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Quotes from the The American Taliban

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"With all due respect to those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew."

Bailey Smith

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OMFG!!!
Does any of those nut have a brain



(Edited by poi on 08-29-2005 03:02)

Want to hear something really disturbing: I once thought Ann Coulter was hot.

Where was I? Gah! I won't be banned for admitting that will I?

Anyway, that listing needs updated to include Rev. (...cough...) Robertson's calls for the assassination of Hugo Chavez.

I don't know why, anyone who wants to kill a guy offering me cheap gas is no friend of mine.

Ramasax
www.AmericanSerf.us

Great galloping Goose bumps!

Geez, keep those people south of the border willya?

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

Now...there is nothing there that I have not heard and/or read before.

but.....holy shit it is frigthening to see all together like that...

if there were a god to pray to, i would pray that he smite the christian-right before they destory the world...

Even scarier (and that was a very scary look at the Xian Right, I must agree! ) are the number of Asylumites that would agree with that site and the views depicted there, IMHO.

How do people get so messed up?

I know a few of the people on that list very well and would just like to let you good people know that those are extreeemely sensationalistic quotes taken out of context. I can only surmise the reason for doing so would be to whip peoples of a more liberal mindset into the opposite end of this same perceived hatred, so uh, beware

You guys are starting to sound a bit like the pharisees sitting in judgement over an adulterous woman these days, looking for division and someone to beat down. Again, beware.

And of course, I apologize in advance for telling you how to behave

JKMbabry: It makes no doubt those quotes are taken out of context, but still many goes really really far.

Then show us the full context, that we me take some comfort in your allegation.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

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"Being nice to people is, in fact, one of the incidental tenets of Christianity, as opposed to other religions whose tenets are more along the lines of 'kill everyone who doesn't smell bad and doesn't answer to the name Mohammed'"

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I'd really, really like to see your "taken out of context" apply to this. Note that "religions" is the key word used here. That encompasses all the others here, that are not Xian - like Buddhists and Hindus, for example. That is just not true, no matter how you draw the context.

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"With all due respect to those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew."

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I don't think there IS a context one can say that in, and appear any differently.

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"Yes, religion and politics do mix. America is a nation based on biblical principles. Christian values dominate our government. The test of those values is the Bible. Politicians who do not use the bible to guide their public and private lives do not belong in office."

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I'm trying really, really hard to think of a context where that doesn't sound like a religious fanatic. Really. Maybe I am just not smart enough.

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"American Veterans are to blame for the fag takeover of this nation. They have the power in their political lobby to influence the zeitgeist, get the fags out of the military, and back in the closet where they belong!"

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This is so repugnant, that I as a Veteran cannot for the life in me see ANY way that can be said in a context that isn't insulting, and downright meanspirited. But maybe I am wrong. Please enlighten me.

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"AIDS is a racial disease of Jews and African American (derogatory word removed), and fortunately it is wiping out the (word replaced) Homosexuals. I guess God hates (word replaced) Homosexuals for several reasons. There is one big reason to be against (word replaced) Homosexuals and that is because every time some white boy is seduced by a (word replaced) Homosexual into becoming a (word replaced) Homosexual, means his white bloodline has run out."

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JK, I don't believe even you can support this - I'm hoping you somehow overlooked it. I hope so.

Anything by Jerry Falwell is...not worth mentioning here. It is not worthy of being considered, because it is such garbage, that there is no reason to include it here.

The same goes for Jimmy Swaggert -

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"Evolution is a bankrupt speculative philosophy, not a scientific fact. Only a spiritually bankrupt society could ever believe it...Only atheists could accept this Satanic theory."

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That is one of the stupidest thing I have ever heard - not a scientific Fact? Oh. I see. Ok, so, the sceintists who follow the defining criteria of what a scientific fact is, coin it a scientific fact (that evolution occurs, and has been measured).

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"Nobody has the right to worship on this planet any other God than Jehovah. And therefore the state does not have the responsibility to defend anybody's pseudo-right to worship an idol."

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Just wondering what other context that can be meant in, and still not be what it is - a fanatical statement.

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"Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different...More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history."

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Yup. Why, just the other day, I heard they gassed a few hundered thousand more evangelical Xians. Serves them right!

There are a lot of others, as well - a looooong list. But those that I have mentioned above are a good start.

I'm ready to be enlightened.

JK - it is clear that some of those quotes are out of context. It is clear that the purpose of collecting them like that was to make a point.

But with many of those quotes, it is simply not possible to them in a context where they would be anything other than horrifying.

Context my ass. Much more than not, those quotes can be taken as stand alone, and any context you put them in they come out sounding the same.

Jade, take note....THESE are the people who need prayers.....NOT homosexuals.

(Not that I think prayer would do much good for these people--but these are the evil ones. Not atheists, not feminists, not homosexuals, not any other group. And somebody needs to take Pat Robertson by those two little horns growing out of his head and sling him around a little bit.)

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In the web that is my own, I begin again...

oh good gravy, when am I supposed to get any work done?

you people. Serves me right for speaking in this forum against all better judgement and personal policy

The only thing I really have time to summarize my earlier commentary:

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JK, I don't believe even you can support this - I'm hoping you somehow overlooked it.

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overlooked correct, I saw a lot of good men quoted out of context and a lot of mean bastards that I didn't bother to read cuz I'd heard them before and was repulsed. I did look at what was posted under the names of a few men I was familiar with to see what the bias was inclined to point out. One that stood out as an example of out-of-context sensationalism was Tony Evans:

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"The demise of our community and culture is the fault of sissified men who have been overly influenced by women."

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This guy is a very caring man. I don't like the way he dresses or his wife's hair or the stereotypical eloquent blackmaaaaan way he presents his message etc etc etc, but I've heard him talk on a few occassions and he has nothing but love and wisdom to give. The quote provided out of context, and jammed into the context of that setting unfairly lumped him in with some real psychos, making his out of context words look psycho by association. This is what I have issue with regarding this page, that is what I attempted to communicate in a quick shot earlier.

My issue with you *guys* lately is that I grow weary of the clutter of derisive speak threads in the /quickchanges. I've known the majority of you guys for a while now and I know you've got more love than hate in there but damn if you're not beginning to resemble a band of bullies on the playground that are feeling their strength over the younger kids. That'd be tragic to see that developing scenario come to it's full fruition. My perspective is valid, there are probably more who share, whether it's worth your consideration is of course entirely up to you. I simply miss the days when the volume of energy expended in these types of threads was devoted to sharing knowledge and growing friendships instead.

this is the OzoneAsylum?

So, JKM, you cannot produce any evidence these were taken out of context?

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

Ann Coulter said "Not all muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are muslim.
Response: Anybody heard of the IRA????
How about the KKK or Neo-Nazis (which is what most of these extremist morons sound like)

"Being nice to people is, in fact, one of the incidental tenets of Christianity, as opposed to other religions whose tenets are more along the lines of 'kill everyone who doesn't smell bad and doesn't answer to the name Mohammed'"
Response: Ummm....how about the crusades. Christians: "AHH! They're differant. They smell bad and don't answer to the name of Jesus. KILL THEM!!!!!!!!!" Or Maybe the fact that Hitler was a christian. What about that king, William the Conqueror, wasn't it. Raped and tortured his own people and called himslef the first CHRISTIAN king.

I could conitnue with all of them but I will save your time.

"When people say 'clean as a whistle' they forget that a whistle is full of spit."

Two more things:
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."

Response:
1.Two words: Nuremburg Trials
2.War does not sanction murder. The killing of noncombatants is just that, especially when it serves no real purpose.

"When people say 'clean as a whistle' they forget that a whistle is full of spit."

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So, JKM, you cannot produce any evidence these were taken out of context?

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Haha, not at the moment bro, but you can knock yourself out

In fact JKM, you cannot produce the quotes in context at all.

Yours is merely a feeble, feckless and impotent attempt to divert from the truth.

Toddle off now, your credibility has been shredded.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

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JKMabrysaid:

My issue with you *guys* lately is that I grow weary of the
clutter of derisive speak threads in the /quickchanges. I've known the
majority of you guys for a while now and I know you've got more love
than hate in there but damn if you're not beginning to resemble a band
of bullies on the playground that are feeling their strength over the
younger kids. That'd be tragic to see that developing scenario come to
it's full fruition. My perspective is valid, there are probably more
who share, whether it's worth your consideration is of course entirely
up to you. I simply miss the days when the volume of energy expended in
these types of threads was devoted to sharing knowledge and growing
friendships instead.

this is the OzoneAsylum?

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Here here! Well said that man.

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Diogenes said:

In fact JKM, you cannot produce the quotes in context at all.

Yours is merely a feeble, feckless and impotent attempt to divert from the truth.

Toddle off now, your credibility has been shredded.

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Ya boo sucks, Diogenes every thread you engage yourself in you end up insulting someone, why is this? It also worries me that you also only participate in the Phylosophy and other silliness section of a Web Designer forum...

of course, you're not the only person that's guilty of this...

Cheers,

Diogenes, Just because JKM doesn't have every interview or speech transcript these quotes came from doesn't mean he hasn't made a good point. Your posts however come off just as arrogant as these 'American Taliban' quotes, but yours are not out of context.

Don't be silly. One is insulted only if one wishes to be. If my observations and opnions are not couched in PC lingo, tough.

Don't take too much on yourself Blaise, worrying about what other's do and why can lead to bleeding ulcers.

Skitz, if he is going to claim the quotes are out of context, then he damned well better be prepared to prove it. Until then, my comment stands unchallenged.

It is often considered arrogant when someone dares to challenge another's point of view. (we need a 'shrug' slimy).

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

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Here here!

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Somewhat agreeable, bu even though I have been dragged through their muck, does not mean that they have nothing to offer others.
For me the jury is still out on this idea. MAybe 4 years is enough to know, but I can't vouch for that. I'm new, and I'm expecting such responses. Maybe people should just get used to this fact?

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Ya boo sucks, Diogenes every thread you engage yourself in you end up insulting someone, why is this?

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* Ditto, see above *

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Just because JKM doesn't have every interview or speech transcript these quotes came from doesn't mean he hasn't made a good point.

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Then let him, or you, or anyone, start a new thread, quote one of those quotes, and defend it, as if it WERE taken out of context. Show us your wisdom.

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my comment stands unchallenged.

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Hurray for you

I realize that you seem to put a lot of stock in that idea, but it is really quite meaningless.

You need to grasp this dio - people here, for the most part, don't really give a shit about being 'PC', so you not being PC has nothing to do with anything, as much as like to think that's what a person's problem is.

JK clarified his statement quite thoroughly. If it's not what you wanted from him....oh well. Move on...

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It also worries me that you also only participate in the Phylosophy and other silliness section of a Web Designer forum

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Just because he doesn't participate in the Web Designer parts of this forum has no bearing on anything he posts. (Whether I or anyone else agree with him or not.)

I usually only participate in the Phylosophy and other Silliness section, the Ozone section and the Photography section. Does that mean that my opinions are not valid?

JK wimped out. He made an unsubstantiated claim and when asked to prove it, he ran.

There would be no point at all in my taking part in the computer skills part of this marvellous forum as my computer skills begin and end with turning the damn thing on.

Why anyone would be concerned about that fact, is beyond my simply ability to comprehend.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

He didn't "wimp out"
He made a statement, and later clarified his point.

The fact that his clarification doesn't match what you think his original statement should have weighed in as, is completely immaterial.

And yes, which parts of the forum you participate in is also immaterial.

Ok DL, have it your way.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

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Jade, take note....THESE are the people who need prayers.....NOT homosexuals.

(Not that I think prayer would do much good for these people--but these are the evil ones. Not atheists, not feminists, not homosexuals, not any other group. And somebody needs to take Pat Robertson by those two little horns growing out of his head and sling him around a little bit.)

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I make no assumptions on the state of anyone's soul. And you guys just still don't get it. I harbor no predjudices at anyone person who is not a Chrisitian or does not follow Christian principles. I might add that regardless most of you still follow Christian principles regardless of what you claim . Attempts to find a comaderie with these quoted persons with all the Christian faithful only shows a narrow prejudical uneducated mentality in regard to Christianity. These quoted persons do not speak for all Christianity. They are not national spokespersons for the Christians souls who inhabit the earth. This is either ignorant or blind by choice to percieve all faithful religious persons in this regard. Persons are not made inherrentaly evil. The perform evil acts because they follow evil by choice. And are allowed to change and follow good by choice to be redeemed. We are given chances to make good for a bad or wayward thoughts of judgement. I make no presumptions on the state of a persons soul on a degree of evil one embraces. For one to say these quoted persons are evil is to be in judgement. Most of you in your post regarding Anti-Christian debates generalize Christians acts of one in relation to all the whole of Christianity when debating your point. This is a misquied view. One can never have a well thought out rational discussion with one who sees only what he chooses to see by prejudice and does not open his mind to spiritual possibilities. You lash out t "closeminded" and refer it back to you in return. You don't understand what you don't feel or have felt regarding ones spiritual character. So, how do you propose to undertand them or want to understand them. Your so bent on revolutionizing Christian thought to your secularized idologies you miss the real message. In your accusations you may be no different from those you quoted. All Christians who embrace idologies that are contrary to Christ's message usually have an underlying motive or cause, be it political or whatever. A well informed guided Christians can see beyond these quoted persons intent.

But, all persons need prayers, not a select few and this includes myself. I pray for everyone regardless, to seek Christ's counsel in their daily life.

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JK wimped out. He made an unsubstantiated claim and when asked to prove it, he ran.

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I made no unsubstantiated claim, I offered words for consumption. Do I need to prove what I said was is true? If you don't trust me that's fine, if you require proof to believe, that's fine as well. I'd like to even provide it for you but it would take more time than I have. If prioritizing a tasklist and moving "satisfy diogenes" to the bottom of said list is "wimpy" I'm a giant wuss. Frankly you're not on my list atm, no offense.

I'm no wuss and I run from no serious work that needs to be done. The fact that I don't rate you shouldn't be taken as an insult, it's not meant that way. And I'm happy to pretend that you haven't offended me in the interest of common decency and friendliness

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I simply miss the days when the volume of energy expended in
these types of threads was devoted to sharing knowledge and growing
friendships instead.

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I hear you, JK.

I hear you.

And I agree.

Oh hell JK, I am in no way offended. I sure don't take criticism or critique personally and frankly, can't understand people who do.

My point is you, claimed the quotes were out of context.

This is the sort of response one usually hears from politicians (which is why I always taped them during interviews).

The quotes are violent and elitist. If someone claims they are not, taken in context of the entire speech, it didn't seem unreasonable to me for that person to provide evidence to back up the claim.

When said person then advises they simply don't have the time to do so, one is naturally suspicious of their ability to do so.

If the issue is not important enough for you to substantiate, then one wonders why you bothered to comment at all?

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

Fuck women! Fuck men! Fuck old people!
Fuck jews! Fuck black people! Fuck white people!
Fuck italian people! Fuck chinese people!
Fuck heterosexuals! Fuck homosexuals!

Now you can easily take "Fuck black people!" out of the context ...
because what i really meant was: Fuck everyone!

I've been deceived in my life too. Media has made many people
look worse than they are and some better than they are. Even
individuals have deceived me with their speaches. I don't think
anyone is entirely evil nor good (especially good). It's usually
the values that matter.

I can't say religious people are evil. Even terrorists. Neither
muslim nor christian. (oh yea there are christian terrorists too,
not counting the countless number of thieves, murderers and
raipists that are almost non existant in muslim countries)
Terrorists don't take their ideas from thin air! ... It's the religious
leaders who have the money, the power, do the converting and
planning. They are usually also well educated and know how to
manipulate those who have been less fortunate in their lives...
I'm sure some of the TERRIBLE terrorist are just poor hopeless
guys taken from streets and brainwashed to do evil biddings ...

Noone is born evil.

[codeNoone is born evil.][/code]

You never met my ex-mother-in-law.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

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I hear you, JK.

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I should hope to think that that this is not a specific feeling.

"Giving" is an inherent US attribute! Whether it be on our home court, or overseas, the US helps mankind, and at any given oppourtunity!

" You are no match for Lord Gorlok! "

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Fuck women! Fuck men! Fuck old people!
Fuck jews! Fuck black people! Fuck white people!
Fuck italian people! Fuck chinese people!
Fuck heterosexuals! Fuck homosexuals!

Now you can easily take "Fuck black people!" out of the context ...
because what i really meant was: Fuck everyone!

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That is a very poor example. Because if you really mean to say "fuck everyone", then just say it. By specifically mentioning groups, you may think that you are saying "fuck everyone", but it easily comes accross as a direct insult to that particular group.

For example, this

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"With all due respect to those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew."

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It really doesn't matter what context one puts that in - it is STILL derogatory, and it is false (Jews can belong to different religions, right?).

It is also a statement dripping with bigotry.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

WebShaman, I know most of these quotes are bad in whatever context but in some cases you can't really judge people that easily.

A month ago or so a journalist came up to me in my little hometown. Asked me something and left. Later when I bought the paper there was a tiny, stupid looking picture of me and under that a few lines that at first I couldn't recognise. The idea was about the same but the words were different and made me sound stupid.


Btw I hate it when people don't get a joke and then just can't shut up. When someone makes a bad joke or you don't get it. Just shut up. There's no need to say "Hey, this joke is shit.". That just creates a totally different outcome for the conversation. One that was not desired by the one who spoke first.

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One that was not desired by the one who spoke first.

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So the person 'listening' is to blame? Me thinks you may do well in politics.

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WebShaman, I know most of these quotes are bad in whatever context but in some cases you can't really judge people that easily.

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I never said that one could.

*shrug*

The majority of the quotes on that page are heinous.

I went through them one by one and did find a few that I don't think belong at all. I'm just pulling out a few to comment on.

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Beverly LaHaye (Concerned Women for America)
"Yes, religion and politics do mix. America is a nation based on biblical principles. Christian values dominate our government. The test of those values is the Bible. Politicians who do not use the bible to guide their public and private lives do not belong in office."

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This is a perfectly valid personal opinion no different than many here who say religious citizens have no business in public office.

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Gary Bauer (American Values)
"We are engaged in a social, political, and cultural war. There's a lot of talk in America about pluralism. But the bottom line is somebody's values will prevail. And the winner gets the right to teach our children what to believe."

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This is actually true. This is really the way it works most of the time and I believe every group in this country needs to be active in trying to influence our society in the way they feel is best for all of us. This should not be something to be feared but rather a wake up call to support what you believe is right.

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James Dobson (Focus on the Family)
"Those who control the access to the minds of children will set the agenda for the future of the nation and the future of the western world."

"State Universities are breeding grounds, quite literally, for sexually transmitted diseases (including HIV), homosexual behavior, unwanted pregnancies, abortions, alcoholism, and drug abuse."

"Today's children... They're damned. They're gone."

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The first 2 quotes seem quite accurate. The third one is probably referring to the fact that there is only a certain amount of time you have in a young person's life to make significant impressions. It kills me to think of the number of children that have been lost to poor education in our public schools.

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James Kennedy (Center for Reclaiming America)
"The Christian community has a golden opportunity to train an army of dedicated teachers who can invade the public school classrooms and use them to influence the nation for Christ."

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Again, this is precisely what every group who cares about the future should be working on. Our society is built upon competing ideas and efforts. I think it is a healthy mechanism as long as fundamental rights are maintained.

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John Ashcroft (Attorney General)
"Civilized people - Muslims, Christians, and Jews - all understand that the source of freedom and human dignity is the Creator."

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Um... duh? Note he does not exclude anyone in this statement. He is simply stating a common teaching that these three great religions share.

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Keith A. Fournier (Catholic Way)
"We need a legal strategy which protects the rights of those of us who hold Christian convictions which will afford us the opportunity to contend once again for the mind of this culture."

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This seems perfectly sensible to me.

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Rush Limbaugh
"Feminism was established to allow unattractive women easier access to the
mainstream of society."

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This is pure satire and anyone familiar with Rush Limbaugh should know that.

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Tony Evans (Promise Keepers)
"The demise of our community and culture is the fault of sissified men who have been overly influenced by women."

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I assume he is referring to the feminization of much of our current culture. This is an actual phenomenon and should be discussed and analyzed. It is questionable whether or not suppressing masculinity in our culture's males is wise. I don't claim to fully understand its implications but you don't make those kinds of societal modifications without serious effects.

In case anyone skims this post then I want to reiterate how I began it.

The majority of the quotes on that page are heinous.

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(Edited by Bugimus on 09-05-2005 07:01)