Preserved Topic: Zeldman is (not) a ripper (Page 2 of 3)

If it's about copyright infringement, let the original designers/artists deal with him. If the original designers/artists do not take the appropriate action, then the ripping fest will continue. While Cease & Desist letters might help, C&D letters with attorney backing will accomplish a lot more.

I really don't want to say about the flood of "you're a leet ripper" posts on his forums though. Hrm... I don't see how that accomplishes anything except wasting your valuable time.

What if he's doing this to gain attention? I mean, otherwise, he'd just shut it all down. He just wants the whole world to see his site, really. So what would happen if we just screwed this whole thing?

The problem is, that it's not all 'his' site...that the title page belongs to Zeldman...and that's not only wrong, but it is illegal. And to the point - if he needs to resort to ripping to get attention, then he has a problem, and I mean a big one. There are plenty of legal means of getting attention...namely, by joining a forum (or whatever) and/or learning the skills necessary to design such a page. Play is one thing...and having someone's permission to use their work is also one thing...but ripping is plainly another.

Then, is his reaction...or lack of reaction, one could say. Yes, he is getting attention...but it is negative attention. It would be much easier, on him, to just drop the ripped stuff. Also, if one just ignores this, it only serves as encouragement, especially later. One could say, that we are doing a favor, and letting him know, in no uncertain terms, that his behavior is wrong, and illegal.

By not reacting to this, it will only encourage him, IMHO. I have seen this type of stuff, again and again...they start ripping young, and grow up to be 'better' rippers, later... and tend to use the excuse 'Oh, I didn't know that that was wrong' when caught...well, now he knows.

Well...he's dropped the forum...looks like he has either renamed the start URL for the forum or has shut it down, for now...but the Main page is still there...

[This message has been edited by WebShaman (edited 01-17-2003).]

Well, by the looks of it, he's pretty good at ripping. I've heard he's ripped other sites as well in the past. Perhaps he's trying to get in the newspapers?

Hehehe...someone calling themselve's 'Ripman' just put a good one up there on his forum.

here's his whois data:
http://www.register.com/whois-results.cgi?ee3a07e4abb7a1810d53f869b9e8a979449dcb275ddf0c35501162ef6f5690fb297f7de02f02ec208d424af44f536b62

Rippers baaad!

We also have IP traces, through WHOIS:

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Organization:
AT&T Corp.
Corporate Administrator
32 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10013
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Phone: 908-221-5578
Fax..: 908-221-5581
Email: no.email.here@att.com

Registrar Name....: Register.com
Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com
Registrar Homepage: http://www.register.com

Domain Name: ATTBI.COM

Created on..............: Tue, Oct 02, 2001
Expires on..............: Sat, Oct 02, 2004
Record last updated on..: Mon, Apr 01, 2002

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AT&T Corp
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Email: abuse@ATTBI.COM

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8372 E. Broad Street
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Phone: 614-501-2720
Fax..: 614-501-2702
Email: william.h.holland@att.com

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.ATTBI.COM 204.127.198.4
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and VisualRoute:

This link still works...hehe...here

Looks like the forums are still there...just the index has been moved(or taken down, or renamed, whatever)...I guess he is actually reading this thread...so he knows that he has done wrong.

He's also not that smart...but then, we knew that already. I also send off an email.

Any word from Mr. Zeldman?

He should be happy -- his forum's getting plenty of activity. In fact, it's practically buzzing.

Maybe he rips people so his site gets a lot of hits for secret banners or something crappy.
http://www.nathanshor.com/emotions

BA HA HA HA HAHA HAH AHAHAHAHAHahah ha h ah .dfmgsmgd,m.. .. . ' ~ -

He needs one for "horny."

"Me sooo horny!"

Today I feel...like putting a damn shirt on!

I'm confused. Who is holdfold , and why are you taking up for him? Just like the others said, this is how we do things here.

Later,

C:\


~Binary is best~

Tom and I thought that this little piece I did wasn't bad





[This message has been edited by Skaarjj (edited 01-17-2003).]

[This message has been edited by Skaarjj (edited 01-17-2003).]

Hahaha

lol

Hehehe i dont mind donating a bit of space to skaarj for such an awsome piece of work......


Kind of Ironic, Having fun made out of ya by your own images, talk about giving the enemy perfect ammunition...ROCK ON SKAARJ




[This message has been edited by tomeaglescz (edited 01-17-2003).]

Hahaha!

Lol!!!

Oh man...that's gold, man...puuuure gold!

Good show, Skaarjj.

this thread has got to be archived even if its just for the sake of skaarj's image, that is a classic, they say pictures are worth a thousand words...

You funny bastard Wolfen Just read your posts at that place and before what you said in this thread. LMFAO&IWMP&PMSL!!!!!!!!
Mind you, LMAO @ Skaarjj's pic! *thumbs up*

They should have rules about little shits like this 13 yo kid having forums, webpages or anything like this or whatever. His too young I think and has got a foggiest as to whats going on.


"You don't know how paralysing that is, that stare of a blank canvas, which says to the painter: you can't do a thing." - Vincent Van Gogh

[This message has been edited by Luxo_Jr (edited 01-17-2003).]

Lol, great work Skaarjj

Any word from Zeldman yet?

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I think the addition of 'holdfold' in shor's defense is a little time suspicious don't you? 3 posts all in this thread and all in his defense? Leaves me wondering.

GrythusDraconis
I admire a man who can budget his life around his pint of Guinness and I envy a man who's wife will let him. ME, inspired by Suho1004 here.

I think it might be a good idea to stop spamming his forum so heavily as it does seem a little 'childish' and liable to muddy our good name

Try and engae him in constructive debate, etc. It might not work but I think we are more likely to make a change if we point out in a reasonable manner where he is actually going wrong - some people do have some funny ideas about copyright and putting him on the defensive isn't the best way of getting the message through.

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I agree. Lets try and be constructive, not destructive. I think it's a little early for him to get slapped in jail. But he does need to know what's going on. I'm not saying leave him alone. Lets just be a little more... gentile about it.

GrythusDraconis
I admire a man who can budget his life around his pint of Guinness and I envy a man who's wife will let him. ME, inspired by Suho1004 here.

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Lets just be a little more... gentile about it.

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Are you suggesting we're being too...Jewish?

Yeah, Wes, maybe we shouldn't crucify him just yet.

Perhaps a friendly email to his host about the activities would be in order, unless that's already done.

silence: Technically its not really our business - none of us have been ripped and no one has asked for our help. So we can grab information and pass it on those effected and express our concerns to the ripper but we don't have any authority to report them to their host as Zeldman may not wish to take it any further.

It does look like our friend should be filed under 'One to watch' - those repeat offenders are the trickiest ones

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... And where the fuck is RipperReport?!?


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uhhh... guys, the forums are now gone.... just to let you know... hehehe...

I emailed holdfold as soon as he asked me too to continue the conversation and I have not gotten any reply so I'm starting to think that was either our friend or one of his friends. Oh well. Has anyone gotten any replies back from Nathan about this?

This is a great site to look around, look at this gem: http://www.nathanshor.com/aip/
Not that its funny, but its prolly original content . . .

"I am planning to do a monthly journal kind of thing, "The Monthly Bowl," in correlation with The Daily Dish. It will consist of neat satirical articles--yes, kind of like in The Onion. "
Someone is obviously ready with their copy+paste hat on.

I really wanna see what he does next, should be a giggle.

edit: Have you read his short stories ? . . . priceless:
?John, what are you doing? Are you out of you mind?? asks the duck.
?No, Brewster, I?m fine?


It reminds me of the stories at: http://www.realultimatepower.net/ (but there a piss take)

[This message has been edited by Hugh (edited 01-18-2003).]

You ever seen a 13yr old kid with a mustrash before???? Looks closer to 16, maybe even 18.

I don't call that a mustache.

My nephew had something similar about that age, actually. Wasn't really a mustache, wasn't really...not one.

I guess you could say it was "not unlike a mustache."

No, he isn't 13. Unless he is a really early bloomer.

Actually he said 13 in his forum (not that I trust that guy ).

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Take a look now http://www.nathanshor.com/

Sufficiently unripped?

This falls into the category of "People Unclear on the Concept."

and...just to be Australian on the subject, it also falls into hte category of 'Complete and utter Mad Drongos'

Say, I like both of those actually, but here's my take (a dumbed-down version of PT's): "People who Just Don't Get It."

I also took the time to read through some of his crap, and I found these two gems quite amusing...

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Working on a school project, knowing someone who speaks a different language, or just for plain fun, we all at some point use a translator--in this case, let's say dictionary.com's translator. But they aren't perfect, I mean, all languages are different.

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OK... so the reason that computer translation programs suck is that all languages are different? Well, yeah, I guess they would work pretty well if all languages were the same.

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I just finished reading The Catcher In The Rye. It¡¯s a pretty good book.

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That's his entire post. Sounds 13 to me, if not chronologically, then at least mentally.