Preserved Topic: The Matrix Revolutions with spoilers and rant (Page 2 of 3)

insider: what moaiz said.

suho, yeah I have heard alot of people are rumoring that another matrixs will be made, but I strongly disagree: ITS OVER, no more shall be made....
and I guess none will


edit: ohh and insider, just cause I didnt like the movie and you did, this doesnt mean we should start argument. You don't like my post/oppion? don't read it I am not forcing you to, ignore it and everything will be pretty =)

[This message has been edited by Ruski (edited 11-09-2003).]

i can't think of more matrixs! i even couldn't after part 1, and i think more matrixs, just won't fit in the story.

btw, they are developing a matrix massively multiplayer online game!

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I don't like that movie. Why did they name it "Revolution"? What was the revolution?

Mas, thankyou so much.

Peace. It had never been seen before between the machines and the people.... That was what was new... revolutionary.

Bah, don't mean to double post...

But whilst thinking harder on Karma I came to realize a few more things that may make things clearer.

I think the whole movie was based on Karma, or at least that was one of the main themes. The Karma system is the belief that everything has a purpose. For example, if someone were to be living in poverty and another to be living in wealth, it is because of what they have done to deserve their fate, because it had a purpose. It's not like "well, that's life..."

So, throughout the trilogy The Oracle keeps repeating "Everything has a purpose," and "It has already been decided."

Another example of this would be when The Oracle asks Neo if he would like a piece of candy in Reloaded. Neo replies back with something arrogant like "Why do you ask me this if you already know what I am going to say?" And The Oracle replies with "Because you have a choice."

Choices!

Maybe this little, completely hypothetical, scenario I have created, can help you understand that.

Let's say that back during the days of the Spanish Inquisition, there were Jews living in Europe. Let's say that these Jews believed in Karma. Well when someone finds out that they aren't Catholic, and they tell the local Clergy, the Jews may think that it was destined to be, because of fate. So they think that they are going to die because they didn't believe, like that gave them Bad Karma. Well, is there something they could do to escape death? Like escape to another country before they are arrested? But why would they even try to change the future if it has already been perceived? Because they choose to! No matter what they choose, it will have had a purpose, and will have already been decided. If they chose to stay and die, it's because it was their inevitable Karma, and it has already been decided. If they chose to escape, it's because it was their inevitable Karma, and it has already been decided.

So when Agent Smith is talking to Neo at the end of Revolutions and says something like "WHY?! WHY ARE YOU STILL FIGHTING? YOU KNOW I'M GOING TO WIN!" Neo replies.... "Because I choose to." You can't change the future... So no matter what Neo does, it was inevitable. If Neo lost, and Zion was destroyed, the Architect would have rebuilt Zion, it was already decided. If Neo won, and Zion was saved, and the war was over, it had already been decided. But by what? Karma....

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the Architect would have rebuilt Zion

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call me stupid, but thats what i still not understand - is the "real" world in the matrix too?

This is a theory of a member of the matrix fans-forums
see the full thread overe here --> http://forums.matrixfans.net/showthread.php?threadid=18223&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

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Neo is a machine, kinda. He is a human with enhanced genetics, enhanced implants, and a machine programmed mind (probably based on a "The One" template program). That's why, at the end of Revolutions, when his body is being taken away, he is shown as an orange glow. The orange glow is how the machines see each other, and therefore how they see Neo. It is also how Neo sees Smith inside Bane... he is seeing the machine program of Smith inside Bane's mind, and therefore it is an orange glow in the shape of the Smith.

But the orange glow isn't the only reason to believe Neo is a machine. Throughout the trilogy other hints are given, such as: "His neural kinetics are way above normal.", "He's a machine.", "Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication...", etc.

So if Neo is a machine, why was he created (as all machines must have a purpose)? He was created by the Oracle and the Architect to be The One. As the Architect explains to him: "Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix... Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of The One... The function of The One is now to return to the Source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program."

Translated, the Architect is explaining that Neo was designed to be a religious figure to the freed humans, thus causing them to put their faith (hope) in Neo and to rally around him ("...sum of a remainder..."). This helps to ensure that the freed humans are focused on Neo instead of war, and to keep them all together in one place, Zion (which was built by the machines for this purpose also). Neo is a form of control in the real world.

And just to make sure that Neo carries out his part of their plan, the machines programmed him with "... a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the [humans]." This, along with his enhanced abilities and the "guidance" of the Oracle, keeps him on the intended course.

The Architect also states that "The function of The One is now to return to the Source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program." This simply means that The One program in Neo's mind is the most important (prime) program in the Matrix, and that now that his mission (purpose) is complete, he must return to the source for deletion (all machines must have a purpose). The phrase "... temporary dissemination..." means that the The One program will be used again in the next version of the Matrix. This is also why Neo's choice of the left door will destroy the Matrix, as there can be only one The One in the Matrix at any time. By staying in the Matrix Neo is preventing it from being reloaded, as a reload will do nothing without another The One for the next version. (In programming terms he is the highest priority task, and he will not release the Matrix program's main semaphore.)

OK, so The One is a human with enhanced genetics, enhanced implants, and a machine programmed mind, and was created by the Oracle and the Architect to carry out a specific purpose (form of control in and out of the Matrix) in each iteration of the Matrix. Now let's see how The One fits in with the entire story of the trilogy.

As is explained, the Matrix was created by the Architect, at the end of the war with the humans, as a way to control the humans and use them as a power source (I know, hard to believe...). The first Matrix was "... quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime.", while the second Matrix was redesigned "... to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature." Basically Heaven and then Hell. In both cases, however, no conscious choice was given to the humans as to whether or not they wanted to believe in the reality of the Matrix. This caused the majority of humans to reject the Matrix and die ("... whole crops were lost.").

To solve this problem the Oracle was created, and realized correctly that the humans needed to be given a choice: "Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche... she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level." So by giving humans a choice, even at an unconscious level that only 0.1% are ever aware of, they accepted the Matrix.

Unfortunately for the machines, however, a majority of the 0.1% who were aware of the choice usually chose the real world over the Matrix. "While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster." The machines therefore also needed a way to control the 0.1% of the humans who chose the real world over the Matrix, thus Zion and The One were created.

As was explained earlier, Zion was built by the machines to ensure that the freed humans would all gather in one place, and The One was created to be their religious figure, helping to distract them from renewed war with the machines. Both forms of control.

But even with Zion and The One, the unpredictability of choice ("systemic anomoly") still forced the machines to occasionally "reload" the Matrix. This always occurs when The One reaches the Source, which he can only do after attaining the level of power necessary for him to defeat the Merovingian, obtain the Keymaker, etc. The One program is then temporarily reinserted into the Source (machine mainframe), in preparation for the next iteration of the Matrix. In the process the machines gain the knowledge and experiences of The One, allowing them to better predict the future behavior of the humans, and thus reduce the systemic anomolies.

So that is the situation at the start of the sixth iteration of the choice-Matrix. Luckily for the humans, however, the Oracle does not want them to be enslaved in the Matrix any longer, or for the freed humans to be killed. She therefore decides to take a risk and use Neo to bring about a "revolution".

In M1 (The Matrix) she meets with The One, Neo, as she has done in the five previous iterations of the Matrix. Normally she simply helps guide The One to his meeting with the Architect. Except this time the Oracle gives Neo a special cookie, which he eats. The cookie isn't actually a cookie, though, it's an upgrade to Neo's program. Since the Oracle created the The One program, she can predict exactly what Neo will do in the future, specifically how he will destroy Smith (from the inside, with some copying from Neo to Smith occuring). She therefore includes in the program upgrade code that will give Smith the ability to replicate himself, and for Neo and Smith to see the future as she does.

In M2 (The Matrix Reloaded) Neo plays out his role as The One, meeting with the Architect. However, due to his love for Trinity he chooses the left door, preventing the Matrix from reloading. This was seen in advance by the Oracle, as she has the ability to predict Neo's behavior (as explained above) as well as human behavior in general (due to the nature of her program). She therefore told Trinity that she would fall in love with Neo (in M1), all the while knowing it would eventually cause Neo to choose the left door.

In M3 (The Matrix Revolutions) the Oracle's plan comes to fruition. While the machines begin their assualt on Zion (for the sixth time), Smith continues to replicate himself throughout the Matrix. Neo, on the otherhand, is stuck in the train station. Apparently, fulfilling his mission to meet with the Architect unlocks some section of his program that allows Neo to use his enhanced implants to once again become part of the machine collective (perhaps because of the Oracle's upgrade?). He is therefore able to sense and control other machines wirelessly. The first example of this is when he stops the sentinels at the end of M2. Since he is not quite ready to use his new abilities, however, his program gets stuck at the security checkpoint of the Matrix, the train station.

In the train station Neo meets with Rama Kandra, his wife, and their daughter Sati. Rama and his wife are both machines from the real world who can jack into the Matrix, like all other machines, and live human lives. Sati is a program created by these two machines out of love, which Rama explains to Neo is not out of the grasp of the machines. They are on their way back into the Matrix to leave Sati with the Oracle for safe keeping, as any program without a purpose is deleted.

After being rescued from the train station by Trinity, Morpheus, and Seraph, Neo is helped out of the Matrix using the standard jack. While aboard the Hammer he has another vision of the future, this time of the three power lines leading from the Matrix power station to 01, the machine city (he is able to see the power lines due to his newfound connection to the machine collective). He therefore takes the Logos, along with Trinity, and leaves for 01. Along the way he confronts the stowaway Bane (who has the Smith program inside of him), and is blinded by him. Although blind, Neo is still able to see other machines (orange glow), including the Smith program inside Bane, which he uses to defeat Bane. He also uses his power to control other machines to detonate the bombs fired at the Logos by the 01 defenses.

Meanwhile Smith is replicating out of control in the Matrix, and eventually confronts the Oracle after taking over Seraph and Sati. They have a brief conversation in which he calls her "Mom", referring to the fact that she helped to create him (along with the Architect) as well as Neo (part of his program now). The Oracle then tells Smith to "Do what you came here to do.", so he takes over her as well. The newly formed Smith then stands up and laughs hysterically, foreshadowing the events at the end of the movie.

Eventually the Logos crashes in 01, but not before Neo gets a top-down view of the orange glowing city with his newfound machine-vision (notice the fractal patterns). Unfortunately Trinity is killed in the crash, and explains to Neo that both of them have been living on borrowed time. Neo since he was ressurected by Trinity, and Trinity since she was ressurected by Neo. Both are meant to die and Trinity is simply happy for the oportunity this time to tell Neo how she feels about him. (But shame on the brothers for killing off Trinity in such a lame way. Couldn't she have at least died trying to save the ship, not just letting it crash!)

Neo then leaves the Logos and enters the machine building into which it crashed (the building is seen in the same orange glowing machine-vision). He is then confronted by the Deus Ex Machina, who knows that Neo is the only one who can stop Smith from destroying the Matrix, but still shows hatred toward Neo (due to the fact that he is mostly human). After a show of force, the Deus Ex Machina agrees to peace with the humans in exchange for Neo's promise to destroy Smith. This causes the sentinels to halt their attack on the Zion temple, the last holdout of the remaining humans (the dock and city have already been destroyed).

The machines then jack Neo into the Matrix, since he has not yet masterred the ability to do so wirelessly (this theme of Neo having to learn to use his new abilities runs throughout the trilogy). Neo then confronts Smith, who says he has seen the future, and that he (the one particular Smith) is the one that defeats Neo. The other Smiths (all of the other people in the Matrix have now been taken over by him) therefore only watch as the fight begins.

After a brutal battle Neo is near defeat, but continues to fight. When asked why he does so, Neo responds "Because I choose to.", echoing the theme in M2 that "Everything begins with choice." (the only way humans achieve true freedom). But even though he delivers a stunning punch to Smith which sends him through the ground, Neo is eventually defeated. Before Smith takes him over he pauses, however, realizing that he has seen this very moment in his visions, and he already knows what he is going to say. "Everything that has a beginning has an end..." he mutters confusedly. This causes Neo to realize that the Oracle still exists somewhere inside of Smith, and that she is partially able to control his thoughts. Taking his cue from the Oracle, Neo freely gives himself to Smith.

Thus Neo is defeated, and Smith's original purpose, to defeat The One (which he is never really expected to achieve, which leads to his bad temperment) is accomplished. Smith therefore no longer has a purpose and must be deleted. But since programs marked for deletion must return to the source, how is Smith to be deleted? Simple, the machines send the command through Neo, into Smith, using a burst of energy. This causes all of the Smith clones, and the original Smith, to be deleted, leaving the original inhabitants of the bodies he has taken over (this is a basic function of the agent programs, that they leave their hosts as they found them, with death being the only exception).

This then completes another revolution in the Matrix cycle, as The One has reached the Source and has reinserted the prime program (Neo's program, his knowledge and experiences). The Matrix is then reloaded back to it's initial state, the late 20th century.

The Oracle then meets with Sati, Seraph, and the Architect in a park outside the city as the sun rises over it. The Architect tells her that she was playing a "very risky game", and she asks him if he will honor the promise of peace. He says that he will, since he is not human (meaning humans do not keep their promises, an insult). This means that those people who unconsciously become aware of the Matrix and choose to leave will be freed, and those living in Zion will not be killed. The war between man and machine is over, or at least suspended.

Looking upon the sunrise the Oracle asks Sati if that was her doing, and the girl responds that she did it for Neo (made the sun rise). Apparently Neo's experience with love, which was uploaded from him to the Source, caused the machines to show pity on Sati and give her a purpose instead of deleting her. She is now in control of the sun. Sati also asks the Oracle if they will ever see Neo again, and the Oracle replies that they might, indicating that the The One program will be used again in the future, as it had been for the previous six iterations of the Matrix. M3 therefore ends where M1 began, except that now the humans who become aware of the Matrix will be freed (a decent compromise if you ask me).

Whew, done! Hopefully this helped those of you who were confused like me after seeing M3 for the first time. I know that I am not 100% correct in what I've said here (perhaps only 50%), but it's a nice starting point. Maybe others can build on it to make it even more correct and useful. Thanks for reading!

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Wow, it's all so simeple.

That's a pretty good theory about what it all means. Nicely explained.

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That is quite a nice theory. It may not be 100% correct, but it sounds very plausible and well thought out. I must admit that I didn't really get a lot of what went on, and that explanation does clear some things up. Right or not, it does seem to make some things clearer.

One thing I'm wondering about, though, is this whole "choice" thing. So, the reason that the first few iterations of the Matrix failed is because humans weren't given a choice about their existence? What about our present existence? Were we given a choice? I know I wasn't. Maybe I'm missing something here--maybe the humans were aware on a very basic level that the Matrix wasn't real (I think that's the idea, at least). Still, though, it seems like the principle of choice would still apply to our real world. I dunno... just pondering.


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Hey Ini, why is it so impossible for you to verbalize your opinions without attacking other people and sounding like a complete asshole? I mean seriously man, it is possible to intelligently discuss a topic without resulting to petty insults.

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Nice of you to prove WS's point for him ini.

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Whoo. Some likeed it, some didn't. Does anyone here expect to make anybody else switch opinions? At some point people need to take a step back before they can honestly judge something. Remember, when the first matrix came out, the reviews ranged from "one long, over-produced action sequence" to "A total testosterone rush". For fun, some reviewer said: "It's no (thing as good as) Dark City".

(People might wonder: "What the hell is Dark City?" That's exactly my point.)

Only in time we'll be able to tell if the matrix series is as good or as bad as you think it is. Even after 4 years, I still notice new things in the first matrix movie, and the absolute snese of detail the movie has. I think that a 1 or 2 time viewing with a rigid mindset is not a good basis for a solid review.



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It does make you think Ini. Take a look at the very page you pointed out to us. It's about 40 pages long of the person's thoughts about the movie.

So yes, I would say it does make you think. So what is your problem with WS liking to think? I really doubt he was saying that people who didn't like the movie can't think. Lighten up a bit.

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yah, i strongly agree with krets. WS just liked the movie, because he likes to think...thats his opinion. i think nobody over here feels pissed off, after reading this.

Especially since he wasn't the only, nor the first, person to mention that here. It isn't that we don't think you CAN, or don't WANT to think. It's that people who didn't like the movie wanted to see exactly what THEY wanted to see in such terms as THEY wanted them to be in. Hence, they wanted to be given what they wanted, rather than finding what they sought in what was given to them. But taking particular offense to a comment that wasn't directed anywhere but the digital ether is just looking to make enemies IMO. That and a worthwhile search for high blood pressure.

I like the quote pulled off of matrix-explained.com

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"I know, I know, my statements above are probably exaggerated since Revolutions may create a new kind of "Matrix Fan" who likes exactly its concept of "Just ask, don't answer anything". Overanalyzing for the sake of overanalyzing. "

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That link is 40 pages of what several people have thought about the movie and yes it made people think. The very first thought I think I thunk was "...this should have been a better movie"

we dont want to stop and think halfway through the goddamn movie. we want to be entertained, and although the matrix made you think, it didnt require three sleepless nights and 6 litres of coffee. without thinking, i thought the movie completely sucked.



Hopefully that answers your question. Well, not really.

mahjqa: I just read that review, and I am stunned. I saw Dark City, and personally I thought it sucked some really large moose balls. You want cheese? Dark City has it in spades, especially the ending. I wonder if it's really possible for a movie in this genre coming out of Hollywood not to have a cheesy ending...

[Oh, and InI: for me the whole point is not whether or not WS insulted anyone, but how you reacted to it. Even if his remark was insulting, you didn't have to come back with such a vitriolic reply, did you? You could have just let it roll off your back, or ignore it completely, and there would have been no problem. At least that's my take on it.]

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I like to think and I didnt like the movie HAHAHA :P

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I saw Dark City, and personally I thought it sucked some really large moose balls.

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Exactly. Once again proves that a reviewer's opinion, or anyone's really, is worth crap.

I apologize if you took that wrong, Ini...maybe first asking what I meant would have cleared things up first. Krets said it well - I personally like movies, that make me think. Period. Thus, I found the movie to be brilliant.

Nothing more, nothing less. It's definitely not a comment aimed at others, or suggesting that other people don't think, or that people who do not like the Matrix don't think.

Hope that clears that up. Onwards!

I've just been to see it and I have mixed emotions - it had been panned by everyone I know (in real life) who'd seen the movie and the trailers didn't really work for me so I wasn't expecting much when I went to see it. So I was pleasantly suprised when the invasion of Zoin passed all my expectations and just when I was thinking I wouldn't mind a bit more Matrix-stlye fighting in it popped (admittedly the rain fighting scene didn't match with any of the others in the previus films - it may just be that that kind of combat in that scenario is going to be a bit of a retread but also, as moaiz said, the CG let it down). That said while I enjoyed the bulk of the film the ending let it down and I find myself more in accord with moaiz - they threw out vast numbers of threads and ideas in the first two movies and then really did very little with it in the end - very disappointing. I knew that to win Neo had to die but that just seemed weak all round - poor concept poorly executed.

But its only my opinion - I'll read through those resources later and see if I change my opinion.

One thing that confused me was the little girl - she was being put on the train to take her out of the Matrix and yet she was back in the Matrix next time we see her - did I miss something?

I do like InSiDeR's idea about the cookies - she was a program with no purpose so would have been deleted but after a quick cookie (see conputer cookies are good) she could do multi-coloured sunsets (nice trick).

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I have been reading all of this stuff and I have noticed that the people who hate the ending haven't suggested a better one.

I wonder what they expected.

Did they want the Logan's Run ending?
For those who haven't seen Logan's Run:
Logan destroys the city while trying to escape it and all the people climb outside to see the real world for the first time and then human civilization can begin again.

It would have been really easy for the Matrix Trilogy to end that way.

Still, the Matrix Universe smacks a little of 'Cosby-ism'.
All that 20th century stuff looks a little too perfect.
I know, I know....

Emperor, she was actually being snuck INTO the Matrix.

SPyX: Thats the only way things could have worked but I thought the reason they were putting her on the train was to stop her being deleted by the Matrix as she had no purpose.

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Not deleted in the Matrix Emps, her parents were programs running in the machine world. They wanted to take her to the Matrix to be protected and once there she was given a purpose so she would not be deleted.

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Clicky II Though not as funny as Suho's link.

You want an end? I read this about a couple of hours after I saw the movie (in my quest to quench the "WTF?" that Moaiz spoke about), as far as I'm convinced, this is what happened in the third movie..... I am erasing what I saw in the theater 'cause, frankly, it wasn't any good...

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The movie begins with the now-familiar green text and title, and we return the table with Bane and Neo in their comatose states. The camera pans over Bane's head, and dissolves to show the top of a building, Metacortex, which is otherwise empty save for an elderly black woman standing at the edge. The camera leans over, showing us the street below, where an army of Agent Smiths is running around, assimilating people exponentially quick.

The Architect suddenly appears beside the woman, explains that this type of security breach was not possible in the earlier, more perfect versions of the system, and blames her for tainting it. She rolls her eyes and says, "Some things never change." He says "But you have." Now identified as the Oracle, making no excuses, she asks him what they're going to do about the problem below.

Suddenly, there is a loud banging noise and the door to roof bursts open, and an Agent smith runs across the roof towards her with his hand stretched out. He is blocked by Seraph who easily destroys the single drone by throwing him off the edge. "They are weak" Seraph says, "but there is strength in numbers." The camera cuts to the base of the building where the assimilating smiths drop overpowering the humans and begin running into the bottom of the building ("We've found her."

At this point, the camera cuts back and forth between a rooftop conversation with the Oracle and the Architect and the Smith virus running rampant through the building, assimilating people they go and gaining in numbers. The Oracle and the Architect remain calm, slowly walking towards the door, just at the same time as we see Smith approaching it. The Oracle's last words are "I'll talk to him. There's still time." just before opening the door revealing a white corridor. Both of them step through, and the second the door shuts it bursts open, and hundreds of smiths pop out on the empty roof, upset.

We cut to a shot of Zion's council discussing the drilling that continues above them. They are aware of Neo's failed Journey to the source and the effort to stop the war. People begin to panic, but the chancellor remains confident. They make the decision to mobilize every available human in the city to fight the impeding threat. When someone on the council asks the chancellor why he is not worried, he simply repeats the wise words of a man he trusts: "We are still here."

We return to the shot of Neo and Bane in their coma. The camera pans back over Neo's head and dissolves to show him in a Train station. He is disoriented and people are walking past him contemptuously as if he's a homeless person. A little girl, who identifies herself as Rama-Kandra, refuses to ignore him sitting there and tries to make sure he's okay. Her father is noticeably upset at first, but then seems to turn white. His wife asks him what's wrong, and then we cut to the Merovingian's restaurant in Reloaded.

We witness a conversation between the Merovingian and the unidentified man. Mero is screaming, asking if the "software abstraction" known as "purgatory" is indeed possible. The man, a software developer, refuses to talk at first. "I am not going to build you a prison for rogue programs!" He insists. Mero eventually convinces him that it's in his best interest, by showing telling him he's wired a particular piece of food in his restaurant directly to the lifeline of the person most dear to him. "My daughter!" he yells, and Mero smiles. "Everyone stop eating!" the man yells, and the entire restaurant goes silent. People stand there for a moment in disgust, before the man sheds a tear, and Mero sends one of his goons to escort them out the side door, just as he notices Neo enter.

We cut back to the two comatose men lying on their backs. The crew of the ship marches back in, and a pissed Morpheus looks at Bane and says "I'm going to kill you for what you've done!" but another crewmember stops him. "No! Watch this!" The member takes a small pin to Bane's hand and pricks him in the centre of his palm with it. Trinity puts her knuckle in her mouth as neo winces, and a drop of blood suddenly appears in his hand. They explain that it's called Stigmata, and it's something they'd only ever seen in the Matrix before, when two entities become inextricably linked. "How can this be happening? How did Neo stop the sentinels? This doesn't make any sense!"

We cut to a side room where Persephone walks in to talk to the Indian man. She demands the key to purgatory. He sobs for a second, then pulls out a plastic lipstick container and hands it over. She looks confused. "All it takes is a kiss,? he says. Persephone smiles, and runs down the corridor beside a sign that says "Elevator."

Back on the ship, the captain suggests that they kill Bane anyway. He's destroying the matrix, and killing so many innocent humans they've yet to free. Morpheus, no longer clinging to hope that Neo is the one, admits that maybe it's something they should consider, that Neo is likely in a coma in both worlds anyway. Trinity is understandably upset. And there is a moment of tension while they all let the idea marinate.

We inter cut with scenes from the train station. The man tries to snap Neo out of it, but it's obvious he's having difficulty understanding what's going on. A train enters the station and the man's paranoia increases. Rama-Kandra reaches into his pocket and pulls out a ragged metal spoon. Back on the ship, they hold Trinity back in tears as the captain moves towards Bane with a knife. Back in the train station, Neo looks at the spoon. "But how could that be here, in the Matrix?" He feels his arms, and there are no plugs. He concentrates on the spoon, and sure enough, it bends, but at the same time we cut to his body back on the ship, where the spoon is his pocket moves there too. Trinity, shocked, pulls it out of his pocket and watches it bend... "He's still alive!"... The captain looks at Bane, who twitches with excitement: "But so is he."

At this point there are various shots of the war brewing in Zion, and everyone preparing, crying and dealing with their loved ones. Battlemechs are stationed, a very lengthy and emotional sequence.

We cut back to the ship, where Trinity is stroking Neo's had like in the first Matrix and begging him for information. She tells him she loves him, and just as she does, his lips move and say "The Merovingian?" As if he's asking a question.

Back in the train station, we see Neo ask the same question. Rama and her family are helping him remember, but he can barely stand up. All of a sudden the train goes out of service, and the passengers inside all clear out. We cut to the driver of the train who is cocking a handgun and smiling. Neo, upset, asks Rama's father why he would have given Persephone the key to Purgatory, and he says, "I know, it's irrational, but I was threatened with the one I love the most." Neo cools down, and forgives him, saying he understands. All of a sudden, there is a gunshot as the train conductor jumps out shooting.

Back in the coma, both Bane and Neo get a bead of sweat on their forehead. Trinity says something like "I hope you're okay in there."

We go back to street level, where Smith is still assimilating people left right and center. A bead of sweat hits all of them on the forehead at the same time. And they say, "He's fighting..." another says "But where?" and then there's the echo of another gunshot in the subway. They all nod, and make a break for it.

Down in the subway we witness a spectacular fighting sequence between neo and the conductor and some other goons. As agent smith runs faster and faster, neo finds himself with more energy. At first he's losing, but he soon regains his powers, getting better and better. Eventually he defeats them, just as Smith runs down the subway staircase. Rama says, "Run!" to Neo, but he doesn't want to leave them for dead. "She's right... See the Oracle... Italian quarter" Her father says. Neo repeats it aloud, and it echoes back in the ship with Trinity. Trinity jumps to her feet and runs to tell Morpheus. Back in the subway, Neo, concerned about Rama and her family, says he can't leave them for death. Rama says he has no choice, which perplexes him. Then her mother says "Don't worry, we were almost out of here anyway." She opens a janitor's closet, revealing another hall of doors. Neo sees a bunch of Smiths coming in all the entrances to the subway and says to himself "Italian Quarter? That's at the end of the Loop." and jumps into the tunnel and starts running along the track.

There's another shot of the drills getting closer to Zion and the counsel getting all upset, wishing that they hadn't given in to false prophecies. The Kid interrupts them saying "How do you know it's false? Neo saved me!"

Back on the ship, Trinity and Morpheus plug themselves in and find themselves at night in the Italian quarter, where Seraph is waiting for them. He takes them down a hallway to see the Oracle, warns them that she has changed. The oracle, back in her kitchen, explains that it's important that Neo is saved. In her usual guessing games, she makes Trinity explain where they need to go next based on the information she has "The Merovingian", Neo's words. Morpheus and Trinity argue over whether or not they can take him on themselves, and the Oracle reminds them that they don't even know where he is anymore. She explains he's in a very exclusive club, but not to worry, because she's sending them with a VIP member. The camera pans to Seraph who smiles. "Neo's in Purgatory." He says. "Let's go to Hell." The oracle asks them to hurry, because she's expecting a guest.

Just as they leave, seconds later Neo arrives at the end of the tunnel, and sees Seraph, Morpheus and Trinity leave her building and get into a black car. He runs to meet them, but they don't notice and drive away. Fed up, he walks into the building they left, where he meets the Oracle, and she says he's right on time, as usual. He asks why she didn't tell Morpheus and Trinity to wait for him. She asks him why he ran down the tunnel instead of flying. He says he can't fly anymore, that he's weak. And then she says that's why she didn't want him to go with them, that there's no room for weak where they went.

He asks her questions about the Architect and whether the Matrix is doomed. She hands him a red pill and says that the threat of Smith is far greater to the robots than the threat of losing the Matrix. He asks her where they'll get their power, and she asks him where Zion gets their power. The earth's core. That's what the architect meant by different levels of survival they'd be prepared to accept. Neo asks if Zion can be saved, and the Oracle says that because he didn't reload the matrix, the robots are going to destroy it.

We cut to club hell. Trinity is disgusted to discover that the twins are alive and well, after their car exploded. They say something about the ability to become invincible is especially useful in the middle of explosions. There is a spectacular battle between them all. It ends on a sad note, as Seraph sacrifices himself to keep the twins visible long enough to die. Persephone, obviously back at Mero's side even makes a couple of gunshots.

Back in the oracle's office, Neo asks why he can only act in the matrix world and has no sensation in the real world. The oracle gives a wonderfully grandmother line about how children never want to take their pills. She says "The red pill, like many important things in life, come in threes." Neo unwraps the candy package from Reloaded revealing another red pill. He pops both in his mouth, and suddenly wakes up on the ship. He sits up, and in a wonderful piece of directing Bane wakes up too at the same time, yet they mirror each other's actions so much that they think at first it's a real mirror of their back. When they realize what's going on, they begin to fight in the ship's hull. It culminates with a blaze of lightning in Neo's face, blinding him. Back in the Oracle's kitchen, Neo says "I've got a problem, someone's fighting me here and I can't see." and the Oracle says, "You only destroyed your eyes in one world." All of a sudden, Neo starts to see things in Code in the real world, and Bane turns into a fire silhouette, revealing his true identity as Smith. Neo fights even harder, and manages to throw him through a hole in the bottom of the ship.

We cut back to Zion, and at this point the people inside are all prepared for battle, and the sentinels are so close that they can hear them. Everyone is nervous and more inspiring speeches are given. There are some wonderful shots of Zion's walkways, full of people. The Kid from the last movie and Animatrix comes back and proves to be a semi-useful warrior, despite coming close to death a few times.

Back in club hell, the Merovingian and Persephone are cornered. Mero dares Morpheus to kill him, that it wont bring Neo back. All of a sudden, Trinity looks at Persephone, and something clicks about the kiss they experienced. "No, but killing her might." All of a sudden Mero starts to sweat. "You wouldn't." And in a swift movie, Trinity says to him "You might not get Jealous, but I do" and shoots Persephone in cold blood.

In the Oracle's kitchen, there's a knock on the door. A bunch of Agent smiths begin to enter, and Neo assumes his battle stance before turning into green code and disappearing. Smith is disappointed at losing Neo, but is all too happy to destroy the Oracle and does so. At the same time, Bane's body, on the ground in the desert of the living turns into code and disappears the same way, separating them into real/matrix worlds.

Back in club Hell, Morpheus and Trinity call back to the ship and are surprised to hear Neo answer (who has re-united with the ship captain.) He gives them the address of a local phone, and they come back out of the matrix and re-unite. All is well, but there's that feeling that they've lost more than they've gained. Neo is still blind, wearing a blindfold over his face. The oracle is dead. Zion is about to be destroyed. They make the decision that the best thing to do is go back and fight the sentinels with the last of the human survivors.

This is where the third act of the movie begins, and there's a spectacular yet horrifying special effects sequence as Zion begins to get destroyed. The ship with Morpheus, Neo and Trinity approaches during the bloodshed helping out the best they can. They begin to lose the battle terribly, being vastly outnumbered and outgunned. Morpheus is convinced that there's got to be a better plan of attack. All of a sudden Neo is stunned with an epiphany. He asks Trinity, to describe what's going on around him and the captain says something like "Hah, you're good, but not good enough to fight without your vision." He insists, and Trinity describes the horror going on. When she stumbles upon the description of three huge power cables, Neo stands up in place.


He demands that they follow them. Trinity asks him what he's talking about, and he explains that the Oracle mentioned it to him. Morpheus, at this point, is terribly fed up. He used to be a believer, but he's seen too much. Things have gotten progressively worse, and he thinks he'd be better serving humanity by fighting than by chasing cables. The ship captain agrees, but Trinity stands by him regardless. However, at this point their ship is so badly damaged that it's almost useless to fight, so they hand it over. Neo and Trinity drop them off where they rejoin the fight on foot, now that the sentinels have started to destroy hundreds of people on the inside of Zion.

Neo tells Trinity to fly close to the cables, and scares her by describing the surroundings in detail. She observes that it doesn't make sense, but nothing has made sense ever since they met. Surprisingly, the sentinels aren't willing to blow up anything even remotely close to their ships, presumably because the cables provide some sort of important capability to them. The cables turn upwards, and they end up flying directly to the surface, in the middle of the desert to a place known as 01. The cables stop at a platform, and the ship lands. Neo and Trinity stumble out in front of an odd green doorway. She knocks on it, but it's solid. Neo, reaches out like a blind person, and is surprised that his hands go right through it, as if it's water. He tells her that he has to go alone. She asks if he knows what he's doing here, and he says he has a good idea. They exchange a kiss, as if it's their last.

Neo walks through the door, and the second he does he finds that his eyes have repaired themselves. He's in a psychedelic hallway that changes color, and all alongside him are weird looking creatures staring at him. He walks the length, and is presented with another green door. He walks through it, and is disoriented when he finds himself on top of a cliff. A huge robot shows up and speaks to him in a metallic voice. In its center is a screen with faces that change depending on what it's talking about.

He tells the robot leader that the Smith virus is endangering both of their species, that although they hate each other they're going to have to work together to defeat him. Neo only wants one thing in return, to leave Zion alone so that he can reload the matrix like he sound have done in the first place. The robots agree, and the sentinels attacking Zion suddenly stop fighting and fly away (there's a huge victory celebration.) At this point, Zion has been ruptured, so Neo has the robots get the access codes from Trinity so that he can relay a message. He explains what is happening, and what he's going to do. Many people disagree, but they admit he had not done it; they all would have died at the mercy of the sentinels anyway (so at least this buys them time.)

Back in the matrix, we observe as Smith has taken over every single human being. There are literally millions of him running around. At first you think he's just destroying things in the virtual world, and then you realize what he's doing -- taking out every single phone except for one.

Neo returns to Trinity's ship and asks her to relay the feed of the matrix to Zion (and to 01) so that people can watch what's going on. She agrees, and he jacks in. Inside the matrix, it's raining, and Neo pops out of a phone booth on a street full of Agent Smiths. Like old war generals, Neo and the original Agent Smith meet in the middle of the road like gentleman. Neo tells him that his reign of terror on the Matrix is over, and a huge battle begins. They fight on the street, in the air and in the facades of empty buildings as the other agent smith?s watch alongside the robots and the humans in Zion. The fight is so evenly matched that Neo and Super-Smith basically tear each other to shreds until they're both barely alive. One interesting thing is that as Neo fights Smith, the other Smiths tend to get hurt too, since they're all connected. Eventually, both of their bodies collapse onto the ground and it looks like they've both destroyed each other. And in a surprise move, Smith gets up to his feet, and picks up a concrete block and starts walking towards Neo to finish him off.

Back in Zion, people can't believe what's going on, that they have to watch Neo die in slow motion. Morpheus tries to jack into the Matrix but can't do it because there are no free connections (the one free one is being used by Neo back in Trinity's ship.) There is a lot of tension, where everyone in Zion cries and says their last words to each other, before The Kid stands up and walks to the front of the crowd. He begins to meditate, and we hear Neo's voice saying "You saved yourself kid." The kid becomes enlightened, and manages to push himself back into the matrix the way he pulled himself out. He walks out of a dark alleyway with a broken piece of metal, smiling. He walks up behind the weak Smith (still making his way towards Neo) and stabs him through the heart, delivering the last blow. All the Smiths fall down dead. He drags Neo's body to the phone and puts his head up to the receiver and Neo disappears, transported back to Trinity's ship.

Trinity kisses him and starts to drag his body outside the ship, back to the green door, but Neo is almost at death. She cries as his heart starts beating slower and slower. All of a sudden, The Kid appears behind her, having gone through the phone as well. "They cured his blindness, maybe they can save him again!" He says, and they push his body through the green wall. Sure enough, Neo falls into tip-top shape on the other side, and walks to rejoin the Robot on the other side.

Sentinels appear, and drop Trinity, the Kid and Neo off back on the platform before the leader. He mentions to them how curious it is that the Kid was able to jump back and forth between Robot and Human worlds, as was Agent Smith. Neo mentions that it doesn't puzzle him, that it's the order of evolution. He mentions that robots and humans are far more connected than they think. That they need each other to live. Humans can't filter water to make it pure, and robots can't make energy without us. The Kid is the next natural step, a being that is useful in both worlds, electronic and physical, and can transcend realities. Neo asks that if the problem with the matrix is choice, why not ask humans to take part? That the virtual world can be as beneficial as the real one. Why not allow them to generate power for you voluntarily, and allow both species to continue along successfully. The Robot makes a sound of uncertainty.

The final shot of the movie begins with the familiar matrix green text, and the world with a semi-blue sky. Neo is standing near a phone booth saying, "I once told you I didn't come to tell you how it was going to end, that I came here to tell you how it was going to begin. Now that the war is over, as we work together, that statement is as true as ever." Neo jumps off the ground and flies into the air, like he does in the end of the first movie, and the camera follows him up to show sentinel and human ships repairing the atmosphere, alongside other flying humans. Cue end credits
(written by Baudrillard)

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krets: Ahhhhhhhhhh thanks that was niggling me

hampsteadgirl: We that is academic really (although I would be interested to know if they scripted/shot alternate endings) - like InI I would have liked something more 'complex' - that ending would have been precitable except everyone predict better endings The second film left a whole range of balls up in their air with mysterious hints and they were never realy dealt with unless this film is setting us up for Matrix 4.

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Jesus Kid!!!!!
It's just a movie.
Frag he said to avoid the censor,
Live your life.
Just live your life.

whoa. calm down.



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