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damn....yesterday i made i great mistake....i took a turn on one of those streets and found that it was being ruled by street urchins....u can imajin what happened...
(they thanked there Gods 4 delivering them prey right at their doorstep)......
i lost my fancy cell phone and a watch( from my girlfriend).........
phew i put up a deadly fight but they were so many...atleast two of them lost their teeth....
Who knows how to send those laser guided missles??....i could give u the coordinates.

If you fought them and lost, I hope you made it out without any great injuries of your own. Good job putting up a fight -- might make them think twice next time. On the other hand, it might make them bring a knife next time... I keep mentioning this, and I don't know if anyone's reading it.

I don't know about laser-guided missiles, but I carry a stout wooden cane everywhere I go. Just don't actually walk on it when you want to use it as a deterrent; if you're in a sticky neighborhood, carry it like a sword and people will get the message. If you actually have to fight with it, you've already lost 90% of the battle, of course; but if it does come down to combat, a specially-made combat cane is quite a deadly device.

Street urchins?

You were mugged by Oliver Twist?

The best deterrent, though, is being ultra-aware of your surroundings at all times, and avoiding dangerous situations before you walk into them. Running like crazy also usually works, as long as you can run fast. Pretty much anything you can do to avoid a fight.

At least you were not injured. That is something to be thankful for. Next time, though, just run. Turn tail and run as fast as you can to a place with a lot of people.

PT: Yup, I've read it.





www.liminality.org

Hehe...street urchins? I'm having a hard time trying to picture this...how old were they?

I would have ran first...of course, I would have just avoided the area altogether...but running in the face of overwhelming odds is a very wise tactic.

And yes, PT, I've read it...every page. It's very interesting. And full of really good advice and tips.

Well, binary, at least all that you lost were material things...that can be replaced, unlike an eye, or your life.


WebShaman

Yikes dude where do you live?




Maskkkk

- Face the Present
- AIM: MASKKKK

Come on, Mas4k, he lives under the bridge! We all know that places like that are inhabited by trolls and other unsavory elements of society.

damn dude! I think I would have just got the hell out of there if I could have. I'm not one to back down from a fight by no means but the "street urchins" that I have came across like to carry pistols and shit.

But, as long as you got out still alive and lost a couple of things, you did well young Jedi.

Later,

C:\


~Binary is best~

PT: why do i get the feeling you used to such encounters. (Gosh u even know a website for canes... ). Anyway Thanks for the info.

Suho: That is exactly what i do...RUN...but this time round i had taken like 5 beers.. so u can imajin what was going thro my mind at the moment...( i was Bruce Lee reborn plus Mike Tyson with sharpened teeth....i was better than Bush)

Wes: does their age matter??....i think their number is what matters.

Quite the contrary -- I make a practice of living as safely as possible, and if my situation looks even a little bit dangerous, I get the hell out as quickly as possible. Therefore, I haven't had the pleasure of growing "accustomed" to bad situations. And I rest easier knowing it.

As for the cane, I was introduced to the weapon by my taekwondo instructor. We were discussing the relative merits of various traditional martial arts weapons (the staff is one of the best, the nunchaku are among the worst), and he showed me his cane style. It's equal to the staff in speed, and excels it in power, unpredictability, and versatility. What's more, you can carry it around anywhere without arousing suspicion, which is more than you can say of most other weapons. You can even get it through airport security, as long as you make a point of leaning heavily on it from the moment you set foot on airport grounds.

Is there a conflict between studying the martial arts, and avoiding danger with the greatest of determination? None at all; certainly a little martial arts training will make you eager to get into a fight and show off your skills, a lot of martial arts training will make you more keenly aware of just how easily you can be hurt, crippled for life, or even killed. You can't tap out in a street fight; and your attacker isn't going to give you a standing eight.

Binary - I think Wes' point was that the term 'street urchin' brings immediately to mind a group of ragged orphaned 9 year olds with funny british accents who only want to be loved

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but this time round i had taken like 5 beers.. so u can imajin what was going thro my mind at the moment...( i was Bruce Lee reborn plus Mike Tyson with sharpened teeth....i was better than Bush)

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Ah, I see. Yes, I can attest to the fact that beer will make you do things you normally wouldn't do...

And to add to what PT said (concerning the "contradiction" of studying martial arts and avoiding conflict), I was never faced with such a conflict in my training, because our sensei taught us that martial arts was not about fighting, it was a way of life. If you look at it that way, there is no contradiction.

About carrying weapons: if you do decide to carry a weapon with you, make sure that you are proficient with it. If you are not, your attacker may be, and if he takes it away from you in a fight you have just made him stronger.

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binary - WS asked how old they were, not me. (Although it was again in reference to the oddly chosen term "street urchins.")

But your apparently defensive reaction to the topic of their age makes me think you got your ass whooped by a group of 9 year olds.



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PT and Suho: please explain something to me....whats the point of learning martial arts and never experimenting...it's like learning how to drive and yet never taking the ride...or watching pr0n and yet never tring out the styles

ps. i notice im no longer a lunatic im a maniac..lol...can someone explain this???

binary: You have voiced a common misconception concerning the martial arts. The goal of learning how to drive is to drive a car (not sure if the goal of watching pr0n is to learn new styles, but if you say so ;-)), but the goal of learning martial arts is not to beat the living crap out of people (nor is it to become a really bad movie star, although I can see how some people might think that). The goal of martial arts is to become more in tune with yourself and your surroundings, and to train your body and mind so that you are prepared to deal with whatever situations may arise.

Fighting is only one of the methods of dealing with such situations, and it should be the last resort. The reason PT said that you have already lost if you get into a fight is because you should have been able to avoid the situation all together. If I avoid a situation completely (whether by running or by simply not putting myself in a dangerous situation), I can guarantee that I will not be harmed in that situation. The same cannot be said if I get into a fight. Yes, I may beat the little snot to a bloody pulp and not even be scratched. But I cannot possibly know all the variables in the situation (like, for example, whether or not he's carrying a gun) and I cannot guarantee success and survival.

Let me tell you a story. My sensei once had a student who came into the dojo one day looking pretty shaken up.

"Sensei," he said. "I was just in Harlem, and some guy came up to me and crossed two knives against my neck. I couldn't move an inch, and his partner took everything I had. What should I have done?"

Sensei looked at him for a moment before replying, "You should have stayed out of Harlem."

Pretty funny, huh? Well, I found it funny. The point my sensei was making, though, is not a laughing matter. At least the student had the sense to stay still--he could've ended up with a slit throat.

There is more than just the safety issue, of course. As I mentioned above, the goal of martial arts is to train your body and mind, not just your body. Yes, you may physically be able to harm someone, but if that's all you've taken away from martial arts then you've only taken away half--and the lesser half at that. Someone who has trained their mind (spirit, heart, whatever) will be able to remain calm and avoid putting themselves in danger. That is true victory.

Of course, there may be situations where you cannot avoid a fight. In situations like those, it is good to know that you are not defenseless. However, I will say that I have never once had to use my skills outside the dojo--and I hope I never will.

I hope that answers your question.

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ps. i notice im no longer a lunatic im a maniac..lol...can someone explain this???

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Oh, that's simple: any inmates who are mugged are immediately given maniac status. When they are finally able to overcome the trauma of being mugged (generally through psychiatric treatment and repeated shock therapy sessions), they are given lunatic status. This sometimes takes a while, though, so there's no sense wasting any more time. I'll expect to see you down in the basement ASAP for your first shock therapy session.

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I've tested my fighting abilities many times, sometimes against people far bigger than me, sometimes against up to eight opponents at once, sometimes while blindfolded, sometimes for as long as a half-hour without stopping, while fresh opponents attack every three minutes. They call it "sparring."

A good school will give you opportunities to test and expand your fighting ability in a training situation. If I can say "hey, Mike, try and kill me with that rubber knife," why in God's name would I want to risk getting killed with a real one?

edit: Oh, and ditto everything Suho said, of course. The man's 100% right.

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Yep. Master Suho has the goods...

I have never been mugged. The reason? I've never allowed myself to be put in a situation where a mugging could occur. There have been times, when it could have (or probably would have) occured, had I not of identified the situation beforehand, as being one of potential danger.

As for fighting experience, hmm...sparing is good, for practice. But nothing can really offset the actual experience itself. A real fight is much, much different from practice...or sparing. Namely, in a real fight, there are rarely 'second-chances', and mistakes are often severely punished. This type of experience is crucial, IMHO, to becoming a 'good fighter'. The best fighters, however, know how to win a fight, before it actually begins, in that they avoid it altogether. Pride, ego, rage, and low self-confidence, have nothing to do with real fighting...to have to fight, normally means that you have already lost.

The exceptions to this, are 'high-risk' jobs, like security, bouncing, etc, that intentionally put one in harms way. In such jobs, it is MHO that one know exactly what one is doing...and is aware of the possible consequences, both personal and professional (and legal, btw).

Have I always won fights? No. IMHO, someone who has always won, is not a good fighter...one must also have the experience of losing, to help balance the wins...otherwise, one tends towards the 'I'm invicinable' illusion...I've seen it often enough, during my years of bouncing. The rule that always applies is - there is always someone better. With that realization, comes truth : better to avoid fighting altogether...the best wins, IMHO.

Also, never mix drinking or drugs, with fighting...again, my bouncer years...drinking slows the reflexes, disturbs balance, and clouds judgement. Drugs...well, that's a whole other ballgame. Best to avoid them, altogether, if you are in a high-risk profession.