Preserved Topic: Weird things that science can't explain... (Page 1 of 2)

Weird things that science can't explain...
Ever happened to you?
Strange things
Premonitions
Deja vu
Anything, tell me about it!

waiting.....

bowel movements, the urge to take a leak, awareness?

Er...yes!
That's exactly (not) that, i've been waiting for,vogonpoet!

How about evolution? or the beginning of the universe??? that can not be scientifically tested. Cookie for me?

. . .

Awareness hasn't been explained by science. (good one ~vp~)

Science cannot explain *why* a seed suddenly begins to grow when planted.

Now I think I have one that might be closer to what you were looking for. My uncle was a test pilot for his entire career and he did it even after he retired. Anyway, I asked him whether he had ever seen any UFOs. He wouldn't say that he saw aliens but he did tell me a fascinating story.

He was flying a cargo plane one day and he tracked 3 blips on the radar traveling far faster than anything he knew existed. The real kicker is that while maintaining this speed, he saw them make a virtual 90 degree turn all at once and then they shot off and out of range of his instruments.

I would call that unexplainable.



[This message has been edited by Bugimus (edited 03-03-2002).]

Bug: doesnt any form of seed need a catalyst to start growing?

i.e. A plant seed needs to be watered, or a human seed needs to be fertalized?

(a plant seed needs to be fertilized also I guess -doh!- heh)

point being, a seed is just a seed until it has an external effect exact a chemical/biological reaction on it?

*looks dazed*

::edit:: talking about human seeds (eggs) I guess thats all they are til they are born. (reliant on sperm and the womb for existance/survival?)



[This message has been edited by vogonpoet (edited 03-03-2002).]

Actually vog in asexual reproduction (such as fungii) seeds aren't externally fertilized.

And I believe what Bugs was saying was that science still has no explanation for the tangential donning of "life". A seed is just an inanimate object (even asexual) so whatever factor the bio-orgo-chemistry brings, it's still unknown how to describe "life" outside of that term.


So far anyway.

undoubtedly DG, the unexplainable (considering eventually all chemical/biological events will be scientifically explained) is surely then the pre-cursor to life? As in, as far as 'we' know, life only comes from prior life? New life is heriditary, so what came before the very first life? Thats unexplainable imho

science can't explain a thing.
It's by, before all, admiting it's inherent refutability that it gained the position of prevailing system in the observation (using whatever mean) of what we can imagine (using again whatever mean).

That's the main difference between what we call science and what we call religion.
Problem is, both are surrounded by fogs of misunderstanding, one created by accident, other intentionally.

note: by reading the previous posts it seems that biology and physic understanding are not one of an asylumite's strong perks <- sarcasm detected?

glad you noticed


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It's an open universe! There is no god!

Arthemis, can you explain *why* life occurs? I can't wait for you to enlighten us who are so weak in the areas of biology and physics.

eyezaer:

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How about evolution?

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Darwin will be most disappointed!! I really don't want to go down this path but check here:
www.talkorigins.org/

It all comes down to the question of whether science offers explanations. It offers hypothesises (sp?) for testing against the evidence - if, in the case of things like plate tectonics, the theory works so well with the evidence then we might be able to move to a position where it seems to offer a reasonable idea on how things actually work. Personally I'd put evolution in the same category as plate tectonics but I'm sure others will differ.

This is rare though and usually we are shuffling towards an answer (often down dead ends). If you want clear cut/black and white answers to questions then it might be time to consult your oracles, holy men, astrologers, seers, etc.

An interesting topic I'm sure but getting away from the spirit of the thread (which is about personal tales of encounters with the paranormal - which might include vp's bowel movements!!).

To address that then apart from the odd dream (which I mentioned in InI's thread which, while obviously a dream, touched on aspects of the paranormal and in other contexts might have been judged to be paranormal) then nothing - to my great disappointment.

Emps

It would take more than 10000 posts to explain you that there is no real explanation, dear bugimus

furthermore, i would never, and probably will never, consider myself capable of doing it

www.randi.org

Actually, I can tell you why. I can't prove it though That's the cool thing about religion... it offers answers. Oh but there's that little concept involved called faith.

Arthemis, I like what the great Randi does. A lot. I think he performs a valuable service by pointing out charlatans and scams that take advantage of gullible people. I've posted his million dollar challenge here a couple of times myself.

Emps, I think Darwin would be disappointed but more with the most recent fossil record data. Darwin predicted that the fossil record would reflect a gradual and steady line from less complex to more complex life forms. What we are finding now is that it looks more like a step function. So now that's got some scientists courting the cataclysm ideas again. Niles Eldredge and Stephen Gould came up with a clever theory to explain this called "punctuated equilibrium".

As far as I can tell the theory of evolution as it stands now has some serious problems, but it's the best we've got thus far. We need to go with it until something better comes along.

back to the title's subject..
<warning>aspects of my personal life follow!</warning>

my mom is a recovering addict, so was her boyfriend. both heroin users. my mom's been clean about 5 years and 2 months now (thankfully). her boyfriend had been clean for about 3 years. so anyway, I had this dream once.. my family and i went to visit my mom's boyfriend. he lived about 40 miles away from us.. well, when we got there.. he was lying dead on his bed..

ever since that dream (i'd say about a year ago?) i always had this weird feeling that.. it wasn't just a dream.. some sort of odd premonition..

well, on october 30, 2001.. my mom went to his house... and he had died of a heroin overdose.

[This message has been edited by Raptor (edited 03-05-2002).]

some say that has to do with a subjacent ability in our subconscious to meausure probability of events to a non thinkable level of complexity.

amazing none the less

Aaaaaaachuuuuu! ~sniff~ how about sneezing with your eyes open? Does that count?

Cheers!

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How about every time I walk out into the bright sunlight, I sneeze? There is a direct correlation but some people don't believe me.

Arthemis, that actually makes good sense. I think I would favor that explanation for Raptor's story too.

reitveld:
well...doing that, wouldn't be very smart...probably your eyes would jump from the orbits...

Actually Bugs that isn't as uncommon or unexplainable as you may think.

Photosensitivity is quite common, and manifests itself in many forms. The most common is a tearing of the eyes from released saline in the tear ducts. This occurs when the sensitivity causes "pain" (neurons reacting to the light and firing) in the eyeball itself, and the body's defense mechanisms naturally try and wash away the offending "particles" (we read the pain in the same way we'd read something touching the lens).

Tear ducts are notoriously tied in with the nasal passages, due to location, and their defense mechanism relations to the filters at the entrance to the nasal cavities (sinuses). Those filters (sort of like little villii) are partially responsible for the sneeze reaction, by relaying the message to the central nervous system that there are particles that need to be expelled from the passage.

Hence the sneeze.

However if the tear duct reactions cross over with the nasal defenses.......ultimately you can trigger a sneeze by stimulating the tear ducts, or just "hurting" the eyes.

Wanna watch it work in reverse? Pull out a nose hair....and watch those tear ducts work bay bee.


hehe


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Cool info, DG. I should print that out and hand it to my friends the next time we walk outside and I start sneezing.

Here is another one that some people don't believe. I'm sure some of you can hear television sets, right? Well, some people don't believe me when I tell them that I can. For instance, you're just about to retire for the evening and the tv is on a blank channel and you just know it's on because you can hear the high pitched whine.

I thought EVERYBODY could hear that...
Really? There are some people who can't?
Wierd.
mobrul

Yup, I know several who think I'm making it up.

Yeah, that happens for me with anything electricity at all.

I think it just has to do with higher wave frequency sensitivity, and "hearing" the waves put out by the electromagnetic fields.



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I can hear that too; funny thing is, in the past I didn't know I could hear it, but I subconciously learned to go upstairs whenever the TV was turned on, and I'd always end up walking upstairs right when someone was starting to play nintendo or something. I couldn't figure out why that always happened.

i'm with mobrul. i thought *everybody* could hear that! now you've got me wondering if I'M weird or if they are!

*sighs and adds another thing to the "odd things about me" checklist*

the sound thing is fairly normal - my mum's monitor squeals like a castrated piggy, and my mum can hear it, but her boyfriend doesn't have any idea what we're on about.
generally speaking, people lose their hearing in old age, starting with the extremeties - so the high pitched sounds, barely audible, usually go first.

which is why i'm suprised peter can hear any of it, the old fart.




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(tifkab)

heh - another wierd thing that i don't get:

farts.
the buildup of gases in the digestive system is fully comprehensible to me, but okay, try this:
cup some water between your two hands (or just imagine), then try and expel the air in there - through the bottom.
see the problem?


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(tifkab)

Arthemis: could you explain me a little thingie?
You said: "science can't explain a thing."
Well...if it doesn't, it means that DarkGarden's explanation about Photosensitivity isn't a valid one? If science can't explain a thing...what the hell was that, some stupid idea that someone with nothing better to do, invented?

Not meaning to step on Arthemis' toes...

Ashite, maybe Arthemis would have done better to say something like 'Science can't explain a thing, definately.'
The whole idea of science is to search for the truth (knowing we'll never totally know everything there is to know about everything). The scientific method is a method by which one can interrogate the world while constantly keeping in mind that everything we knew yesterday could have been wrong.

Some theories (like gravity, for instance) have been around for so long, the equation works, *everything* seems to fit so nicely, we call it a 'law' and accept it as fact.

On the other hand, some theories (like gravity, for instance) exist for a long time, are tested over and over again...then some trouble maker like Einstein comes along and says, "you know that gravity thing that has been around for hundreds of years...that you thought you completely understood? It's wrong. Gravity REALLY works like this..."

That's what science is all about. Making hypotheses, testing them over and over and over again. Nothing is ever so certain that it is irrefutable. Some things are close...but as Einstein showed us, we can't take even the easiest things for granted.

And about DG's explanation not being valid...
It's valid until someone comes up with a better theory, tests is sufficiently, and presents it. If the tests hold up we shall all declare DG's explanation wrong and begin looking at the new explanation. That's science.

mobrul



[This message has been edited by mobrul (edited 03-07-2002).]

We have two computers in our dining room (lounge #2), one belongs to my dad, and the other belongs to me. I can hear them being turned on (the high pitched whine) from the other end of out housae, through several walls. I can even tell the difference between mine and my dad's (cause my dad's is faster, so mine has a lower pitch).

bugimus, that has a little to do with the person.
let's say that we weren't so fragile to ultra-violet radiation... that, in evolution terms, would make us able to see it.
But we can't. what we call visible light is what we can see, were we not audio visual beings, there would be no concept of visual light. So, if you have a perception for hearing higher/lower than average (dont know which is the case in a tv set, but probably lower) that would basically mean dip to those who couldnt hear it.
There is another factor, if the emited sound waves are not "waved", but "squared", it will cause a prolongued drum effect in our auditive system, allowing those who are more sensitive to hear non hearable low frequencies blah blah

Reitsma, if your digestive system is always full of water, then I'd say you have a bigger problem than the mystery of gas.

wes - if my example isn't realistic enough for you, then i suggest you attempt the same exercise with a handfull of shit instead of water.


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(tifkab)

Just fell off my chair! ROTFL!

buncha - that was the funniest thing i have read all week. thanks for the laugh, i needed that.

Science cant explain how a bee can fly or why we sleep. whats that all about then?

~We're not here for long, we're here for fun~

Don´t bees have wings?

I thought science had explained why we sleep something about recharging and getting ready for another day.




"Faith: not wanting to know what is true. "- Friedrich Nietzsche