Preserved Topic: Zeldman is (not) a ripper (Page 1 of 3)

He ripped this 13 year old, innocent guy. Even some of the text, like on the contact page, he ripped. http://www.nathanshor.com/

Hah. Wow. What sort of idiot would copy the design of what may be the most popular web designer out there?

(For those who aren't aware: www.zeldman.com was the original)

How did you find this? It should be submitted to pirated-sites.com if it hasn't already. And I'm sure Zeldman would like to know, unless he's already recieved hundreds of thousands of emails about it.

Actually he (not zeldman of course ) ripped both bratta.com (down at the moment) and pupius.co.uk some time ago too. I think that was reported to pirated-sites-com. I keep checking this one a little now and then for other rips, heh.
I mailed Zeldman yesterday too.



[This message has been edited by HZR (edited 01-17-2003).]

maybe the title of this thread should be changed, as it stands now it looks like zeldman is being called a ripper

yep.

Oh, sorry, just me being ironic.

Yup. Do it by the book...screenshots, emails...and this

Seems the boy has a forum here...already posted...

Just took a screenshot...saved.



[This message has been edited by WebShaman (edited 01-16-2003).]

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maybe the title of this thread should be changed, as it stands now it looks like zeldman is being called a ripper

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I think it's pretty clear that HZR was being sarcastic there....

Sarcasm? We don't much of that around here... what is it again?

quote:

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Website made by Nathan Shor. NathanShor.com: Powered by Creativity.

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Whose creativity??? That's classic!

Also the header graphic still has pieces of Zeldman's name in it. This ripper didn't even take the time to totally remove it. You've just got to love that, it's better than anything on TV.

I whipped an email off to Jeffrey earlier...included a screenshot. Chances are he'll be laughing about this soon enough.

Although he has given his rippers some exposure in the past by making them a nice entry on the zeldman.com frontpage.

Dl without getting ibn a long discussion about this , simply put anybody not knowing who zeldman is wouldnt get the sarcasm

nuf said, back on with the show

boy that's a widely used forum

seems that his host should just take it down and then ban him for constant use of others work. That's pretty bold to steal someones layout and stuff like Zeldman.

From the looks of it, it would seem that he also ripped some Photoshop tuts. Don't have time to go through them all, but, that Stone tut sure looks a lot like the Phong tut.

Later,

C:\


~Binary is best~

[This message has been edited by CPrompt (edited 01-16-2003).]

Oh. ok, let's delete this thread and start it over without the sarcasm for those 3 people who don't know who zeldman is

I didn't have time to go through the whole site, but wow, that is really sad. At least it's a 13 year old...

sad, no kidding, if you're gonna rip something at least make it interesting

Jason

Get a load of this Looks like he has taken his favorite past-time to regular artistry other than ripping off others websites.



The programmer's national anthem is 'AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH''

Wolfen's Sig Site

Yeah, that gradient at the bottom is a total Matisse ripoff. Nice work on the big swirly night sky, though...

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nathan
Administrator:
what do you think?
Here is a picture I made with photoshop. Please tell me what you think.
nathan has attached this image:

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nathan
Administrator:
posted on 9-10-2002 at 07:38 AM hey nathan, I like it!

nice work!

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LMFAO

Ooooh, nice catch Jeni. this is an odd duck, or perhaps he doesn't think anyone's watching him? If that's the case we just walked in on him in his mom's underwear singing BSB at the top of his lungs. Or maybe it's his daily affirmations therapy? Now I'm embarrassed.

Jason

Please to be interesting oneself in comparing these pages two:
http://www.phong.com/tutorials/newstone/
http://www.nathanshor.com/experimental/tutorials/stone.html


How did the final image from both come out identical in pattern? It looks like our good little ripper started with his own images in his tute but couldn't finish it somewhere along the way and substituted Phong's image from there on out. Could anyone check me on that?

you guy, I think it would be the best idea to leave him alone. Flaming him wont help. Let him discover his mistakes by himelf, and maybe then he'll take care of it. As much as I think he's an idiot, maybe he just doesnt understand.

Not about flaming...it's about copyright infringement.

If someone doesn't show him what's wrong with it, then how exactly do you propose that he "discover his mistakes by himself"?

Nope, mailing him to let him know what the problem is is a first step. Sorry man, that's just the way it is.

holdfold, if he really doesn't understand then perhaps he won't mind being told why what he's doing is wrong. It's good to make him aware of the problem and then give him a chance to correct it. If he does, then all will be well. If he doesn't, then we'll know he really doesn't care about hurting others.

He's just a kid. I think it would be best to stop flamming, delete all post (especially his), and talk o him. Maybe it's all the posting that's causing this. I really think this would be the best way to handle this case. I'm sure I can persuade him, but I'll need all your help to STOP IT ALL. It may be a long process, but it would be worth it. EMail me privately to continue this converstaion.

Thanks,
--holdfold

Check your mail.

Holdfold, nobody's flaming anything. They're just contacting the original website owner as well as the individual involved to point out the ramifications of what's wrong.

Also, there shouldn't be any persuasion involved at all. If I'm caught speeding, I'm sure the cop isn't going to persuade me to take the ticket.

Now imagine that scenario when applied to copyright infringement. If you decide to come out with a soft drink called Coco-Cola and use the exact same logo as Coca-Cola, their lawyers are going to be on you like a ton of bricks.

Website designers usually don't have that kind of legal muscle and have to rely on their friends and people in the internet community to protect their copyright interests.

Well...looks like he deleted my post...

So it's gonna be like that, is it?

That's a very bad sign.

Bugs : Yea, they age definately the same image. Color adjusted, or maybe a new flat light, but they are identical in every other way.
Any of you math majors want to figure the odds against that using a random filter as a base ?



<edit> Good thing is, the forum only seems to have 4 members ( including WebShaman )</edit>

[This message has been edited by docilebob (edited 01-17-2003).]

Well...just spammed his forum...he'll have fun deleting...

Zeldman...now, where did I hear it from?

"Trust" is a dirty word that comes only from such a liar but "respect" is something I will learn...if you have faith!!

http://www.zeldman.com/ perhaps? Yannah, the person behind that site is a very respected and long standing member of the Internet as we know it. But then of course you could be confusing his name with the Legend of Zelda game?

[This message has been edited by Bugimus (edited 01-17-2003).]

The two are closer than you think.

I remember that now but I totally forgot it was called that. Cool beans.

This thread shocked me. I thought Jeff Zeldman really did that. Next time I wish to see a better thread title..

he put his board in super stealth mode but I used my leet hacking skillz to cipher it's whereabouts. Next I shall hack the gibson.

Jason

Hehe...he's really trying to avoid taking the ripped stuff down...*sigh*

Why do they always respond like that? Would be a lot easier, to apologize, and then take the ripped stuff down.

He's blocked my registered name, again, so I registered as YouRipper...hehe...

He's also blocking E-Mail addresses...

Thanks, JK...for the link.

WS: 'UR A L337 W/-\NK3R RIpp3R NOW, HUH?' you are funny



The programmer's national anthem is 'AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH''

Wolfen's Sig Site

OK, I wasn't sure how well this was going to work, but I did manage to change the title of this thread. Good thing it's a slow time of the [night/day/whatever], or I might have screwed someone else up! I didn't, did I?


Your pal, -doc-

What I posted on his forums... (sung to the barney theme song...)

I rip you...
You rip me...
We're a ripping family...
With the html and the javascript too...
We all wanna to rip like you.



The programmer's national anthem is 'AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH''

Wolfen's Sig Site