Preserved Topic: Zeldman is (not) a ripper (Page 3 of 3)

Heh. Mail from Nathan

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Dear WebShaman,

Thank you very much for your letter. First of all, I'd like to assure
you that I didn't mean any harm when using Zeldman's design. I'm just
a beginner (13 years old) and did not realize I was doing something
wrong. I was just very fascinated with Zeldman’s design. Please accept
my sincere apology.

I would very much appreciate it if you could please give me some time
to change my site. I can’t take it down (for some extremely important
personal reason I need to have it available at all times).

Thank you for your consideration,
Nathan

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Anybody hear from Zeldman yet?

Been following this thread and I must say that if this reply from him is honestly meant (the site has changed after all, perhaps not that much, but it's at least an attempt), he has answered in a way that is a lot more mature than most 13 year olds that I'e seen.
Esp after the "treating" his forum went through. I'm impressed he didn't blow his top completley.

May I suggest a temporary truce until we see any reactions from zeldman? After all, they must decide if the apology and the redesign is enough, we can't really do that can we?

ANd Nathan, in case you are reading this. I hope you sent a similar letter to zeldman, I figure that would do you good.
/Dan

{cell 260}
-{ a vibration is a movement that doesn't know which way to go }-

Yup. I agree. I think any further action is now in Zeldman's hands...

Thanks to all for helping on this one...good job.

Yes what DmS said (no need to apologise to us but I'm sure Zeldman might appreciate one).

We'll keep this thread open to see if there is anything from Zeldman and then I think we can shut it down (until next time).

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I'm still working on the content...I'll get it over to my content partner...

PS: And I'll sort what needs to be done to get the design working crossbrowser and make sure it gets done. Happy?

[edit: Oh and WS and I have had a bit of chat about strategy and what needs doing to push this through to completion so no need to worry there - technically it wouldn't have helped in this case anyway (despite some of the spam on his forum mentioning the Ripper Report) ]

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~LMAO~

Okay, Jeffrey was apparently swamped with email over this. I really hope that not TOO many of those clogging blights came from the people here. I know we're ravenous dogs around here...most, poorly fit for human cohabitation but...

Nonetheless, no more clogging. After an initial email is sent, he really will read it...no need to do it en masse. Still, good show guys (aside from the teenaged antics).

Heh =) I would believe that many other individuals found the site, too. I doubt all those emails came from us. =) (I, for one, didn't send him an email; didn't think it would help anything, since he doesn't know me personally)

The next ripper case that comes up will be a test of whether we've refined our methods.

We need to be much more clear about not letting loose all our might *until* it is warranted. Rippers need to be given a chance to correct the problem before we pounce on them. I'm not sure how we can make this more clear around here but I'm sure there's a way. Remember our reputation as a community can be damaged by our actions if we're not careful. I would like to think we have a good to decent rep now.

Check: http://www.zeldman.com/daily/0103c.shtml#thief

Bugs (as always) makes some good points there and I'd like to reiterate some of my own before closing this thread down:

1. No inmate was ripped.

2. The people who were ripped didn't ask for our help.

Although we all (?) respect Zeldman and his work all that was required here was for people to grab a few screenshots and drop Zeldman an email (and let us know that you had so you aren't spamming their inbox). Anything beyond that was not only overkill but just not required.

As Bugs said - perhaps we can learn from this for the next time?

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I'd just like to add that we've had this conversation may times before.

It seems that every time someone finds a rip (or alleged rip) people just want to jump all over it and the real issue just gets totally buried in a bunch of stupid self righteous bullshit.

The range of nonsensical reaction always ranges from infantile and abusive crap like went on in this guys forum, to people who like to show off how many legal terms they've heard in their life, and threaten the person with some sort of punishment or legal action.

It's really sad quite frankly, and I'm embarrased sometimes by the level to which many people here seem to sink in an effort to show how high and mighty they think they are.

I really wish people would learn that it's not their place to fight a battle that doesn't involve them, and for which their help has not been solicited.

Wanna report it? Great!

Wanna offer your assistance? Great!

But realize that unless your help is requested, it's not your palce to act on the issue!

I`ve stayed quiet about all these incedents before, but since the subject is up...
I have to agree (out loud) with Bugs, Emps, and DL. This kind of unsolicited, infintile response is embarassing, as well as unwarrented. I hope we can expect a more mature approach from the Ripper Report when it goes live.

I understand that the hearts were in the right place, but the heads weren`t .

Just my .02

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I hope we can expect a more mature approach from the Ripper Report when it goes live.

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You can your ass it will. We hope to establish 'guidelines' for action which will cover the steps people should take if they've been ripped and if they've spotted a rip. Its clear we haven't (as a group) learned much from the mistakes of the past and the more clearly its stated the better - I'm not really there is anything that will be 100% effective against people forming a baying mob and rushing off to lynch the 'offender' but after this mess I'm quite prepared to rapidly shut this kind of thread down in the future.

So for futrue reference:

If you think you spot a site which has ripped another one take screenshots and email the person who has been ripped.

If they want advice on how to progress then they should contact the ripper and let them know, in reasonable and moderate terms, that you think they have stolen your content. If you still think you have a case then contact their host.

The Ripper Report will be providing support, help and advice for people who have had their content stolen and won't act as a meeting room for potential lynch mobs.

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ripping here, ripping there.........but remember: I AM STILL THE BEST RIPPER



-THE SPACE-

I can only stress what Emps said - the RipperRepport is not for 'abuse', or for fancies...it's a serious site...and professional. If it ever comes to a point, where it starts to get out of hand, I'll personally shut down the website. It's one thing, to have people running wild over a ripped site...quite another, for a site that includes Educate and Protect as a basis for functioning, to do so. Not to mention of how it would reflect on the seriousness, and professionalism that we wish to bring to the subject...I think we had this discussion before, as the RipperReport was first being formed.

As for the 'running wild' that has occured, I must also guiltily raise my own hand...yes, it could of (and should of) been better handled, that is true. However, the fact that the ripper in this case was not willing to be reasonable on the issue, and was given more than enough time, and reasonable suggestions, that were ignored, is also a factor, I think. Still doesn't excuse the behavior, though...I will keep this in mind, for future occasions.

And now we have heard from WS I think it is time to shut this down.

Perhaps next time we'll get it right. Perhaps.........

[edit: Damn always the one for a quick last word Hopefully by extracting our dealings with content thievies ut of the madhouse we should be able to take some of the 'heat' out of these kind of things.]

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