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Dark Neurotic (0) Inmate Newly admitted	posted 01-19-2002 23:13 While you guys are debating wither or not to keep this topic, i need some help, heh. Ok I have this Background that I ran through a image slicer. The image slicer put everything very neat like into a table. OK how do I make "all" these images my "background"? I mean do I need to say "<Table background=""> and just put all my content into that big table or do I somehow still use <Body background=""> ??
eyezaer Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist From: the Psychiatric Ward Insane since: Sep 2000	posted 01-19-2002 23:28 Body Background will only support one image. You will have to use the cells in a table to hold the images in place, so you would have to specify the bg of each Cell... <td background="what ever.jpg"> and put your text here </td> The background of the table is the entire background of the table... so that wouldent work. You will have one heck of a time gettin sliced images to line up right in cells though... I wouldent even do it that way... CSS is the way for you!!! It wont work in ns4x... but who cares? Use css to position the images man... thats the only way to do what you want with this. [This message has been edited by eyezaer (edited 01-19-2002).]
Dark Neurotic (0) Inmate Newly admitted	posted 01-19-2002 23:55 Ok I've worked with CSS for style sheets but not to much for aligning images and using them for backgrounds. How would I do this in CSS? Rough tut someplace?
kretsminky Maniac (V) Inmate From: A little lower... lower... ahhhhhh, thats the spot Insane since: Jun 2000	posted 01-20-2002 00:04 I get the sneaking suspicion that the reason you sliced this image is because the file size was pretty big. If thats the case, I wouldn't use it as a background. If you insist on using it as a background just leave it in one piece. Most browsers put a low priority on the background image anyway, so it'll finish loading last.
eyezaer Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist From: the Psychiatric Ward Insane since: Sep 2000	posted 01-20-2002 00:20 This is now... NO longer a stupid basic Html Question... It needs to be moved to the CSS forum! ha! okay... nevermind... um... Dark, What you said you wanted to do, or what i understand that you said you wanted to do sounds like something that is not done very often... if ever... You might wanna kick back and look at it to see if there is a way ya could do it without images as background... but i dunnno what you are doing really. so.... umm... im confuzed now.
Dark Neurotic (0) Inmate Newly admitted	posted 01-20-2002 01:11 Well I made a super sweet background (Not at all large file size) that I want to use as a backgorund, but I still want to cut down on loading time. No biggie really. If nothing else I will just slice the image into 3 or 4 parts instead of using a grid. [This message has been edited by Dark (edited 01-20-2002).]
kretsminky Maniac (V) Inmate From: A little lower... lower... ahhhhhh, thats the spot Insane since: Jun 2000	posted 01-20-2002 01:20 Just leave it as a background image all in one piece. The content of the site will load over the top of it while it finishes loading. If you try to chop it up you're going to get yourself into a big CSS mess and odds are it won't work uniformly in all browsers.
Dark Neurotic (0) Inmate Newly admitted	posted 01-20-2002 01:32 True .. I'll try using it all as one image, It really isn't that big and it loads fine for me, but I am running Time Warner Cable and a T3 at the college so I dunno...
eyezaer Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist From: the Psychiatric Ward Insane since: Sep 2000	posted 01-20-2002 01:35 I dont think that will cut down on loading time... It could i guess... If you cut it up and compress some parts of it more than other parts you could save file size... but um... So you had one big Picture... but now you have a bunch of smaller pictures that when added up = the big picture??? That will not make it download faster.
Dark Neurotic (0) Inmate Newly admitted	posted 01-20-2002 01:53 Are you serious? Always thought ... um ... nevermind, heh (Points and looks at title of Topic) [This message has been edited by Dark (edited 01-20-2002).]
DocOzone Maniac (V) Lord Mad Scientist Sovereign of all the lands Ozone and just beyond that little green line over there... From: Stockholm, Sweden Insane since: Mar 1994	posted 01-20-2002 17:22 Actually, due to "latency" (confusing term actually, it has to do with the /minimum/ time needed for each and every connection you make through your internet connection.) Anyway, there is a minimum time need to connect and get each image. If you made this in too many pieces, your time for downloading would actually increase, regardless of the overall bandwidth. By the same token, even though it might take 2-3 seconds longer, the "apparent" time could seem to be less, people might be more amused to see bits and pieces appear, could be fun. You might also consider saving it as a progressive JPEG and let it fall into place as it arrives, again, probably only ad a second or two to the download, but people would see something right away. Your pal, -doc-
Dark Neurotic (0) Inmate Newly admitted	posted 01-21-2002 21:24 Thanks doc, that was in pretty easy language to understand
Rameses Niblik the Third Maniac (V) Mad Scientist From: From:From: Insane since: Aug 2001	posted 05-13-2002 00:52 Well guys, no one has replied to this for ages, so I am going to close it and delete it, due to the lack of really useful information not present. Thankyou. I'm crazy, mad, psychotic, Insaniac, neurotic, My voice is quite robotic, And I never Shut Up! Sung to the tune of "The Addams Family"

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Dark
Neurotic (0) Inmate
Newly admitted

posted 01-19-2002 23:13

While you guys are debating wither or not to keep this topic, i need some help, heh.

Ok I have this Background that I ran through a image slicer. The image slicer put everything very neat like into a table. OK how do I make "all" these images my "background"? I mean do I need to say "<Table background=""> and just put all my content into that big table or do I somehow still use <Body background=""> ??

eyezaer
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: the Psychiatric Ward
Insane since: Sep 2000

posted 01-19-2002 23:28

Body Background will only support one image. You will have to use the cells in a table to hold the images in place, so you would have to specify the bg of each Cell... <td background="what ever.jpg"> and put your text here </td> The background of the table is the entire background of the table... so that wouldent work.

You will have one heck of a time gettin sliced images to line up right in cells though... I wouldent even do it that way... CSS is the way for you!!! It wont work in ns4x... but who cares? Use css to position the images man... thats the only way to do what you want with this.

[This message has been edited by eyezaer (edited 01-19-2002).]

Dark
Neurotic (0) Inmate
Newly admitted

posted 01-19-2002 23:55

Ok I've worked with CSS for style sheets but not to much for aligning images and using them for backgrounds. How would I do this in CSS? Rough tut someplace?

kretsminky
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: A little lower... lower... ahhhhhh, thats the spot
Insane since: Jun 2000

posted 01-20-2002 00:04

I get the sneaking suspicion that the reason you sliced this image is because the file size was pretty big. If thats the case, I wouldn't use it as a background.

If you insist on using it as a background just leave it in one piece. Most browsers put a low priority on the background image anyway, so it'll finish loading last.

eyezaer
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: the Psychiatric Ward
Insane since: Sep 2000

posted 01-20-2002 00:20

This is now... NO longer a stupid basic Html Question... It needs to be moved to the CSS forum! ha! okay... nevermind...

um...

Dark, What you said you wanted to do, or what i understand that you said you wanted to do sounds like something that is not done very often... if ever... You might wanna kick back and look at it to see if there is a way ya could do it without images as background... but i dunnno what you are doing really. so.... umm... im confuzed now.

Dark
Neurotic (0) Inmate
Newly admitted

posted 01-20-2002 01:11

Well I made a super sweet background (Not at all large file size) that I want to use as a backgorund, but I still want to cut down on loading time. No biggie really.

If nothing else I will just slice the image into 3 or 4 parts instead of using a grid.

[This message has been edited by Dark (edited 01-20-2002).]

kretsminky
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: A little lower... lower... ahhhhhh, thats the spot
Insane since: Jun 2000

posted 01-20-2002 01:20

Just leave it as a background image all in one piece. The content of the site will load over the top of it while it finishes loading.

If you try to chop it up you're going to get yourself into a big CSS mess and odds are it won't work uniformly in all browsers.

Dark
Neurotic (0) Inmate
Newly admitted

posted 01-20-2002 01:32

True .. I'll try using it all as one image, It really isn't that big and it loads fine for me, but I am running Time Warner Cable and a T3 at the college so I dunno...

eyezaer
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: the Psychiatric Ward
Insane since: Sep 2000

posted 01-20-2002 01:35

I dont think that will cut down on loading time... It *could* i guess... If you cut it up and compress some parts of it more than other parts you could save file size... but um... So you had one big Picture... but now you have a bunch of smaller pictures that when added up = the big picture??? That will not make it download faster.

Dark
Neurotic (0) Inmate
Newly admitted

posted 01-20-2002 01:53

Are you serious? Always thought ... um ... nevermind, heh
(Points and looks at title of Topic)

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DocOzone
Maniac (V) Lord Mad Scientist
Sovereign of all the lands Ozone and just beyond that little green line over there...

From: Stockholm, Sweden
Insane since: Mar 1994

posted 01-20-2002 17:22

Actually, due to "latency" (confusing term actually, it has to do with the /minimum/ time needed for each and every connection you make through your internet connection.) Anyway, there *is* a minimum time need to connect and get each image. If you made this in too many pieces, your time for downloading would actually increase, regardless of the overall bandwidth. By the same token, even though it might take 2-3 seconds longer, the "apparent" time could seem to be less, people might be more amused to see bits and pieces appear, could be fun. You might also consider saving it as a progressive JPEG and let it fall into place as it arrives, again, probably only ad a second or two to the download, but people would see something right away.

Your pal, -doc-

Dark
Neurotic (0) Inmate
Newly admitted

posted 01-21-2002 21:24

Thanks doc, that was in pretty easy language to understand

Rameses Niblik the Third
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: From:From:
Insane since: Aug 2001

posted 05-13-2002 00:52

Well guys, no one has replied to this for ages, so I am going to close it and delete it, due to the lack of really useful information not present. Thankyou.

I'm crazy, mad, psychotic,
Insaniac, neurotic,
My voice is quite robotic,
And I never Shut Up!
Sung to the tune of "The Addams Family"