name, the very people that would bring your butt down if you rip something like that. Then there's the 'clients' that they're 'targeting' (and I use that term extremely loosely), they're gonna look at a name like endpod or endopod and just say "what the?" stupid is such an ugly word but perhaps it applies here Jason
bitdamaged Maniac (V) Mad Scientist From: 100101010011 <-- right about here Insane since: Mar 2000	posted 07-14-2001 08:23 Umm endopod isn't a rip He's been around forever. used to share space with phong Walking the Earth like Kane
Fig Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist From: Houston, TX, USA Insane since: Apr 2000	posted 07-14-2001 09:41 bitdamaged, i think the reference was that endpod was a rip of endopod. And thanks guys, I know pank and I both really appreciate it. The second rip listed on TeamPS was a rip of his personal site. Anyone wanting to see the endpod.com rip can see a screen grab I made (for just such an occasion) here (128k jpg). Chris KAIROSinteractive
Jestah Maniac (V) Mad Scientist From: Long Island, NY Insane since: Jun 2000	posted 07-14-2001 17:00 99.99% up time? I guess we're currently in that .01% where the sites down while the guys can find a new site to rip. Any bets on who the next one is going to be? Mark's gotta new design up. Anyway, has anyone noticed that all these hacks are from 'web designers'? What makes someone completely steal a layout and then offer design services? Geez. I think the guy who hacked Doc was that guy bian. He's ripped everything though, Mark, Phong, Doc, etc. The list just goes on and one. Someone call the toll free number on endpod. Maybe I will .sig by Weadah.
Jestah Maniac (V) Mad Scientist From: Long Island, NY Insane since: Jun 2000	posted 07-14-2001 17:02 Well I called the number, didn't have much to do this morning, and left a message. I'm not expecting them to get back to me though, they never do .sig by Weadah.
3rdperson Paranoid (IV) Inmate From: your subconscious. (scared yet?) Insane since: May 2001	posted 07-16-2001 01:50 threep smiles and says: "aw, fellas, this is just great. GROUP HUG! "
DL-44 Maniac (V) Inmate From: under the bed Insane since: Feb 2000	posted 07-16-2001 04:13 'hey, who squeezed my butt?'
kretsminky Maniac (V) Inmate From: A little lower... lower... ahhhhhh, thats the spot Insane since: Jun 2000	posted 07-16-2001 04:14 Aw shit, I thought that was taxon... Sorry DL.
3rdperson Paranoid (IV) Inmate From: your subconscious. (scared yet?) Insane since: May 2001	posted 07-16-2001 04:25 threep swears and yells: "VP! mops are not welcome in group hugs! "
vogonpoet Maniac (V) Mad Scientist From: Mi, USA Insane since: Aug 2000	posted 07-16-2001 04:28 oops.. darn.. forgot the KY (vas) again.. sorry threep.. thought you would be toughend up by now?. lol ~Vp~
taxon Neurotic (0) Inmate Newly admitted	posted 07-16-2001 04:33 THAT'S IT!.... NO MORE GROUP HUGS!
3rdperson Paranoid (IV) Inmate From: your subconscious. (scared yet?) Insane since: May 2001	posted 07-16-2001 04:34 threep squeezes taxon's butt to make up for kret's lack of accuracy, and pleads: "aw, come on, just ONE MORE group hug?"
Ducati Paranoid (IV) Inmate From: in your head Insane since: Feb 2001	posted 07-16-2001 04:39 They are still up. Hey Doc... what happened to that dude who ripped your site off???
DL-44 Maniac (V) Inmate From: under the bed Insane since: Feb 2000	posted 07-16-2001 04:42 I feel doubly violated......
Shiiizzzam Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist From: Nurse's Station Insane since: Oct 2000	posted 07-16-2001 04:45 I feel like I just walked into a College football locker room at half time ! Pervs ! ~ If you're robbing a bank and you're pants fall down, I think it's okay to laugh and to let the hostages laugh too, because, come on, life is funny. ~
Fig Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist From: Houston, TX, USA Insane since: Apr 2000	posted 07-16-2001 04:55 Ok, this is really starting to tick me off. We even got an apology e-mail from the guy (after Bob wrote him a not-so-nice e-mail) apologizing and saying he had just put it up temporarily and hadn't listed it with search engines or anything because he was gonna change it. Hate to do this, but it's time to mail the guys at K10k Who am I kidding, glad to do it.. Chris KAIROSinteractive
Slime Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist From: Massachusetts, USA Insane since: Mar 2000	posted 07-16-2001 05:12 quote: (after Bob wrote him a not-so-nice e-mail) Wow, we got the black hole in the center of the galaxy in on this one too? You'd think the guy would listen to something like that.
warjournal Maniac (V) Mad Scientist From: Insane since: Aug 2000	posted 07-16-2001 05:14 Whoa. It was down when I checked it the other day. Now he's got it back up? Dude! Now, even though the first volley was pretty bloodless, that's just plain asking for a real whoopin'.
kretsminky Maniac (V) Inmate From: A little lower... lower... ahhhhhh, thats the spot Insane since: Jun 2000	posted 07-16-2001 05:22 I sent an email to every one of the addresses they gave. This email: "I really like Phong. Will you rip that site and stick it up and pretend that its mine. You could even use an auto maximize script so that my rip will be plastered over every single inch of my screen? That would be really cool."
Pugzly Paranoid (IV) Inmate From: 127.0.0.1 Insane since: Apr 2000	posted 07-16-2001 05:50 I think we need to start a site (or a page at a site) listing the "rippers", with screen shots. Maybe some public humiliation would help....
bitdamaged Maniac (V) Mad Scientist From: 100101010011 <-- right about here Insane since: Mar 2000	posted 07-16-2001 06:22 I like this little "you should change your resolution to view this site tag. Yeah. I'm gonna change my resolution to view your site. Damn you are one hot shit designer man. Walking the Earth like Kane
netmosis Neurotic (0) Inmate Newly admitted	posted 07-16-2001 08:21 it it just me or is the site still up? pretty pathetic, they still even have the teamphotoshop logo in the bg of the news scroller... dilute+your/!dreams
Bugimus Maniac (V) Mad Scientist From: New California Insane since: Mar 2000	posted 07-16-2001 08:24 It's back up alright. I just launched an email salvo.
DocOzone Maniac (V) Lord Mad Scientist Sovereign of all the lands Ozone and just beyond that little green line over there... From: Stockholm, Sweden Insane since: Mar 1994	posted 07-16-2001 12:25 Yah, I missed the "taken down" version, it's up and running for me. There's several calls for .js files that are wrong, Netscape jumps to those pages and say "not found", but in IE it's still there. Here's a cool link for finding everything about somebody, primarily aimed at spammers, but it works well for these situations too... http://combat.uxn.com/ Your pal, -doc-
Fig Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist From: Houston, TX, USA Insane since: Apr 2000	posted 07-16-2001 17:58 Pugly: something like http://www.pirated-sites.com/ ? i e-mailed the guy there last night, we'll see when he puts it up. And the site was down at some point, I'm wondering if we just crashed his server... People suck sometimes... Chris KAIROSinteractive
Rinswind 2th Maniac (V) Inmate From: Den Haag: The Royal Residence Insane since: Jul 2000	posted 07-16-2001 23:18 Ok here we go again... gett this guys mailing and his isp too if possible let's do the same thing as on the ripp-off from doc a few weeks ago. Mail him until he gives in or up!! He puts an irl adress on the site... ok put his home box full of paper (you know the stuff which comes out your printer heheheh) 999 Hilliard Street unit 31 Peterborough, Ontario Canada, K9h 5R9 Toll Free: 1.888.216.5612 Local 1: 1.705.775.8739 oh and the email adresses. billing@endpod.com,info@endpod.com,sales@endpod.com,support@endpod.com, webmaster@endpod.com,dns@endpod.com,feedback@endpod.com,accounts@endpod.com boy i like the CTRL-C for so many email adresses (who is gonna read them anyway...) ~Rinswind ~ [This message has been edited by Rinswind 2th (edited 07-16-2001).] [This message has been edited by Rinswind 2th (edited 07-16-2001).]
Bugimus Maniac (V) Mad Scientist From: New California Insane since: Mar 2000	posted 07-17-2001 01:22 Well, he just added a different logo so it looks like he intends to keep this site up. Very bad!

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Fig
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Houston, TX, USA
Insane since: Apr 2000

posted 07-14-2001 01:25

Us: http://www.teamphotoshop.com/
Them: http://www.endpod.com/

bleah...

Chris

KAIROSinteractive

taxon
Neurotic (0) Inmate
Newly admitted

posted 07-14-2001 01:41

yah... that's pretty pathetic.

DL-44
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

posted 07-14-2001 01:42

wow.

I'm no fan of teamphotoshop, but christ.

losers.

?Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative? -- Oscar Wilde

mr.maX
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Belgrade, Serbia
Insane since: Sep 2000

posted 07-14-2001 01:54

Oh, that's very lame rip-off...

Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted 07-14-2001 02:07

So that really is a rip off and not the same people? I hope they get sued back to the stone age!!!

MalFunkShun
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: PA
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted 07-14-2001 02:26

I'm so upset with this that I am at a loss for words. And it's not even my site.

.:!:..:!:..:!:..:!:..:!:..:!:.
MalFunkShun
(i think it's broken)
.:!:..:!:..:!:..:!:..:!:..:!:.

butcher
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: New Jersey, USA
Insane since: Oct 2000

posted 07-14-2001 03:12

They must have yanked the whole site.

Nothing but a big white background left there now.

- Resolutions, Of All My Fruitless Searches -

DL-44
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

posted 07-14-2001 03:31

that was quick.

don't know who else has, but I sent a message to enpod and to team photoshop....was up an hour ago. now it's gone.

for those of you who missed it, it *was* the teamphotoshop site, with the textual content replaced by these people offering webdesign and hostingn services.

they had a client page.

with no clients on it.

heheh

?Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative? -- Oscar Wilde

warjournal
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From:
Insane since: Aug 2000

posted 07-14-2001 04:02

View Source...

<HTML>
</HTML>

I'ld say it's taken down. Pretty bloodless.

On a similiar note, what happen with that guy that totally ripped Doc?

pank
Obsessive-Compulsive (I) Inmate

From: Chicagoland IL.
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted 07-14-2001 04:24

Well, just wanted to say thanks to you guys. It seems like the graphic community really watches out for one another and that is what I really love about it. Thanks

-bob
teamphotoshop.com

Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted 07-14-2001 04:28

Are we having a moment here or what? It kinda gets ya right here... ahh shucks...

It's cool to see such a quick take down!

NoJive
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Land of one Headlight on.
Insane since: May 2001

posted 07-14-2001 04:35

Who has that 'sig'

"These eyes have Walls"

yep.... sure doooo

if you go to the 'team' site the 2nd rip... is still up... a bit garbled... but pretty much there.

nj

mbridge
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From:
Insane since: Jun 2000

posted 07-14-2001 05:56

The domain name is rip too.
www.endopod.com

JKMabry
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: out of a sleepy funk
Insane since: Aug 2000

posted 07-14-2001 06:47

I noticed the domain rip too. This is complete foolishness.

Only people that are interested in the design side, and pretty hard in to it I might add, would see the signifigance of such a domain name, the very people that would bring your butt down if you rip something like that. Then there's the 'clients' that they're 'targeting' (and I use that term extremely loosely), they're gonna look at a name like endpod or endopod and just say "what the?"

stupid is such an ugly word but perhaps it applies here

Jason

bitdamaged
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: 100101010011 <-- right about here
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted 07-14-2001 08:23

Umm endopod isn't a rip

He's been around forever. used to share space with phong

Walking the Earth like Kane

Fig
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Houston, TX, USA
Insane since: Apr 2000

posted 07-14-2001 09:41

bitdamaged, i think the reference was that endpod was a rip of endopod.

And thanks guys, I know pank and I both really appreciate it. The second rip listed on TeamPS was a rip of his personal site. Anyone wanting to see the endpod.com rip can see a screen grab I made (for just such an occasion) here (128k jpg).

Chris

KAIROSinteractive

Jestah
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Long Island, NY
Insane since: Jun 2000

posted 07-14-2001 17:00

99.99% up time? I guess we're currently in that .01% where the sites down while the guys can find a new site to rip. Any bets on who the next one is going to be? Mark's gotta new design up.

Anyway, has anyone noticed that all these hacks are from 'web designers'? What makes someone completely steal a layout and then offer design services? Geez.

I think the guy who hacked Doc was that guy bian. He's ripped everything though, Mark, Phong, Doc, etc. The list just goes on and one.

Someone call the toll free number on endpod. Maybe I will

.sig by Weadah.

Jestah
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Long Island, NY
Insane since: Jun 2000

posted 07-14-2001 17:02

Well I called the number, didn't have much to do this morning, and left a message. I'm not expecting them to get back to me though, they never do

.sig by Weadah.

3rdperson
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: your subconscious. (scared yet?)
Insane since: May 2001

posted 07-16-2001 01:50

threep smiles and says:
"aw, fellas, this is just great.
GROUP HUG! "

DL-44
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

posted 07-16-2001 04:13

'hey, who squeezed my butt?'

kretsminky
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: A little lower... lower... ahhhhhh, thats the spot
Insane since: Jun 2000

posted 07-16-2001 04:14

Aw shit, I thought that was taxon...

Sorry DL.

3rdperson
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: your subconscious. (scared yet?)
Insane since: May 2001

posted 07-16-2001 04:25

threep swears and yells:
"VP! mops are not welcome in group hugs! "

vogonpoet
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Mi, USA
Insane since: Aug 2000

posted 07-16-2001 04:28

oops.. darn.. forgot the KY (vas) again.. sorry threep.. thought you would be toughend up by now?. lol ~Vp~

taxon
Neurotic (0) Inmate
Newly admitted

posted 07-16-2001 04:33

THAT'S IT!.... NO MORE GROUP HUGS!

3rdperson
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: your subconscious. (scared yet?)
Insane since: May 2001

posted 07-16-2001 04:34

threep squeezes taxon's butt to make up for kret's lack of accuracy, and pleads:
"aw, come on, just ONE MORE group hug?"

Ducati
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: in your head
Insane since: Feb 2001

posted 07-16-2001 04:39

They are still up.

Hey Doc... what happened to that dude who ripped your site off???

DL-44
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

posted 07-16-2001 04:42

I feel doubly violated......

Shiiizzzam
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Nurse's Station
Insane since: Oct 2000

posted 07-16-2001 04:45

I feel like I just walked into a College football locker room at half time ! Pervs !

~ If you're robbing a bank and you're pants fall down, I think it's okay to laugh and to let the hostages laugh too, because, come on, life is funny. ~

Fig
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Houston, TX, USA
Insane since: Apr 2000

posted 07-16-2001 04:55

Ok, this is really starting to tick me off. We even got an apology e-mail from the guy (after Bob wrote him a not-so-nice e-mail) apologizing and saying he had just put it up temporarily and hadn't listed it with search engines or anything because he was gonna change it. Hate to do this, but it's time to mail the guys at K10k

Who am I kidding, glad to do it..

Chris

KAIROSinteractive

Slime
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Massachusetts, USA
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted 07-16-2001 05:12

quote:
(after Bob wrote him a not-so-nice e-mail)

Wow, we got the black hole in the center of the galaxy in on this one too? You'd think the guy would listen to something like that.

warjournal
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From:
Insane since: Aug 2000

posted 07-16-2001 05:14

Whoa. It was down when I checked it the other day. Now he's got it back up? Dude! Now, even though the first volley was pretty bloodless, that's just plain asking for a real whoopin'.

kretsminky
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: A little lower... lower... ahhhhhh, thats the spot
Insane since: Jun 2000

posted 07-16-2001 05:22

I sent an email to every one of the addresses they gave. This email:

"I really like Phong. Will you rip that site and stick it up and pretend that its mine.

You could even use an auto maximize script so that my rip will be plastered over every single inch of my screen?

That would be really cool."

Pugzly
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: 127.0.0.1
Insane since: Apr 2000

posted 07-16-2001 05:50

I think we need to start a site (or a page at a site) listing the "rippers", with screen shots. Maybe some public humiliation would help....

bitdamaged
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: 100101010011 <-- right about here
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted 07-16-2001 06:22

I like this little "you should change your resolution to view this site tag.

Yeah. I'm gonna change my resolution to view your site.
Damn you are one hot shit designer man.

Walking the Earth like Kane

netmosis
Neurotic (0) Inmate
Newly admitted

posted 07-16-2001 08:21

it it just me or is the site still up? pretty pathetic, they still even have the teamphotoshop logo in the bg of the news scroller...

dilute+your/!dreams

Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted 07-16-2001 08:24

It's back up alright. I just launched an email salvo.

DocOzone
Maniac (V) Lord Mad Scientist
Sovereign of all the lands Ozone and just beyond that little green line over there...

From: Stockholm, Sweden
Insane since: Mar 1994

posted 07-16-2001 12:25

Yah, I missed the "taken down" version, it's up and running for me. There's several calls for .js files that are wrong, Netscape jumps to those pages and say "not found", but in IE it's still there. Here's a cool link for finding everything about somebody, primarily aimed at spammers, but it works well for these situations too...
http://combat.uxn.com/

Your pal, -doc-

Fig
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Houston, TX, USA
Insane since: Apr 2000

posted 07-16-2001 17:58

Pugly: something like http://www.pirated-sites.com/ ?

i e-mailed the guy there last night, we'll see when he puts it up. And the site was down at some point, I'm wondering if we just crashed his server...

People suck sometimes...

Chris

KAIROSinteractive

Rinswind 2th
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Den Haag: The Royal Residence
Insane since: Jul 2000

posted 07-16-2001 23:18

Ok here we go again... gett this guys mailing and his isp too if possible let's do the same
thing as on the ripp-off from doc a few weeks ago. Mail him until he gives in or up!!
He puts an irl adress on the site...
ok put his home box full of paper (you know the stuff which comes out your printer heheheh)

999 Hilliard Street unit 31
Peterborough, Ontario
Canada,
K9h 5R9

Toll Free: 1.888.216.5612
Local 1: 1.705.775.8739

oh and the email adresses.

billing@endpod.com,info@endpod.com,sales@endpod.com,support@endpod.com,
webmaster@endpod.com,dns@endpod.com,feedback@endpod.com,accounts@endpod.com

boy i like the CTRL-C for so many email adresses (who is gonna read them anyway...)
~Rinswind ~

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Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted 07-17-2001 01:22

Well, he just added a different logo so it looks like he intends to keep this site up. Very bad!