Preserved Topic: Anyone love Conundrums like I do?

I have always loved conundrums. A conundrum is a puzzling question. Sometimes the answers involve a pun.

The more difficult ones are usually handled like this. The person trying to solve it can ask yes or no questions until they find the solution. Sometimes the answer will have to be "irrelevant" instead of yes or no to keep things on track.

Here are a couple of simple ones:

- A young boy and his father get into a terrible traffic accident. The father is ok but the son needs an operation to save his life. The surgeon on duty comes in and exclaims, "Oh my God! I can't operate on this boy. He's my son!". How can this be?

- Thirty people are found dead in a cabin high in the mountains. What happened to them?

I've got some even more complicated ones if anyone likes these.

Easy enough *S*

1. The surgeon is the boys mother.
2. They died

Sorry I haven't any conundrums to post, but keep 'em coming bugs!

Yes, the surgeon was the boy's mother.

But you are going to have to find a few more details about how those people died

Get that and I'll give some more.

The plane crashed.





ICQ:# 10237808

You betcha! Well done, DG.

Every day a man leaves his apartment on the 46th floor and rides the lift down to the first floor to go to work. Every evening at about 6 pm he gets in the lift, takes the lift up to the 38th floor, gets out and walks up the stairs for the remaing eight floors until he reaches the 46th floor.

Why?

is it cos he is the lift operator? on a split shift? so in the morning the night shift lift operator (who lives on the 38th floor) leaves the lift on the 46th floor for the day shift lift operator, and in turn every night , the day shift lift operator returns the favour by leaving the lift at the 38th floor ready again for the night shift lift operator?

(the more I read that the more I think I need to get out more often!) ~Vp~

dit for typos



[This message has been edited by vogonpoet (edited 01-12-2002).]

~Vp~ according to the way this works I answer either yes,no, or irrelevant. So...

no

He's vertically challenged (midget) and can't reach the higher buttons on the elevator keypad.

Edit: Hey BKay! I was first!


He's too short to reach the button to his floor.

All right, mine:

How many Animals did Moses take with him on his ship?



[This message has been edited by mahjqa (edited 01-12-2002).]

either you mean Noah or
if you mean moses: none, he was the only person in that "basket"

You got it, GRUMBLE. Do you have one to challenge us with?

wait a bit, im thinking of one...

ok, you may know this already, but it's the first, that came into my mind:

what animal has four legs in the morning, two at noon and three in the evening?

[This message has been edited by GRUMBLE (edited 01-13-2002).]

Man.
Four legs as a baby, two as an adult, and three as elderly (with a cane).

I used to have a list of those somewhere, i cant seem to locate it....

How about this one:

You have two ropes. They will each burn for one hour. They do not burn at a uniform rate because they are of varying thicknesses.

If you have no other way of telling time, how can you determine that 45 minutes have elapsed?

now wait a minut, if there found in a cabin that means the plane crashed into the cabin which means the cabin was obliterated and they weren't found in a cabin, they coulda just frozen over

now conundrums are also like riddles only more realistic... and since beekay hasn't posted one yet ill do one! its very common...

A man is found hung in a room with no windows or furniture, he is about 5 feet tall but 6 feet off the ground, the only opening in this room is the door and it is 7 in radius of where this man was hanging, the only thing in the room besides the man was a puddle of water beneath(spelling?) him, how did he get up there to hang himself?

now remember it is a commen one

EDIT: DARN BUGS URS WAS 1 MINUT BEFORE MINE!!!!!! ok go ahead and do his first then mine later...


[This message has been edited by InSiDeR (edited 01-13-2002).]

He stood on a block of ice.

InSiDeR, the cabin refers to an airplane cabin and not a log cabin. That's the trick to that one.

Bugs: ooh! DOH! sorry its late im taken an online IQ test right now and my brain is stressed

kretts: yes but answere bugs now

i think that if they dont burn at same rate one would be really thick and short and one would be really thin and long to burn up equally

but i still dunno the answere



[This message has been edited by InSiDeR (edited 01-13-2002).]

burn one rope and an hour is past so, you can be certain 45 minutes are up
and you still have a rope to play with
pass

heh never thought of it that way...

Alright i got one!

Picture a bridge four kilometers long and strong enough to hold ten thousand kilograms, but no more. A loaded transport truck weighing exactly ten thousand kilograms drives onto the bridge. At the halfway point, a sparrow weighing 30 grams lands on the truck, yet the bridge doesn't collapse. How could this be?

Hmmm I dont guess anyone cares...

after two kilometers he would have burned off much more than 30 grams of fuel.

DOH! yup thats right gj DG, do you have a book for these or something? anyways your pretty intelligent

Here's an EASY one to get warmed up so anyone left scratching their heads needs thier pills revoking for the day:
A similar bridge to insider's spanning 200 metres across a canyon will hold 200 pounds in weight. A man weighing 190 pounds steals 3 gold items from a temple each weighing 10 pounds. the temple gaurds are right behind him so how does he get across the bridge with all three items?

Bugimus, could'nt you cut one rope in half and in half again so you have 4 quarters, light one quarter and the next when the first is burned out and then the third? that would come to 45 minutes when the third was used up


[This message has been edited by Morph (edited 01-13-2002).]

he juggles.

and nope, no book.

i was gonna say he knocks out each guard with one of the gold objects then takes em across one at a time :P

A woman is having a house built, and wants a lot of plants, so she tells the contractors that she wants the windows only on the south side of the house. The house is built following the specifications, and a bear walks by. What color is the bear?

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Of course you're entitled to your own opinion.
Who said I have to agree with it?

[This message has been edited by Raptor (edited 01-13-2002).]

grrr

~won't answer this one, so that someone else has a chance.~

lol. i know i know. something i thought of afterwards, is that considering there are only really 3 colors of bears, a better question would be "what color is the bear's skin?" as opposed to its fur color

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Of course you're entitled to your own opinion.
Who said I have to agree with it?

DG, sorry but i dont think that juggling is a solution due to the fact, that when catching an item it has the double weight for a short time.

the bear is white, cause it's an icebear. house is on northpole.

uh...nothing ever has "double the weight" when weight=mass. Gravitational pull comes into play with force, but it would be completely nominal if the gold isn't thrown very high.

Sorry Grumble, to say it has twice the weight is really wrong, dude...but your viewpoint has a bit of weight (heh) in larger scales.

mmm, i think this one is being over worked, cant we just accept the (right) answer in the spirit of which it was intended

morph, so juggling is the right answer? ok then, big sorry everyone!

and yes, double weight isnt totally correct (i was to fast with thinking), but i still think, that when you catch it, it has more weight because:
weight(force)=gravity+kinetic energy
(or was it potential energy?)

and maybe also when you throw it up, because you have to create a force upwards and therefor there is a counterforce downwards.

am i confusing?

anyway, let's leave it as it is. i dont wanna destroy all the fun with my stupidity.

A friend armed me with this one when I was entering a riddle contest long ago:

A man has five children. Half of them are boys. How is this possible?

<edit>That's NOT counting the man along with his children.</edit>

[This message has been edited by Perfect Thunder (edited 01-14-2002).]

Grumble. You're close. Force (measurable weight on earth, not mass)= Mass X Acceleration.

As said though, the height of the balls in the air would be next to negligible to cause gravity (9.81 m/s/s) to really pick up in opposition to surface friction etc. etc.

And that's way too much physics for a fun game...heh.

I really did see your point, and agree that there would be added micrograms, but that would come in with him breathing too.

Hmm..maybe he could time it with exhalation...


~gets the hairs and the sharp knives~

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Hmm...hemaphrodite?

heh

OH COME ON, IT WAS WORTH A TRY.

a man doesnt have kids....

but if your asking that he had one with a girl, then the answere is.....
i dunno lol... thats a really good one i can't wait to here the answere to it if mine is wrong....

lmfao DG i woulda posted that if u didn't get there first



[This message has been edited by InSiDeR (edited 01-14-2002).]

Well the physics problem was bugging me. I realize this post is completely superfluous to the meaning of the thread, but I was just fooling around with some numbers.

Anyway, the model I've used ignores some of the dynamics of force, but it should be reasonably accurate. Oh ya, and I scaled the problem to the SI system because working with pounds is just a pain in the ass.

With the numbers given in the problem, doing anything more than walking across the bridge holding one brick would break the bridge. Why, you ask? Well if you look at the juggling motion, two bricks are instantaneously and simultaneously held meaning that the total weight would be 210 lbs at certain times in the juggling cycle.

Aside from that, just tossing the brick up in the air exerts a force downward that is independent of the gravity force on the man. This force is actually quite large and would easily snap the bridge if the man were to carry only one brick and throw that single brick up into the air. Here are some calculations that prove this point.

So I'm sure no one really cares...but I was bored while talking on AIM.

Morph, no you can't just cut the rope into quarters because the rope does not burn at a uniform rate. Therefore, you could not be certain that a quarter of the rope would burn 15 minutes.

Come on now, I'm still waiting for a solution to my rope problem.

the ropes thicknesses varies right, but are they the same length Bugs?

The lengths are not necessarily the same. But they will each burn for 1 hour.

Hmmmm, stirred up a hornets nest here, perhaps I should consider the physics of any future questions before asking them

~slopes off juggling bricks with one hand~

Did you account for the ammount of water he would loose due to persperating by the time he was at the center of the bridge? hrmm....

Buggs, can one mark the ropes in 4ths instead of cutting them into 4ths? and let them both burn to the average of 3/4ths????

bugs! the whole time i knew that i have already heard about this one, but i couldnt remember where.
ha, i talked to a friend about it yesterday and he cleared things up a little. then i remebered i saw it on tv long ago, but with another story around it.
afaik the solution is to burn one rope on both ends and also start burning the other one at the same time but only on one end. once the first rope is totally gone (30mins) also start burning the other one on the other end.
when it is gone too....45mins.

as for the physics thingie... since juggling was supposed to be the right answer i guess there is no solution for the man to get over the bridge. cause there is also a similar riddle from my physics lesson in school which i have thought of all the time. (that's why i came up with this theory)

again we have a bridge that holds 10000 kilograms. a truck which has loaded 50 birds is coming by and weighs exactly 10000 kilograms without any load and the birds are all in all 10 kilograms. (so 10010 kg -> bridge crashes)
is it able to pass the bridge when the driver could make the birds fly up in the loading room?
(no fuel burning this time )

Grumble

Providing that the cargo area is not a closed system, I guess the bridge will hold.

I do not think it would if the cargo space was airtight.

(this resembles a classic problem in the theoretical physics class)

hmmm, while chewing on that, consider this. A man is walking through the desert and comes across two unmarked graves. He opens the graves and inside finds a perfectly preserved man and woman. He knows instantly they are Adam and Eve. How?

morph, it isnt god, is it?

nimraw, im not 100% sure on this myself. but do you think it really matters if the cargo area is closed or not?
i think, that in either case the birds produce the same air-pressure on the "floor" of the truck than their weight is, so i think the bridge crashes, no matter what the birds do.

it's like the helicopter-principle.

Grumble, that was my first answer when I was told this one. Good but wrong

Grumble

It should matter whether the system is closed. In an open environment, the air pressure from the birds flapping ought to spread/leak into open air and not affect the truck much. If it is a closed system on the other hand the birds could do about anything they pleased and the bringe would crash. Constant mass within the confined space...

Nope, I haven't done any calculating over this Just seems as the most logical way to go in my mind.

The old physics example (that I also don't know the answer to) went something like this:
If you got a butterfly in a jar standing at a scale, will the scale react if the butterfly is taking off but still flying within the jar? Would it make any difference if you put the lid on the jar?

I think it would be a difference, and I used the same reasoning for the truck/bridge/bird-thingy

Morph:
Could the man opening the graves be their son?



[This message has been edited by Nimraw (edited 01-14-2002).]

Nimraw: No not their son. These are the real Adam and Eve

GRUMBLE, yes, that's the solution to the ropes.

They don't have umbilicus markings (no belly buttons)?

nimraw, ok also if the birds are producing less pressure on the truck in an open system, it would at least be more than zero. and so we have a total weight of more than 10000. -> bam. bridge crashes.
that's my way of thinking, and that's why i also thought juggling isnt a solution to the other prob.

Well done, Dark, right on the mark

OK, a man weighs 180 pounds and robs a temple . . . . .

[This message has been edited by Morph (edited 01-14-2002).]

What if the bird landed on the truck but kept its wings open and the truck was moving forward at precisely the air speed velocity needed for the bird to fly?

Of course, this brings up the whole debate on whether we're talking about an African or European swallow a la MPHG

you got a point bugs.

consider this:
a man weighs 280 pounds and robs a temple and with all the money he goes to a shop.
he ask, what does one cost?
- 20 cents, answers the shopkeeper.
what does 16 cost?
- 40 cents, answers the shopkeeper.
ok, then i take 296.
- ok, that's 60 cents, answers the shopkeeper.

what did he buy?

heehee the temple robber. is it house numbers Grumble?

morph, the temple robber, is correct!

i think with all that physics/mathematical stuff we are drifting away from the original idea of conundrums...

Bugs: Unless of course it was an african swallow! oh yes they can hold twice there wait but not a europian swallow! oh no their bills are much stronger! ...

What?! is the average airspeed velocity of an unlaident swallow?

that movie owns us all....

DarkGarden: if i didnt have school today i woulda been able to answere that one first! i remember it!

Everyone: are we forgetting perfect thunders riddle? a guy has 5 kids and half are boys how so?

also the physics....

On the bridge, I do believe that if he threw it up it would cause a downward force. Not to mention that grumble said the 2 guys were also fallowing him behind, that would have caused the bridge to colapse.

Bugs is right about the birds, if they are moving the same speed as the truck is and they are in the air, they will not cause any effect to the weight of the truck....

i still say he knocks out the guards with the items and carries them across one by one

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Of course you're entitled to your own opinion.
Who said I have to agree with it?

Perfect thunder, they are all boys. So naturally half of them are boys but so is the other half since it wasn't specified that the other half was girls.



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Bang on, Silence! That was the one that won my riddle contest, by the way, so long ago.

great!!!!!! ill remember that one...

InSiDeR, the temple guards would know the weight limit of the bridge so they wouldn't go on it

Raptor, this is your average temple robber, not Samson with an asses jawbone

Right, a man is laying dead in a room locked from the inside with no windows. on the bed is a plank of wood and in the bin is some sawdust. What happened?



[This message has been edited by Morph (edited 01-15-2002).]

I gots one

A man living on the coast of England decided to go to bed for the night. He brushed his teeth and shut of the light then went to bed. When he got up in the morning he was horrified to see dead people all over the beach . What happened?

Apok:

The man was a light house attendant. He shut the light off to the light house and in doing so he caused a ship to wreak.

Later,
C:\


~Binary is best~

[This message has been edited by CPrompt (edited 01-15-2002).]

or.... the man lived on a little island between europe and northen africa, and precisely the night before, the european union announced that all illegal resident foreigners could get citadinship the next day. now.... use your imagination

Way to go CPromt..............i think that was more a riddle. Im not sure what a colundrum is unless its a riddle in disquise.

PS: fun reading bugamus

Apok

Actually, Apok, that is what I consider a conundrum. It's a description like that with a story that needs fleshing out. Such as:

"A" lies dead on the floor. "B" is sleeping on the couch. There is a container on the table. What happened?

Someone answer Morph's, it's driving me crazy.

Also, here's one.

A man walks into a bar and asks the bartender for a glass of water. The bartender pulls out a gun and points it at the man. The man says "thank you". What was wrong with the man?

you dont drink water at a bar thats what water fountains are for

we may need to make a second thread for bug's awsome post

(dunno if that's the right way to say it in English) The man had hiccups.

Oh I think the answer to Morph's is that he juggles the 3 items while crossing the bridge

::Edit:: Of course DG already got that... bastard



:[ Computers let you make more mistakes faster than any other invention in human history, with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila. ]:

[This message has been edited by bitdamaged (edited 01-17-2002).]

Correct, mahjqa. Good on!

Bitdamaged, I was talking about the one with the man in the room with no windows.

Bit, hee,hee

~We're not here for long, we're here for fun~

now what's it? there are some unanswered ones which im very interested in...

Like: "A" lies dead on the floor. "B" is sleeping on the couch. There is a container on the table. What happened?

Bugimus, is "A" a goldfish, "B" a cat and the container a fishbowl?

~We're not here for long, we're here for fun~

So you heard that one before, eh?

How about this one:

"A" and "B" are conversing in a room.
"B" turns and proceeds towards "C" in another room.
"A" drops to his knees, reaches into a drawer, and shoots "B" in the leg with a pistol.

Explain.

Hmm im going to guess...

B just asked for a divource with A and is going to his new lover C and A reaches down to shoot B?

edit: I need to stop watching soaps don't I?

[This message has been edited by InSiDeR (edited 01-21-2002).]

B just asked for a divource with A... nope

...and is going to his new lover C... nope

...and A reaches down to shoot B... I kind of already told you that

You're allowed to ask yes/no questions to narrow it down.

yea i didnt think that would be it....

but here are some questions

what kind of room are they in? (decribe them)

how far apart are the rooms?

How about, "would you please tell us the answer?" =)

well slime i thought about asking that but then i wouldnt be using my head now would i

Are A, B and C all human?

~We're not here for long, we're here for fun~

I don't really think that these count as conundrums bugs... I mean really you can put just about any situation in these and they could work. I don't know maybe its just me

Morph: yes.

InSiDeR, this is the definition of a style of conundrum as I defined in my opening comments. This is the type that I really enjoy because you have to think of all possibilities and carefully phrase your questions to get to the right answer. And you're right it's really like unraveling a mystery or a scene from a movie. I call this one a conundrum because others have and I don't know what else to name them.

alright now answere my question

Is A female?
Is B female?
Is C female?

A is male
B is male
C is female

a says to b: just go ahead, make it up with my wife!
b turns to a's wife c in other room.
a shoots em.

"A says to B: just go ahead, make it up with my wife!"

No, but their discussion did concern C.

"B turns to A's wife C in other room."

Yes, C is A's wife.

"a shoots em."

A shoots B in the leg just after falling to his knees.

Ok after watching 50,000 hours of soaps...

A is talking to B and B admits having an affair with C and turns toward C's room. And then A shoots B.

Wait, I just noticed something.

"A shoots B in the leg"

Now the fact that he shot him in the leg was either to throw us off or something to eventually pick up. So leg must mean something.

Of course, every detail that I'm giving you is crucial to the solution. Remember that A first falls to his knees then shoots B in the leg.

Does B kick A in the balls?

C is the wife of A, B shoots A, A falls to his knees, grabs a gun and shoots B, b4 he takes his last breath, B is about to attack C when B gets it in the leg. Big Duh!



edit... okay, i hadnt read any of the other posts when i posed that... i *could* be wrong. At least i was right with C being As wife!

[This message has been edited by eyezaer (edited 01-22-2002).]

Was the purpose of A's reaching into a drawer to obtain the pistol?

InSiDeR,
ummm... no.

izzy,
Yes, A shoots B just before taking his last breath.
Yes, B was about to attack C but was stopped from doing so because of being shot in the leg.

Slime,
Yes, reaching into the drawer was to get the pistol.

The picture becomes clearer! But there are a few hefty details left to be uncovered.

I couldent resist... 100

Wow!!! I started a post that actually broke 3 digits? Woohoo!

Are A and B in space suits?

~We're not here for long, we're here for fun~

No.

Neck deep in water? (I'm just looking for an angle on last breath)

~We're not here for long, we're here for fun~

No water. Remember, B turned away from A and then A fell to his knees before shooting. Don't let "last breath" mislead you, I said yes to that only to say that he was dying.

was there a physical fight between a and b BEFORE b turned away from a?

Is harsh language involved... or the use of toung depressor's???

no and no

Did B kill A?

I remember these conundrum things now. We used to call them 20 questions when I was in school.

No, B did not kill A.

Did B poison A?

No

so, A turned from B and fell to his knez reached into a drawer, got a gun, shot B and then died...(did he die right a way or spazim for a while???) B did not kill him. (B didnt even try to kill him?) and B was going to attack C... A's wife, Dave.

So does that mean that B is Emps? (this is starting to get interesting!!!)



[This message has been edited by eyezaer (edited 01-23-2002).]

A had enough time to shoot B in the leg before he died.
B did *not* kill A.
B did *not* even try to kill A.
B was on the way to attack C, A's wife.

B is indeed Emps. LOL!!!

Hmm

I must have missed that one.

they are allusing on emps former sig-quote: you are my wife now dave.

bugs, some more Qs:
is izzys version already the solution?

does C know what's going on all the time?
or
is the door between the two rooms closed?

is C related in any way to B?

if i understood it correctly:
A died after all this, but without influence from B.
B did not die, but was injured by the legshot.
is this true or false?

DAMNED! couldnt we start this with names like Peter Paul and Mary? these letters are so confusing?

I had to re-post this....

"A" and "B" are conversing in a room.
"B" turns and proceeds towards "C" in another room.
"A" drops to his knees, reaches into a drawer, and shoots "B" in the leg with a pistol.

Explain.

"is izzys version already the solution?" NO, but he did reveal a couple key details.

"does C know what's going on all the time?" No

"is the door between the two rooms closed?" Irrelevant

"is C related in any way to B?" No

"if i understood it correctly:
A died after all this, but without influence from B.
B did not die, but was injured by the legshot.
is this true or false?"

TRUE

"DAMNED! couldnt we start this with names like Peter Paul and Mary? these letters are so confusing?"

We know C is female, henceforth she will be called Mary.
Since gay marriages are still not recognized in most areas, A will be called Peter.

We have yet to determine what sex B is so I can't name him yet

is B a dog or some other animal?

will I ever be able to sleep without knowing the answer to this damn thing?

who is kaiser soze?

bugs, in your post at 01-22-2002 12:03 AM in this thread you said:
A is male
B is male
C is female

and also somewhere in here you said, that they are all human.
so, A=Peter B=Paul C=Mary
argh. i have now so many details about this situation but still no clue why all this happens.
i have to figure out what Peter(A) died of.
so, more Qs:

is Peter having an illness of any kind?
are all characters about the same age?
is Peter attracted by Mary and viceversa? (are they betraying Paul)

GRUMBLE,

Sorry we did establish all the sexes and that they're all human.

A=Peter
B=Paul
C=Mary

"is Peter having an illness of any kind?" Yes
"are all characters about the same age?" Yes

"is Peter attracted by Mary and viceversa? (are they betraying Paul)" Peter(A) and Mary(C) are husband and wife. There was no romantic involvement between Paul(B) and Mary(C).

Sorry Bugimus... doesn't look like anyone is interested in Conundrums...

Sheesh, tell me about it. LOL!

Well something tells me that 124 posts means that people who actually post in this forum like conundrums shii. Or maybe thats just me

Screw everyone else, I must know the answer!! heheh....

Seriously, though, is B a dog or some other type of animal?

Throw me a bone here, bug.

Here's what we know:

Peter(A):
- human male
- fell to his knees due to some sort of medical problem or illness
- husband of Mary(C)
- after reaching into a drawer to shoot Paul(B) in the, he dies

Paul(B):
- human male
- was on his way to attack Mary(C)
- before he could attack her, he is shot in the leg by Peter(A)
- Paul(B) did *nothing* to harm or cause Peter(A) to die

Mary(C):
- wife of Peter(A)
- she has no idea anything is happening, she is in another part of the house.

There is no family relation between any of these people.

There is no romantic issue between them other than Peter and Mary are married.

GRUMBLE had asked if there was a *physical* fight between Peter and Paul before Paul turns to attack Mary. There was not a "physical" fight between them. They were discussing something *very* relevant to the solution before Paul turned to attack Mary.

Hints: It would be very good to find out what Peter and Paul were "discussing". It would also help to know what they do for a living.

Is one of them a professional assassin? Does B have a prosthetic leg? Does A's dying have anyting to do with the solution?

Were they talkin about C?

Were they talkin about wills? if so is B a lawyer, and A knew he was dying so he had no reason not to shoot a lawyer?

Did A know he was dying?

Was Money involved?

Is one of them a professional assassin? No
Does B have a prosthetic leg? No
Does A's dying have anyting to do with the solution? Yes
Were they talkin about C? Mary(C) was part of their discussion.
Were they talkin about wills? No
so is B a lawyer, and A knew he was dying so he had no reason not to shoot a lawyer? No
Did A know he was dying? Yes
Was Money involved? No

Was (B)Paul maybe mary's X/Hudband? Did (A)Peter have a stroke? How old are they all?

I think A said to B, "please go and attack my wife," so he did, and then as a practical joke, his last one before he died, A shot him in the leg.

buggs, i am going to hunt you down and kill you. okay?

No, eye, the bug must live to tell us the end of his story. But afterwards...hhehe...well....

Okay, do A and B work together (the peter, paul and mary thing is more confusing to me)?
Does A work with C?
Does B work with C?
Does A work in a professional field (doctor, lawyer, etc.)?
Does B work in a professional field?
Does C work in a professional field?

A should be Adam
B should be Barny
C should be Cindy

You had to go and make it More confusing eh?

Paul(B) was not Mary(C)'s ex-husband.

Peter(A) having a stroke is close enough, he had a heart attack.

They are all middle aged.

"do A and B work together" Yes
"Does A work with C?" No
"Does B work with C?" No
"Does A work in a professional field (doctor, lawyer, etc.)?" Yes, knowing which one is important.
"Does B work in a professional field?" Yes, knowing which one is important.
"Does C work in a professional field?" No

Slime said, "I think A said to B, 'please go and attack my wife', so he did, and then as a practical joke, his last one before he died, A shot him in the leg." No. It's crucial to know what A and B were discussing.

Now we're getting somewhere. The game is afoot, Watson.

Are A/B doctors?
Are A/B lawyers?
If A/B are doctors, is A B's doctor, or vice versa?
Also, are they in a hospital?
B was shot with a pistol, i.e. a handgun, correct?




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My post was just a joke anyway =)

Hey, wait, I bet B was telling A a conundrum, and A was so confused by it that he had a heart attack, and since he wanted his wife at least to survive, he shot B in the leg before he had a chance to tell it to C!

(Another joke, because i really can't figure this out =)

So, C was part of the discussion, Was the discusion mostly about her? Was she only mentioned in the discussion? somewhere inbetwixt?

Does there location matter?

Ok

What were A & B discussing?

What proffessional feild did A work in?

Note: I didn't type their names bugs because thats just typing more, it makes me want to hurt people to type more, why do you want me to hurt people?

another little riddle:

what is it that no man wants, yet no man wants to lose?

(i have two good answers to this riddle)

oh, and one question for the current riddle:

is A dying of natural causes?

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"Are A/B doctors?" YES. What type is important.
"If A/B are doctors, is A B's doctor, or vice versa?" No
"Also, are they in a hospital?" No
"B was shot with a pistol, i.e. a handgun, correct?" Correct

"Was the discusion mostly about C?" No
"somewhere inbetwixt?" That's probably the closest way of looking at it.
"Does their location matter?" No

InSiDeR, there's no need to hurt people Peter, Paul, & Mary or A, B, & C makes no diff to me.

bunchapixels, we have established that Peter(A) was dying of a naturally occurring heart attack.

And I would have to guess "responsibility".

bugs: hmm... responsibility doesn't fit as well as the 'real' answers...

and did B tell A something new about C?

is there anything unusual about C?

are A and B medical doctors? are they general practicioners? specialists?

does InSiDeR know how to ask a close-ended question?

oh, and a few more for those who give up on bug's:

riddle b2:
a man lies dead next to a rock.
explain.

riddle b3 (apparently true):
a man lies dead, in the forest, in a wetsuit.
explain.


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"did B tell A something new about C?" No
"is there anything unusual about C?" No
"are A and B medical doctors?" Yes
"are they specialists?" Yes, you're almost there on this detail!


I know the rock one but I'll let someone else answer.

I haven't heard the wetsuit one so I think he was a scuba diver and ran out of air and settled in a forest of kelp.

Bunchapixels, Riddle 1 - his wife

bugs, were A and B heart surgeons?

~We're not here for long, we're here for fun~

A and B were not heart surgeons. They were both medical doctors and specialists of some kind.

The wetsuite one:

The scuba diver was accidently scooped up by the water container of a chopper fighting a fire in the woods.

Release water over fire in forest-> scubadiver falls to his death.

were they orthopaedic doctors?

the man next to the rock, is the rock a gravestone?

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never mind...

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"orthopaedic doctors?" No

BAH!!! This is doing my nut!

Q, Bugimus, Bin Laden and Bill Gates are in a room. you have two bullets. who do you shoot?

A, Bugimus first. then shoot him again to make sure

~We're not here for long, we're here for fun~

Should I give hints?

well, seems as if we have to get through all possibilities

are they dentists?
are they gynocologisits?
are they opticians?
are they psychologists?
are they therapeuts?

(argh, i dont know the english names for all those specialists)

Yeah, maybe a hint would help. Not a little bit, not a big bit, but a middle bit. Something to keep us going.

God Damnit Nimraw & Morph, I hate school, I always miss answering the easy ones when I am at school. There was a fire in the forest and a helicopter was sweeping water from a near by lake to dump, the man was scuba-diving and was accidentally dropped in the fire. And yes, the guy was in his coffen not yet barried lying next to his tombstone.

Bug yes you should give hints because I seem to be the only one figuring things out just kidding, but I did find out about the heart attack! Thats important you know!

OK ok ok. This should be a hint that will knock this thing out once and for all.

"are they psychologists?" Close enough. They were both psychiatrists. They were professional colleagues. They were having a lively but gentlemanly argument about something related to their field of work.

they were discussing about the sense of life.
Peter was suffering of "suicidia" (=higly suicid endangered) and said to Paul he is going to kill him self, there fore Paul went to tell Mary, but Peter didnt want that, fell on his knees to reach in the drawer for the pistol. and you know the rest...

Sorry, that's not it.

not even close?
so what were they talking about?
Sigmunds Freuds theories?
anything related to death?
sex in modern society?

None of those things. Although "death" was certainly part of it.

Once you find out what they were disagreeing about, you should be able to piece the whole thing together.

Was A trying to do B a favor when he shot him?

No

ooh! they were disagreeing and they were talking about death and did they both know that he was dying of a heart attack? or did it come on because of the conversation? or what?

No, the heart attack was completely unexpected. It was not caused by anything they were discussing.

Key point: Paul(B) turned away from Peter(A) and then Peter(A) suffered the heart attack. Peter(A) dropped to his knees as a result of this heart attack and then shot Paul(B) in the leg. He shot him in the leg on purpose.

I think I'm going to need to hire a body guard after this is over.

Proud to have my 500'th post in this forum and in this thread!

Bugs, by any chance did B say something that startled A which led to A's heart attack?

Did B have a liter or container or surenge of any type holding a deadly disease and he said he was going to unleash it upon the world? I highly doubt it but I just finished watching 12 monkeys for the 50'th time.

edit: you posted the answere to my question 3 minuts before my post while I was still thinking and typing.... so nevermind my 1st "?"...


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InSiDeR, congrats on 500! And do you know that 12 Monkeys is one of my *all time* favorite movies? I just might have to watch it again tonight!

im already so HOT on the solution of this. its making me crazy...

we're they talking about heart-attacks or other kinds of heart-diseases/illness/infarcts ?
(although Peters heart-attack came unexpected)

hmmm. no. probably not.
another idea:
Paul must have said some so shocking to Peter that he got that heart-attack, right?

No, Paul(B) did or said *nothing* to bring on the heart attack, it was a completely independent and unexpected occurrence.

Were they maybe discussing suicide or assisted suicide?
Is C (the wife) healthy?
Did B plan on harming C?
If so, was A aware of this?

"discussing suicide or assisted suicide?" No
"Is C (the wife) healthy?" Perfectly healthy
"Did B plan on harming C?" Hint: Not exactly.
"If so, was A aware of this?" Hint: A and B were both aware of what was *supposed* to happen.

were they arguing about the death of C? direct from them or indirect>?

That's very close. You absolutely need to know what they were disagreeing about to know why I can't "yes" 100% to that.

Remember they were psychiatrists and they were having a disagreement about something related to their field of expertise. You are getting very warm!

Had A not had a heart attack, would he still have shot B? In other words, was it his heart attack that made him want to shoot B?
Did he intend to kill B or just wound him?

"was it his heart attack that made him want to shoot B?" Yes
"Did he intend to kill B or just wound him?" Just wound him

were they discussing the after life?

~We're not here for long, we're here for fun~

Did A shoot B to bring the fact that A was having a heart attack to B's attention? *g*

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LOL, raptor. do you really think shooting him was the only way to get attention?
i mean, if he could shoot he should at least be able to yell.

I like Raptor's idea, though.

Is this correct at all?

B intended to tell C something, at the request of A. However, once A had his heart attack, the thing B was going to tell C became false, as a result of the heart attack. So A shot B to keep him from telling C.

of course grumble! the best way to get somebody's 100% attention is to shoot them in the leg

"Remember they were psychiatrists and they were having a disagreement about something related to their field of expertise."

Were they arguing about the mental state of C in any way, be it schizophrenia, bipolar, sexual deviant, or otherwise?

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welll... herez for 180 posts.... lets get the answer b4 200 please!

Well bugs it looks like you are almost at 2000! And 12 monkeys was a great, mind throbbing, movie. Another I like is Blade Runner, futuristic or apocalyptic movies always grab my attention and some good drama's or murder mysteries too!

But anyway....

quote:

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"Did B plan on harming C?" Not exactly

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So they must have planned to do something to C. But B wasn't sure about how he was going to approach C.

Tell me did B end up killing C? Or does that not matter?

I just now realized bugs that you need to meet my dad, he is an entomologist and knows all kinds of things about bugs and how they are bugs themselves



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i just got done reading this ENTIRE thing and - good lord - someone PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTION!!! i am so confused I HAVE TO KNOW THE ANSWER PLEASE!!!! for everyone's sake JUST TELL US! =)

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nono... we are getting very close!!! i can feel it... just waitig for buggs to answer the above questions...

b and c are the same person before and after an operation?

Where's he hiding? Bugs! get here and sort this out, were're waiting on ya man

~runs round looking under rocks~

~We're not here for long, we're here for fun~

Im gonna squish you if you don't come out of where ever you are!

I'm here and I would love to see 200 so I'll continue here Thanks for opening it back up!

I know I shouldn't have gone out of town for a relaxing trip up the coast when we had such a great thread going. But for some strange reason, Wella gave me a funny look when I suggested we not go so I could continue with this thread. LOL!!!

I was hoping you would all solve this before I left. But I'm back and I see we're still going strong.

"discussing the afterlife?" No

"B intended to tell C something... ...So A shot B to keep him from telling C." No

"Were they arguing about the mental state of C in any way, be it schizophrenia, bipolar, sexual deviant, or otherwise?" They were not arguing about C's mental state.

"Tell me did B end up killing C?" C lived because A shot B in the leg.

"b and c are the same person before and after an operation?" No

Hint: They were arguing about what would happen in a hypothetical situation.

was the hypothetical concerning C?
did the bullet shot actually physically stop B from harming C?
did B end up reaching C?
was B's intent malicious?

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did B decide to act out the hypothetical idea and the other dude didnt want him to so he shot em?

"was the hypothetical concerning C?" Only in that B was on his way to attack her.
"did the bullet shot actually physically stop B from harming C?" Absolutely. And A intentionally aimed for the leg.
"did B end up reaching C?" No, thanks to A.
"was B's intent malicious?" Oh that's a tough one to answer. I can only say he was on his way to attack C.

"did B decide to act out the hypothetical idea..." Only partly.
"...and the other dude didnt want him to..." No. edit/hint/clarification: A and B were in agreement about what was supposed to happen.



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is there anything unusual about C, or her situation; or is the 'riddle bit' primarily concerning A and B, with C as the innocent bystander?

if A had not had a heart attack, would he have followed C?
would the entire even have been fairly trivial in this case?

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"is there anything unusual about C, or her situation; or is the 'riddle bit' primarily concerning A and B, with C as the innocent bystander?" YES, that is right on.

"if A had not had a heart attack, would he have followed C?" I'll assume you mean follow B and YES, he would have followed B very closely.

"would the entire even have been fairly trivial in this case?" YES, everything would have been much less dramatic had the heart attack not occurred.

I am smelling a solution getting very close now.

Is C pregnant, or in a coma or some other state of limbo and B was on his way to switch off her life support to prove she would/would not live?

~We're not here for long, we're here for fun~

No, C was perfectly normal and healthy.

B was on his way to attack C, but was it the vicious form of "attack"? Perhaps he was merely going to grab her up in his arms and kiss her which would also be considered "attacking".

We are closing in on the answere

um, bugs, was i 'right on' with the first half of the question (something unusual about C), or the second (innocent bystander)?
would the action that B was going to perform physically exertive (like kicking someone to death), or less strenuous (like depressing a foot pedal)?

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"was it the vicious form of "attack"?" Let's just say that if A had not shot B in the leg, B would have murdered C.

buncha, sorry I answered you very unclearly. I meant that you were right on the money that C was an innocent bystander. There was nothing special or unusual about C.

b would have shot her?
now that clears things up a bit...
and money was involved right?

ok a n b were planning to get rid of c to get all her decoration, jewels and so on.
but since a was going to die he saw that this is unfair and the least he could do is to prevent c from killing his wife.
game over.

hmmm, sounds plausable, Grumble but didn't someone say A intended to shoot B in the leg? the only reason I can think of for this is when A collapsed and grabbed his gun he shot B from under the desk and could only see his legs

~We're not here for long, we're here for fun~

yes and by the shot C would be warned that something evil is going on.

bugs, if A wouldnt have got the heart attack, C would have been killed
by B?
by A?
by A and B?

Money or taking jewelry had nothing to do the solution.

A intentionally shot B in the leg. He could have killed him if he wanted but chose only to injure him.

"if A wouldnt have got the heart attack, C would have been killed" Incorrect. If A did not have the heart attack, C would NOT have been killed. As it happens even with the heart attack C was saved by A's actions.

bugs you are confusing me. is there even a sensefull explanaition for that situation.
but on the other hand im so crazy about this, that i cant wait to hear it!

The solution is not only sensible but it is completely plausible. This is my all time favorite conundrum precisely because I remember what it was like the first time I tried to solve it with some friends several years ago.

The key to solving this is to find out *exactly* what the two psychiatrists were arguing about. Remember they were having a gentlemanly debate about a hypothetical situation that is related to their field of expertise.

Hint: They decided to settle their debate once and for all.

They aren't hypnotherapists debating whether you could hypnotise someone to kill someone else are they? A hypnotises B who goes off to murder C causing A to have a heart attack but he gets a gun and shoots B breaking B out of their hypnotic state.

I think I may have A and B mixed up but something like that? Perhaps B also hypnotised A to have the heart attack in a hypnotherapist's stare down!!

My best shot.

[edit: badly worded!!]

[edit: Swapped A and B around]

Emps

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Damn it Emps, thats too good. if thats not the answer then it deserves to be

<edit> btw, does anyone have a record on what the all time biggest posting was?

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My money is on Emp getting it right! Dadgumit!

WOO-HOO!
over 200 posts!

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to deviate even more... how long does it take to load this thread on a 56k?

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F I N A L L Y ! ! ! Emps that's it!!! Yeaaaahhhhh!!!

A and B were disagreeing on whether a hypnotized person would actually carry through with a murder. They decided to conduct an experiment where A would hypnotize B to go and murder C. Of course, A would be right there to snap B out of the hypnosis as soon as it became clear he was going to do the deed. But just as B turns to go attack C, A begins to suffer a fatal heart attack and realizes the only way to save his wife and not kill his friend is to shoot him in the leg.

That was fun

well done emps, and i know declare this thread - dead.

---so, DOES anyone love conundrums? i never found out.---

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