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Canada has ice-hockey and snow... So does sweden...Canada good!

You know how many great comedians have come out of Canada? Why, "Strange Brew" alone was enough to place me eternally in Canada's debt! Plus The Kids in the Hall, Dan Ackroyd, etc. etc., ad infinitum!

I love Canada, and plan to visit, someday. It'd be something of a change from San Diego...



Odd behavior; even temperament...

Kids in the Hall is great, Comedy Central airs an hour every weekday... and let's not forget Mike Meyers

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Kids in the hall is absolutely hilarious. I think it is highly under-rated, but I watch it every chance I get at 2:00 and 2:30 Eastern time P.M. I also love their theme song for the show in the opening credits, I added it to my burnt CD of TV THEMES


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Here's a less than complete list of Canadians involved in the entertainment industry in the U.S.:

Michael J. Fox
John Candy
Martin Short
Eugene Levy
Lorne Michaels (producer of Saturday Night Live)
Jim Carrey
Mike Myers
Catherine O'Hara
Dave Folley (Kids in the hall)
Scott Thompson (Kids in the hall)
Bruce McCulloch (Kids in the hall)
Kevin McDonald (Kids in the hall)
Mark McKinney (Kids in the hall)
Robert MacNeil (of PBS news MacNeil and Lhear <sp> )
Celene Dion
Bare Naked Ladies
Joe Shuster (co-creator of the Superman comicbook character)
Shania Twain
Alanis Morrissette
Rush (musical group)
Triumph (musical group)
Anne Murray
Our Lady Peace (musical group)
Tea Party (musical group)
Aldergrove (musical group)
Sarah McLachlan
James Cameron (director of Titanic, Terminator 2, True Lies, etc..)
Kate Winslet (Canadian born before moving to England)
William Shatner (Captain Kirk)
Dan Ackroyd
Raymond Burr
Thomas Chong (Cheech and Chong)
James Doohan (Scotty from Star Trek)
David James Elliot (J.A.G.)
Matt Frewer
Robert Goulet
Lorne Green
Phil Hartman
Michael Ironside
Norm McDonald
Howie Mandel
Rick Moranis
Leslie Nielson
Matthew Perry (Friends)
Jason Priestly
Keanu Reeves
Jay Silverheels (Tonto on the Lone Ranger)
Donald Sutherland
Kiefer Sutherland
Alan Thicke
Dave Thomas
Joseph Wiseman (Played Dr. No)
Pamela Anderson
Coleen Dewhurst
Megan Follows
Margot Kidder (Lois Lane in Superman movies)
Mia Kirshner
Sarah Polley
Kate Reid
Jennifer Tilley
Meg Tilley
Shannon Tweed
Fay Wray
Monty Hall (host of Let's Make a Deal game show)
Doug Henning (Magician)
Le Cirque du Soliel (originated in Montreal and is now featured worldwide)
Art Linkletter
Rich Little (famed for doing impresssions)
Alex Trebeck (host of Jeopardy)
Peter Jennings (news anchor of ABC nightly news)
Arthur Kent (news reporter)
Morley Safer (60 minutes)
Bryan Adams (musician)
Paul Anka (musician)
Jann Arden (musician)
Bachman-Turner-Overdrive (band)
Bruce Cockburn (musician)
Leonard Cohen (musician)
Holly Cole (musician)
The Cowboy Junkies (band)
The Crash Test Dummies (band)
Glen Gould (musician)
The Guess Who (band)
Corey Hart (musician)
Jeff Healey (musician)
K.D. Lang (musician)
Gordon Lightfoot (musician)
Ashley McIsaac (musician)
Loreeena McKennitt (musician)
Joni Mitchell (musician)
Oscar Peterson (jazz musician)
The Pursuit of Happiness (band)
Robbie Robertson (musician)
Buffy Saint-Marie (musician)
Paul Shaffer (musician, band leader on Late Show with David Letterman)
Jane Sibbery (musician)
Skinney Puppy (band)
The Tragically Hip (band)
Neil Young (musician)
John Colicos (villain in Battlestar Galactica)
Thalia Assuras (News Reporter)
Conrad Bain
John Barbour (host of Real People t.v. show)
Nadine Berger (news reporter)
Genevieve Bujold (actress)
Susan Clark (actress)
David Cronenberg (director)
Hume Cronyn
Yvonne DeCarlo
Glenn Ford
David Foster
James Gosling (Programmer, Sun Microsystems)
Alan Hamel
Don Harron
Arthur Hill
Dan Hill (musician)
Tommy Hunter (musician)
John Ireland (Director)
Robert Ito (actor, Dr. Quincy)
Norman Jewison (television director)
Ruby Keeler
Mimi Kuzyk (actress)
Guy Lombardo
Allyn McLerie
Kate Nelligan
Kevin Newman (reporter)
Michael Ontkean
Mary Pickford
Gordon Pinsent
Christopher Plummer
J.D. Roberts (news reporter)
Michael Sarrazin
Helen Shaver
Frank Shuster (co-produced Ed Sullivan show)
Hank Snow (musician)
David Steinberg (television director (Designing Women))
Teresa Stratas (Opera singer)
Gino Vannelli
John Vernon
Jon Vickers (Opera Singer)
Walsh, Gwynyth Walsh (actress - B'Etor, one of the Klingon Duras sisters - Star Trek DS9)
Al Waxman (actor)
Johnny Wayne (co-produced Ed Sullivan show)
Keith Morrison (reporter, NBC Dateline)

Witherin, where did you get that list? It's quite comprehensive. I was surprised by quite a few of those names.

Much of the work was done for me. It's amazing what you can find out there on the web. Pretty much anything you can think of collecting, from snippets of useless information to colored eggs or whatever. Someone out there will have a web page devoted to it. Here are a few I used to collect the list. I did it sometime back when the topic of Canadians working in the U.S. cropped up with a friend.

http://schwinger.harvard.edu/~terning/Canadians/

http://www.ryanthiessen.com/canada/en/cancelebs.htm

http://classic.sacbee.com/smile/webby/webby_092399/webby.html

http://members.tripod.com/~davidschutz/superman3.html

*points at Witherin's list* See?!? Told ya so!

Holy cow! Thanks for the backup, Witherin!

amazing how us and canada still fight over the trivial of things. although I'm a us cit, I feel my gov. does not act in everyones best interests.

Hey hey, July 4th is right around the corner!!!

Apparently every person on this Earth has a Far Side calander but synax. Anyway, exactly what is Canada Day? You Caunucks sure do have weird holidays, a friend of mine from Toronoto was telling me you guys celebrate the day after Christmas as Boxing Day when you throw out all of your boxes? Is this true or was he pulling my leg?

Insider, try to show some respect here. Canada has come along way since they were the joke of the western world. There now a political and economic force to be reckoned with.

-Jestah
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Hey Jestah. I understand your confusion over Boxing Day. Most folks in Canada, England, New Zealand, Australia, etc who observe the day also have less than clear ideas of what it's about.

If it helps, here's a link to an explanation.

Oh, and Canada Day is Canada's independance day.

Interesting link Witherin, exactly how does it work though?

Do you, depending which country you live in, actually give out presents to the lower class and if so based on what? I mean do you just give it to random people, or people you know?

-Jestah
Cell 277

The holiday itself (in North America anyway) has degraded into being the "Cheap Shit After Christmas Day".


Basically stores cut the price of their goods still left on the shelf, in an effort to sell the excess tock from the Christmas orders. Of course since it's such an established day now, stores barely cut the costs at all, and it's just a huge shopping day for idiots and the like.

The basis of the day is nice to hear...but much like Christmas, it hardly has anything to do with the present-day holiday.

So its really just another manufacturers holiday? Weird.

Another silly question, in the states we really don't cover too much Canadian History, exactly who are you celebrating your independence from? I was of the understanding that both the English and the French occupied different parts of the country. Of course I think thats what I remember from a brief mention of Canada in AP US History.

-Jestah
Cell 277

England and France fought over territory throughout the americas, including in parts of what is now the United States. But England won out in the end. Quebec managed to keep the right to speak french, but that was about it. Other francophones in an area around the atlantic provinces called Acadia chose not to swear alleigance to the Brits and left to live in another french territory called Lousiana. Eventually, these people would be known as Cajuns. Canada peacefully negotiated their independance from England in 1867. Initially it was the areas known as New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Ontario, and Quebec. Over the years, other provinces also separated from England and joined the country in independance. The last province to join was Newfoundland in 1949.

Here are a couple of links for the sake of interest:

http://www.canadian-republic.ca/history.html
http://www.communication.gc.ca/facts/nfld_e.html

~sigh~

I always find it funny that most Canadian students know more U.S. History than a great percentage of U.S. students....heh.

When people say it's "our independence day" that's just to clue in Americans that it's a day not unlike the 4th of July. The actual holiday is to commemorate the signing of the BNA (British North America Act) which symbolized the union of the provinces in what became Canada.

"The French" don't occupy any part of Canada, though neither do the British. We're not a colony, but I do know where the confusion comes in.

Wayyyyy back in the day, the French held a certain amount of Canada (which was restricted to parts of Ontario and Quebec then) while the Brits laid claim to another chunk. Dubbing Upper and Lower Canada, there ultimately came a nice big fight, culminating in a commemorative battle on the Plains of Abraham. The British defeated the French, but weren't so callous as to kill them off further and/or kick them out. Canada was divided again, but wholly as a British holding, where the French still occupied an area that they had no solid claim to.

French Canadians still live around the country, mostly populating the Quebec region though. However, they are french speaking Canucks, not "the French".

Dig?

And the Reader's Digest type version above...heh.

But Peter, U.S. history is so much more interesting reading than Canadian history...

I mean, we have racism, intolerance, genocide, wars, bigotry, misogyny, slavery, and a host of other -isms and -ry's. Where else can you learn about a bunch of people who move into a place that's already populated and call themselves "settlers?"

I should try that with my neighbor's house.

Happy Canada day to my neighbors in the north!


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Well Peter, it seems silly to learn about Canadian history when you can learn about American history, doesn't it

Thanks for the info though.

-Jestah
Cell 277

Yeah..too bad you don't learn U.S. history either...but it's a nice theory.


Krets: Oh we have all those too, we just swept our Natives under the rug onto reservations instead of killing them.

Canada, the kinder and gentler Amerika

Oh I dunno Peter, I think Americans generally know their history fairly well. If your remarks stem from Americans being unfamiliar with Canadian holidays, try to keep in mind your still from Canada. You can pound your chest and call people all the names all you want, Canada's still just the country north of the United States and nothing else. For what its worth you could be there or you couldn't, it makes little difference to most of the world.

-Jestah
Cell 277

~lmfao~

He was right. I can't wait until you meet the right group.

It's only half contempt now...it's become half pity, and that's in all honesty.

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Oh, but for what it's worth, as I hate leaving you more ignorant than you came: None of my comments had any trailing patriotism to them at all. In fact I don't seem to see a single mention of greatness, or an action of "chest pounding". Do you imagine that people do that alot?

Oh wait..there is a self-deprecating (in concern to Canada) statement though.

Something seems amiss in your comprehension, man.



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I think that I speak for all intelligent and educated Americans when I say of Jestah.......

"We don't know him..."

I don't give a furry rat's ass about where someone is from. That's one of the main advantages of a messageboard like this; nobody has to give any information about themself since it does not matter. The one that posts his work on the photoshop forum might be a twelve-year-old who's spent 6 years with his dad's version of PS, or a 55 year old woman who has made the transition from traditional painting to the digital world. It doesn't matter. We're not hindered by any prejudices here, all that matters (and should matter) is the quality of our stuff and the willingness to learn new techniques and to share experience.

(Wow. that's some rant. Sorry about that.)

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This is the second time you've opened your mouth scathingly about my country and things you can't possibly understand (since it exceeds a kindergarten reading level). Don't open it again you rotten little fuck.

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I stand corrected Peter, where on Earth I got the idea that you verbally abuse anyone for making comments towards Canada I'll never know. I never said anyone reguarded Canada as the greatest country, because we both know where that one goes. You made the comment that Americans don't know their history and I argued that they do we just don't know Canadian history because it isn't worth taking the time out to learn. You guys haven't exactly accomplished a lot in your span as a country and I would imagine the reason why Insiders comments about Canada being America Jr. bothers you so much is because generally thats how the world views you.



-Jestah
Cell 277

Jestah, speaking from experience, Americans really don't know shit about our own country's history. We know even less of the history of other countries. We are a very ego-centric people and you are the epitomy of this.

It's attitudes of little fucks like you that create the opinion of Americans that so many other countries hold. Your attempts to buffer your ignorance with self-serving statements like "we just don't know Canadian history because it isn't worth taking the time out to learn." are as transparent as Stephen Wright's school colors. (two points to anyone who gets that reference)

You are such a puerile little imbecile that sometimes I wonder how you aren't constantly in jail or in traction because of your assinine views and loud-mouthed nature.

How does that bumpersticker go?

There are some people who are alive only because it is against the law to shoot them.

I think that about sums it up.



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Heh Jestah... Your comments on knowing history have some validity. But also I think you'll find way too many in the U.S. and Canada don't know as much of their own history as they should. As an example -- clicky. I don't doubt that if Jay took his show to Canada and asked folks questions on Canadian history, they'd suck as badly.

As to "You guys haven't exactly accomplished a lot in your span as a country". Well Canada's been involved in quite a bit in it's short history. Unfortunately, because Canada lies next door to one of the most powerful countries in the world, pretty much anything it does is overshadowed by American accomplishments. Most especially in the eyes of Americans.

As to "...the reason why Insiders comments about Canada being America Jr. bothers you so much is because generally thats how the world views you.". Frankly, that view is mostly an American view. At least in so far as my own experiences have shown.

In any case, I prefer to view each country on it's own merits rather than trying to make comparisons. Both America and Canada are great countries. Each has accomplished quite a bit in their relatively short histories.

Experience? Are you even 30 yet? No Krets, your statements are not based on experience, there based on opinion. An opinion I should add, which probably has more to do with your friend DG being part of the discussion, take him away and I'd imagine you'd probably have a different opinion.

Ego-centric? Take a step back from your boyfriend's asshole for a minute and look at how the rest of the world lives. Now think how some of these people would live if the United States stopped given aid, education, support, etc. Probably not the same huh?

Are you honestly going to tell me that Canada has as significant a place in this world that the United States does? How many countries rely on Canada? Now how many countries rely on the United States.

Your right though, foreign countries have a terrible view of the United States. That usually comes out right after we give them some more hand-outs.

-Jestah
Cell 277

And he ignores the valid questions and statements and jumps on his homophobia trying to cover his lack of premise.

I'd be amazed...

No I wouldn't.

Again Reading Comprehension...and then maybe you'll understand the context of the message to your boyfriend...(sic)...insider. It had nothing to do with Canada being great, jackass..LEARN TO FUCKING READ

You're not helping your argument for American education by showing your inability to understand english without painting it with your surreality.

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My *experience* would be the years that I spent as a teacher and teacher-to-be reading studies about the gap in the education of American children compared to the rest of the world. My *experience* would be the test scores that I was privy to as an educator. Most of all my *EXPERIENCE* would be actually spending time with these kids and seeing first hand what kind of knowledge they had. But you're right, as a college student, your experience with this kind of thing is far greater than mine.

As for the rest of what you said, I've never been one who enjoyed cleaning up vomit, and this time is no different.

Well I'm staying out of much of this as you guys seem to all be holding your own in the teeth gnashing contest.

Jestah, not sure if you addressed this one to me or not. But I'll answer it. "Are you honestly going to tell me that Canada has as significant a place in this world that the United States does? How many countries rely on Canada? Now how many countries rely on the United States"

As I'd said, I don't do side by side comparisons like that. There's no way that Canada could shoulder as much responsibility as the United States has. They simply lack the resources to do so. However, within the limits of their own resources, they contribute a fair bit to the world. They are a major player in the UN Peacekeeping force, including an almost 30 year commitment to keeping the peace between the greek and turkish factions on the island of Cyprus. They are well known in areas such as telecomunications, medicine, humanitarianism, etc.. But again, I never said they were as great as the United States. Only that they were great in their own regard, as are many many other countries in the world. Each country makes its own contributions to what we all have in this world. And I don't think any of us have the right to denegrate any country or culture no matter how small they may be in comparison to our own.

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How many countries rely on Canada?

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Um...I'm not sure, but I know the U.S. does quite heavily. The U.S. imports far more stuff (mostly raw goods -- wood, rocks, some food) from Canada than we do from any other country in the world.
Canada buys a lot of our manufactured goods too...a lot.
Not making the arguement that the U.S. couldn't live without Canada...I don't have any sort of numbers to back that up...but it would make our lives significantly more difficult if Canada decided one day to be mean to us and stop buying our stuff...or selling us theirs.

God Save the Prime Minister of Canada!
(...or something like that.)
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Overall, Jestah, you're being a jackass.
There is no way you would tolerate for even one second someone talking shit about your country.
Do unto others...and stuff.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled program.

hey Michael - it appears that one of the implements from your tool shed has escaped and is causing a stink over here. Wanna come get it and put it back where it belongs?



It's really not worth addressing anything directly of course.....but man, Jestah, you are a fucking idiot. And then some. As Krets said, you epitomize almost everything wrong with what could be a great country here. You are an embarrasment.

Well, it's July 4th now, so happy America Day!

Oh no...why do Americans have to do such things...sad...

'My country is greater than yours...' Who cares?

I bet the Romans said that too...and they are long gone...maybe we, as Americans, should take that as a lesson...and learn from it. After all, we won't always be the Top Dog...history proves that.

As DG said, Read what is there...I don't see him praising the greatness of his land...and actually, if anyone takes the time to actually listen to him, he points out numerous areas (not just Canadian, BTW) of human 'history' as sad...

It's one thing to be proud of your country...it's another to put down someone elses....I think that's called Bigotry...America was supposedly formed on the idea of Tolerance...one wonders where it has gone.

Nice to see that some Americans haven't forgotten that.

Happy 4th, for what it is worth...

Hmm? I like Canada. I didn't notice Tori Amos on that list of influential canadians, must be an oversight. (Even though she now lives in Ireland for tax reasons.) Most of *my* friends live on the internet, if I'm going to have to be part of a "group" I'd much rather be part of one that's joined by common interests than by geography.

Your pal, -doc-

By all means Peter feel free to clue me in. What exactly does your statement mean other then to become angry when someone says Canada is a lesser country then the United States. I wasn't implying that Canada is a bad place to live. If your going to assume Americans are dumb because we don't know about Canadian history, then you should keep in mind where you live. We learn about various countries and their achievements, achievements that greatly overshadow Canada's small achievements. Exactly what achievements, made by Canada itself not individuals, should American's be studying? Canadas short history hardly contends with the history of England, China, or the United States.

Since I doubt what I said will penetrate your thick skull I'll make it clearer, Americans don't learn Canadian history because we are stupid, we don't bother learning it because there isn't a whole lot worth learning.

Krets didn't you teach elementary school? Is your experience based on 2nd graders?

-Jestah
Cell 277

How about taking this to email?

I know it won't solve anything but as senior and respected inmates it might be a good idea to try and set an example (as much fun as this has been).

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Heh.

So. I'll reiterate.....Jestah - you are a fucking moron.

You are one of these poeple that should be taken out and shot.

You serve no purpose other than to further your own money-fueled egocentric bullshit.

FOr the record...Canada's history is equivelant to ours as far as timeline goes....and your continuing howling and chestpounding (as you yourself put it) does nothing to change the size of the object you try so hard to overcompensate for.

I have to thank you however, for giving me a hearty laugh.

It's kind of like watching a 3 year old who plays at using daddy's tools.....or cooking with mommy's pots and pans...it's cute.

Keep trying little guy, someday you'll learn how to use a *real* brain.

I am from Canada I would have to that yes the USA has more people, makes more money, and is politicaly more powerful. But I would not say that this automaticaly makes it a better country. It's a nice place though. That out of the way now on to the rest.

It seems a common thing fopr the US to treat canada as "Amerika Jr." and at times they have said it would only be a matter of marching to aquire it wholly. This has proven to be wrong and violently denied by Canadians throughout history as well. So it seems that some things never change. Even now we have people on this forum doing just that. But when it comes down to it Canada is a pretty good country that has made a impact on the world today and is continueing to grow.

As for some saying Canada lacks interesting history try reading up on the Company of Adventurers Trading into the Hudson's Bay(I think that is right) or The Bay as it is now called. They one of the British's main staying points in America against the French and latter the US. Our history is just as exciting as the Americain's but we tend to hide the battles and what now could be politicaly incorrect moments more. But I have to say if it wasn't for Nepolian Canada may have been alot bigger then it is today(Yes that is an somewhat obscure historical reference. Who here knows what it means?).

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