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AlterEgo
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Jul 2004

posted posted 12-01-2004 23:11

...a list at the bottom telling you who's online, like the otherwise quite rubbish GurusNetwork. Anyone agree or have any opinion on this?

kuckus
Paranoid (IV) Mad Librarian

From: Berlin
Insane since: Dec 2001

posted posted 12-01-2004 23:13

no

AlterEgo
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Jul 2004

posted posted 12-01-2004 23:25

Is that "no I don't like the idea" or "no I have no opinion"?

Slime
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Massachusetts, USA
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 12-01-2004 23:47

Well, the Asylum doesn't keep track of who's logged in (except via cookies on the user's machine), so I think it would require too many changes to implement, and I doubt TP would be up for it. =)


 

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: France
Insane since: Jun 2002

posted posted 12-01-2004 23:49

no. I don't care to know who's online. What would it change to my Asylum experience ? And if I want to contact an inmate and don't already have his/her email or IMid there's still the Send E-mail feature in his/her Patient File.

Rinswind 2th
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Den Haag: The Royal Residence
Insane since: Jul 2000

posted posted 12-02-2004 01:49

Or you open a thread and shout something like....mister-Y mail me or call me ok?

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poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: France
Insane since: Jun 2002

posted posted 12-02-2004 01:55

Or check if that inmate has a website and give it a go.

Black Hat
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Sin City (Can you guess where?)
Insane since: Sep 2004

posted posted 12-02-2004 06:23

You know what, a Private Message feature would totally rock. So would a "Whos Online" list. All BB Systems have one. Im pretty sure this one does but it is UltimateBB so I am not too sure, it should have one. I hate UBB. The admins should be able to enable such an option.

I would again, love to have a PM/Active Members thing.

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eyezaer
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: the Psychiatric Ward
Insane since: Sep 2000

posted posted 12-02-2004 07:31

Actually, Tp pretty much built this place as it is now. I am not sure who all was involved, but this is no hackored ubb board.

just fyi.

DmS
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Sthlm, Sweden
Insane since: Oct 2000

posted posted 12-02-2004 09:45

AlterEgo:
And you feel that this:

quote:
...like the otherwise quite rubbish GurusNetwork....


was really nessecarry?

You have every right to your opinion, but please respect the fact that there are a lot of talented & dedicated ppl running that site, several of them active here as well.
Do not kick them in the crotch like that, please.
/Dan

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WebShaman
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 12-02-2004 10:35

dito on the no (to who is online), and ditto to the remarks about the GurusNetwork - I actually started at the GurusNetwork first, before coming here. It is a great website, with some great tuts and resources.

Blaise
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: London
Insane since: Jun 2003

posted posted 12-02-2004 11:05

It's also the home of the fantastisco Creative CSS Contest, so get your arses over there and get involved!

Cheers.

Schitzoboy
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Yes
Insane since: Feb 2001

posted posted 12-02-2004 11:44

I don't think that feature is needed here. I also can't believe anyone would call the Gurus rubbish. To me it is invaluable. I do think there are so needed additions to the Grail though. For instance the auto-pagination is great, but I wish pages like quick changes had links to all the different pages in a format like <1> <2> <3> ... etc. That way I didn't have to click on a thread I'm keeping up on and then click on the page I want, I could just jump right to it.



(Edited by Schitzoboy on 12-02-2004 11:53)

Suho1004
Maniac (V) Mad Librarian

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 12-02-2004 13:14

OK, sorry to bust in here with an off-topic comment (I can't help it, really), but the first thing I thought of when I read the thread title was:

The Asylum really needs...

"...a swift kick in the pants."



Carry on.

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AlterEgo
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Jul 2004

posted posted 12-02-2004 17:59

Goody.
A list like the one I suggested could be useful to just get a vague idea of how many members/guests are online to see if, for example, you post a thread, how many people might reply how quickly. Or private messages. You could send private messages. I just think it might be useful, and anyway it was just a suggestion.
Sorry if I offended anyone with the GurusNetwork comment, but I joined not too long ago and just found that there really wasn't that much there to hold my interest. If you like it then cool, but I didn't. I can express my opinion, although I see that it's probably not always wise to do so.
So...um...
Sorry.

Tyberius Prime
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Germany
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 12-02-2004 20:09

indeed, the grail doesn't know who you are until you post.
Private messages have been left out deliberatly - I don't want another place to check for messages. Use the email forms.
As for the 'who's online' feature, I always thought that to be a bloody invasion of privacy - and the asylum's never been a fast moving place. Post and come back in a few hours, don't expect replies right away.

so long,

->Tyberius Prime

RhyssaFireheart
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Out on the Sea of Madness...
Insane since: Dec 2003

posted posted 12-02-2004 20:29

About the only thing that I wish the Asylum had that I can't seem to live without are navigation links for previous/next post. I can live without them because I use those alot related to my browsing methods. I tend to start at the oldest new post and then read through the threads to catch up until I reach the most recent post. It just gets old having to go to the index to switch to another thread. I can live without it though, because like I said, some of it is just related to my browsing style.

Active members showing... I've seen it all sorts of ways, from a list at the bottom of the page to a separate who's online page, and unless I'm looking for a quick response to a PM, it's not that big a deal to not have one. Same for PMs, if you don't have them, you don't really miss them. It's rather nice to not have to worry about checking my PMs or worrying about remaining logged in or logging in each time.

And if TP built this from scratch, or even had just a bsic forum to build off of, this is an incredible forum and he did an awesome job. It's not easy to do. My guild's webmaster has heavily modified the forums that we use, and even then they still have a lot in common with the Infopop boards that they started out as.

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poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: France
Insane since: Jun 2002

posted posted 12-02-2004 20:37

RhyssaFireheart: I don't know how others do to browse the Asylum, but personnally I don't check the index anymore but just the QuickChanges and open each thread of interrest in a new tab, and voilà.

Lord_Fukutoku
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Back in West Texas... How disappointing
Insane since: Jul 2002

posted posted 12-02-2004 21:02
quote:
All BB Systems have one.

Well then, that's reason enough for TP, etc to include it here

The only thing that I can think of that's missing is what Schitzo mentioned:

quote:
For instance the auto-pagination is great, but I wish pages like quick changes had links to all the different pages in a format like <1> <2> <3> ... etc.



However, that's a fairly minor thing that I think I can live without.
On the grand scale of things though, TP (and everyone else involved in the creation/maintenance of the Grail) have done an absolutely marvelous job. On somewhat of a sidenote, I think it's unfortunate that there are far more threads focused on "We need this", or "We need that", or "This needs changed" than there are on "Hey, thanks guys (and girls) for making this board/faq as great as it is, allowing us to share the vast amounts of information that gets passed through these halls."

Back on topic... I don't see the need for messaging each other through here or being able to see who's online...

Iron Wallaby
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: USA
Insane since: May 2004

posted posted 12-02-2004 21:03
quote:
Black Hat said:

All BB Systems have one.


One thing I always wondered was, WHY THE HECK DO FORUMS TELL YOU WHO'S ONLINE?

Forums are a form of asynchronous communication -- ie. not realtime. It matters little to none who is online at any given moment, since my message is not intended to be in realtime anyway.

Now, if there was an official OzoneAsylum IRC chat or something, then that would be a different story... I wouldn't mind a listing of who is in the chat at any given moment. If someone I wanted to talk to was in there, then hey, I'd pop on in.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -- Arthur C. Clarke
"Any sufficiently arcane magic is indistinguishable from technology." -- P. David Lebling

(Edited by Iron Wallaby on 12-02-2004 21:04)

(Edited by Iron Wallaby on 12-02-2004 21:05)

Rinswind 2th
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Den Haag: The Royal Residence
Insane since: Jul 2000

posted posted 12-03-2004 00:57

For application development there is even an other way to go. It's called Mono and it's based on the .NET framework. Mono is the open source answer to .NET envirronments.
See:
http://www.mono-project.com/about/index.html --->mono project page
http://www.gotmono.net/gotmono/docs.html ---> mono documentation

This might be just the thing you need.

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Ebopedoce
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From: Lying Naked in the Periwinkle
Insane since: Nov 2004

posted posted 12-03-2004 04:59

Me, I really don't care and thank you to TP and team for making this place.

Rinswind 2th
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Den Haag: The Royal Residence
Insane since: Jul 2000

posted posted 12-03-2004 09:08

^^^^ that last post doesn't belong there.. i made little mistake with two open threads yesterday

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Nimraw
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Styx
Insane since: Sep 2000

posted posted 12-03-2004 10:29

I second the No on who's online.

In part because I do not have any use for it, and in part since it's flawed in most cases.
I almost never shut down my computer at home, meaning I'm always online and usually with the Asylum open in one browser. Meaning that I'd appear to be online while I'm not.

And also just because I'm online does not necessarily mean that I have anything to add to a new thread or that I have a well formulated answer to give to a discussion I'm already in.

Just my 2 pennies

Jestah
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Long Island, NY
Insane since: Jun 2000

posted posted 12-03-2004 17:14

I don't really think its a necessary feature. I've been to a few message boards where they have them and its never really been an issue. If someone wanted to implement it into the code I wouldn't have any objections over it, but of all the things that could be worked on it seems to be the less useful.

DL-44
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

posted posted 12-03-2004 19:16

novelty item at best....

Yannah
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: In your Hard Drive; C:
Insane since: Dec 2002

posted posted 12-04-2004 07:34

I don't care if they add some features, but that would take up space and time.

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silence
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Melbourne, Australia
Insane since: Jan 2001

posted posted 12-06-2004 18:50

Put me down for a NO on all suggestions except the page navigation.

Emperor
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 12-06-2004 20:59

I vote no. If it was a built in feature of the forum you are using and it isn't a problem then I'd say leave it in. As it isn't I'd say not to bother - it just doesn't seem worth the effort.

quote:
DmS said:

Do not kick them in the crotch like that, please.



At least not unles they ask you to

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eyezaer
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: the Psychiatric Ward
Insane since: Sep 2000

posted posted 12-07-2004 00:55

Looking over the last few pages, I think we need a voting / polling system here.


Whats your vote?

Schitzoboy
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Yes
Insane since: Feb 2001

posted posted 12-07-2004 01:38

I vote no ....

*CRAP* you tricked me! =)

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: France
Insane since: Jun 2002

posted posted 12-07-2004 02:25

I vote : use the and Slimies to vote.

Black Hat
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Sin City (Can you guess where?)
Insane since: Sep 2004

posted posted 12-07-2004 19:49

I vote yes.

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Lord_Fukutoku
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Back in West Texas... How disappointing
Insane since: Jul 2002

posted posted 12-07-2004 21:48

I vote

Tao
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

posted posted 12-07-2004 22:51

I'll count the chads

:::tao::: ::cell::

sib
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Canada
Insane since: Jul 2002

posted posted 12-07-2004 23:15

Vote or no vote ...
I like it the way it is now !!!

sib

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: France
Insane since: Jun 2002

posted posted 12-07-2004 23:29

Sure, the Asylum rocks.
It's way more convenient to use than all those tasteless PhpBB or Invision boards around.

Cameron
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Brisbane, Australia
Insane since: Jan 2003

posted posted 12-09-2004 20:05

Private messaging in a forum is pointless as I know lots of people who'd never check it, or disable it. Those that do have it enabled would like also post their ICQ/MSN details anyway.

A "who's online" feature makes little sense in a forum context as well. The only thing it really adds is an interesting non-linear way to explore user profiles, whilst novel, serves no real need. Add to that the general privacy concerns most highly web orientated folk have and it becomes more of a negative.

The asylum is what it is because it doesn't implement a million and one features that it's users really don't want - as evident by this thread.

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