Topic awaiting preservation: Let us talk about Prayer. (Page 5 of 5)

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Ehtheist said:

stretch your arm behind your back...while touching your toes.

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LMAO@Ehtheist

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NoJive said:

Years ago I saw something similar in a concrete urinal.

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I know this might be slightly off topic, but have you ever gone inside a stall , you flush to get a nice clean bowl before hanging a rat tail, and then you notice this huge floater just swaying in the current?
With no hint of TP anywhere in the bowl?

What's up with that? Did the perp think "Wow, what a work of art. I got to share this with the world. I won't wipe my butt for fear of covering this master-piece-of-shit with TP" .

Did the SOB just walk out with an ass bedecked in shit just so we could marvel at his progeny?

THe arrogance of some people.

sorry for the distraction, please continue wiht the thread

I'm playing a bit of "catch up" here, bear with me.

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DL-44 said:

Most scholars agree that (forgive me if I'm off on the count) 6 of the 13 works attributed to Paul are not actually written by him.

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You are quite correct that several of the books traditionally ascribed to Paul are not accepted by many scholars today. I take back my statement that most of the NT was written by Paul. I do take a traditional view of the authorship of those 13 books and I'm even inclined to believe Paul wrote Hebrews but that still amounts to just half of the total 27.

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Also, the earliest versions of the new testament that we have, containing more than just bits or pieces of a page, date to the 3rd century and later. The earliest complete versions, the 4th or 5th century.

That's a loooooooong time for things to change. Given the changes we *know* about from existing versions, the possibilities of previous changes are quite limitless...

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Agreed that the earliest fragment that I've read about dates to about 150CE. But one thing that is critical to point out is that all of the docuements we do have point to source material a couple of decades after the events in question and well within the life spans of the eye witnesses, namely the apostles. I don't see how this affords a situation where limitless modifications could occur.

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Bugimus said:

Most scholars agree that (forgive me if I'm off on the count) 6 of the 13 works attributed to Paul are not actually written by him.

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I think Paul's stuff was generally better than John's - in fact most of John's stuff was sub-par. When Paul and John collaborated - well that's a differnet story - there was good synery. George wrote some decent stuff. But the one without any talent was Ringo.

edit: the synery was good, but the synergy was even more synergistic

(Edited by ZaddyDog on 04-21-2005 01:34)

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briggl said:

What evidence did Paul provide to back up his claims, other than saying that it happened?

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DL-44 said:

It is evidence for nothing other than the fect that he changed the cause he was fighting for. He was a zealot for one cause who turned into a zealot for another cause.

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If all we knew about Paul was what DL says here, then there wouldn't be much to back up his claims. But the reason I add far more weight to his writings than that is because the original apostles accepted him as did the first churches. Their acceptance lends credibility to his conversion story since I accept the original apostles words as "gospel" truth

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So......because they accepted his story, it's true?

They would be exceedingly eager for someone in Paul's position to take up their cause. Suspicious, certainly, and most likely concerned over his strong-headedness....but still...
I was also under the impression that they *didn't* really buy it...

It was as big a boon as to christianity as Constantine's conversion. Do you buy his story about his vision of christ?

Zaddy - you've made it abundantly clear you have nothing to contribute. If the topic bores you so, feel free to go elsewhere =)

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Zaddy - you've made it abundantly clear you have nothing to contribute. If the topic bores you so, feel free to go elsewhere =)

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Exactly.

Consider this a friendly warning.

On with the thread!

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WebShaman said:
Consider this a friendly warning.

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As opposed to an unfriendly warning?

This forum is called Philosophy and other silliness.
I haven't seen much philosophy in this thread, i've seen bullying though..i've seen intolerance towards other - particularly aimed at Jade and Gideon.

If you want to Ban me - I guess you can - be my guest.
and if you want to censor me, then you should rewrite the TOS.
you should also be conscious of how your bullying and intolerance borders on hate crimes.

i'm sure Doc would be very proud - no wonder so many veterans have left the asylum.

i know i'm not always funny, i guess you saw this as disruptive...but ppl who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

i'll stay out of this thread - i wouldn't want to desecrate it.

on with YOUR thread.

Nobody said anything about banning, jackass.

You have consistently jumped into discussions with nothing whatsoever to contibute to the discussion.

It gets old.

Quick.

Like a hyper active 3 year old.

*sigh*

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If you want to Ban me - I guess you can - be my guest.
and if you want to censor me, then you should rewrite the TOS.
you should also be conscious of how your bullying and intolerance borders on hate crimes.

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First of all, I never said anything about banning. I have never banned anyone on these boards. And I never will. I'm not even sure if I can - I think only Finglongers can...but I could be wrong on that.
I never said anything about censoring you, either.
My "bullying"? My "intolerance"? Bordering on hate crimes?
I give you a friendly warning, and you jump out with remarks on banning, censorship, and bullying and intolerance bording on hate crimes.

Lordy, you need to cut down on the caffeine.

Basically, it means if you have something to contribue to the thread topic, then do so. If you just want to shoot your mouth off, and post inane remarks, then start your own thread, please.

Sometimes, I lock threads. Sometimes, I admonish others, yes. Occasionally, I put my foot down firmly, when most other techniques have been exhausted. Most of these types of occurances are rare, coming from me.

Back to your comments in this thread - show me what your comments have to do with the topic of the thread and the question that I posed, please.

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DL-44 said:
Nobody said anything about banning, jackass.

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You shouldn't make it personal DL-44.
You shouldn't insult someone in a thread unless you were ready to do it face to face as well.
Asswipe.

ZD, is this really how you wish things to go for you here on these boards?

I suggest that you take a few long breaths before posting such again.

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You shouldn't insult someone in a thread unless you were ready to do it face to face as well.

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I can't speak for DL, but I can for myself. Yes, when I say something here, I woud also say it in RL, to someone directly. I'm not really sure what you mean by this directly, so I will take it as it reads. The inuendos, however, suggest violence. Is that really how you wish to be interpreted?

If you feel that you need to express something personally, take it to mail.

Now, if you are not up to answering my questions, and still have the urge to fill this thread with inane statements not related, please leave it, and start your own.

Got that?

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WebShaman said:
The inuendos, however, suggest violence

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Not suggesting violence. Not at all.

My point, which was pretty clear, was that if he doesn't insult ppl personally in RL then he shouldn't do it here either. And my original comment was for you , not him, does he need to gang up on me?

Look WS...let's leave it at that. OK?
I was going to leave this thread but did not care for his insult - his childish parting shot.

I'm leaving it now...so he can insult me and then gloat that he had the last word.

peace

I speak here like I speak anywhere. I call 'em like I see 'em. More than happy to move on...

Good heavens to murgatroyd. After all the high-minded discourse here all of a sudden we are down to the kindergarten sand box?

Grow up you guys.

If you feel insulted then it is bcause you want to be.

Anyone who allows anything posted on an anonymous board to be considered an insult is either horribly insecure or desperatly seeking insults.

"All religions are equally sublime to the ignorant, useful to the politician, and ridiculous to the philosopher." -- Lucretius, Roman Poet (94 - 55 BCE)

Desperately Seeking Insults... wasn't that a really lame movie from the 80s?

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Ehtheist said:

Good heavens to murgatroyd.

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Honestly, I always that it was spelled "mergatroid." Weird.

Oh, and I've met DL face to face, and I can honestly tell you I feared for my life the entire time. Think Clint Eastwood crossed with Ahnold Governator crossed with Chuck Norris crossed with a really pissed off scorpion.

On the other hand, he's a really good cook, and he's got good taste in beer.

Oh yeah, nice thread, by the way. I've been kind of following along, but I didn't want to post until things stooped down to my level (and, in the end, they always do). Carry on.

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I kinda like your spelling, seems 'current', trendy.

I am a passable cook myself...for a heathen, but very fussy about beer (say, we off topic?). Won't drink anything pasturized or chemically aged or preserved.

Hang around, we may drag this down a little further.

"All religions are equally sublime to the ignorant, useful to the politician, and ridiculous to the philosopher." -- Lucretius, Roman Poet (94 - 55 BCE)

"Let us talk about prayer"

I pray the bullshit is over.

Good way to really tear down a thread and then turn it back to something useful. I get more and more pleased all the time.

On to further notes. The size of this thread is really massive, time consuming to post to due to lag. So I am going to do something that hasn't been done with this new forum to my knowledge. I am going to close this thread and start up a number 2.

If any of you other MS out there don't like this, just call me dumb and re open it.

Dan @ Code Town