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Gorillas Observed Using Tools in the Wild I just thought this was neat...

Great stuff!

Oh, but they are acting like humans! They aren't animals at all!

Very cool.

Indeed... and they're vegetarians too

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Great Galloping Galapagos! They are evolving!

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

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Indeed... and they're vegetarians too

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Don't worry Bugimus, soon they will be hunting for tigers

Well I don't know if I'm going for it ...lookin' long'n hard at a coupole of those pics I'd be hard pressed to say it ain't my great aunt hester.

The only question now is which company will be the first to market an SUV tailored specifically to their lifestyle?

If gorrilas were to evolve, what would they become? Would they lose strength and hair and look more similar to us, or would they keep their atributes and just gain intelligence? If that's the case, we need to try to not kill Caesar.

I think it would be neat to have a conversation with a gorrila. I like tigers more, but they would just want to be left alone.

"For reason is a property of God's...moreover, there is nothing He does not wish to be investigated and understood by reason." ~Tertullian de paenitentia Carthaginian Historian 2nd century AD

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If gorrilas were to evolve, what would they become? Would they lose strength and hair and look more similar to us, or would they keep their atributes and just gain intelligence?

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That would depend on how they evolved further - that could include both, or something entirely different, depending on the circumstances.

James; wait and see.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

People please! Let's not get carried away with evolutionary possibilities, based on simple rudimentary, stick, skills.

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Why not? They show better stick work than the nhl and nobody has suggested they are evolved beyond simple brutish animals.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

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Why not? They show better stick work than the nhl,..................

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This attempt at a joke, for me falls flat!

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and nobody has suggested they are evolved beyond simple brutish animals.

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I just want to hopefully stem the tide of potential, illogical possibilities.

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Zynx+Diogenes: In case you missed it, James02 = Gideon, which explains the somewhat lack of understanding of evolution in his post ( where he seems to say that evolution tends to a single shape/phenotype : ours )

And for the record, one person made a statement about the potential "evolutionary possiblities".
It's rather rude to refer to the "people" in this thread based on one person's misguided statement.

FWIW.

=)

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If gorillas were to evolve, what would they become? Would they lose strength and hair and look more similar to us, or would they keep their atributes and just gain intelligence? That would depend on how they evolved further - that could include both, or something entirely different, depending on the circumstances.

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If if if if. What a way to run a "hypothetic" railroad.

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Ok...we pretty much covered that. where are you going with it...?

Yup, you got me confused, as well. Just what are you asking/trying to say

And by the way, "hypothetic" is not a word. You can at least use real words, they work perfectly well.

DL - Hypothetical postulations, are silly questions, when one uses them in a debate.

WS - Sorry. What if, what if, what if, doesn't work well in a debate.

BRG - While I appreciate your attempt at constructive criticism, I also see it as being a bit anal.

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DL - Hypothetical postulations, are silly questions, when one uses them in a debate.

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Well no shit.
Again - we covered that. And as I stated above, that was one person, who clearly went off on his own tangent. And yet you seem to want to address the rest of us based on his post.

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WS - Sorry. What if, what if, what if, doesn't work well in a debate.

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Ok. See above. You seem to be very confused as to who you are talking to.
You are aware that all the different posts here, with different names, are actually different people.......right?

Where exactly do see a debate here, for starters?

And where do you see WS using "what if, what if, what if" to further his side of this "debate"?

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BRG - While I appreciate your attempt at constructive criticism, I also see it as being a bit anal.

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That's probably because I am a bit anal. And my statement stands.

Errr...my response was to an If postulation from James02 (who was also Gideon).

I don't see any "ifs" in my reply

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In case you missed it, James02 = Gideon,

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Sorry DL, WS, I didn't take this post as serious as I should.

Many other sites prohibit multiple usernames.

Why is it Ok here?

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Well, I don't see how we could possibly enforce a limit on user names.

He used one name...and then for whatever reason decided to change it.

However, that's totally irrelevant.
While you may not have realized James = Gideon, you should be entirely capable of realizing James != DL-44, and James != Webshaman.

Who James actually is has nothing to do with the fact that *he* made the statement you seem to have a problem with, not the rest of us.

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Well, I don't see how we could possibly enforce a limit on user names. He used one name...and then for whatever reason decided to change it.

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DL, simplier versions of OZONE-Like, websites have been around for years! Throughout my college years, they were a norm. I used them as much as I could. In today's age, not only is it normal to have ONE username, it's a simple accomplishment, and quite easy to enforce.

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However, that's totally irrelevant.

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Sorry chum, but I find it very, very relevant. It makes no sense to respond honestly, when multiple responses come from singular individuals.

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While you may not have realized James = Gideon, you should be entirely capable of realizing James != DL-44, and James != Webshaman.

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Capability has nothing to do with it, DL. It's the stupid allowance of multiple usernames for 1 person, that I find unrealistic, and confusing.

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Who James actually is has nothing to do with the fact that *he* made the statement you seem to have a problem with, not the rest of us.

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Respect given DL, but yes it does! My responses are ALL ME! I am not hiding behind another persona! I am not trying to confuse other OZONE posters! I am not trying to be something I am not! No matter how people perceive me, I will always B MYSELF!

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Errrr...

I know of no websites that try to "enforce" that one has one username. I have membership in a number of forums across the net, and on some, I do have multiple "personalities" - so what are you talking about

Gideon decided that he would be himself, in case you missed that. That was his stated reason for the "personality" change.

And I still don't see how that could in any way, shape, or form, be an explaination for confusing james02 for me, or for DL, for that matter.

I am on a couple of sites where 'cloning' is prohibited. This is because there are a couple of trolls frequenting them with the sole intent of being as disruptive as possible.

In Gid defense, I believe he did announce the name change as did I when, for some reason the server suddenly refused to recognize "Ehteist".

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

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Zynx said:

Respect given DL, but yes it does! My responses are ALL ME! I am not hiding behind another persona! I am not trying to confuse other OZONE posters! I am not trying to be something I am not! No matter how people perceive me, I will always B MYSELF!

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What planet are you on here buddy??

Read carefully:

The issue at hand is the fact that you are taking one person's response and acting as if all of us said it.

The issue you brought up is that Gideon changed his name.

The two have nothing to do with each other.

It is also important to note that "james" is not hiding behind different names. He hit a certian point and decided to change his name. He announced this change. I don't see anything there that is dishonest, harmful, or anything else.
All of his posts in this thread are under the same name.

It is also TOTALLY IRELLEVENT in regard to the discussion at hand.

The point is very simple: you spent several posts trying to attack a statement that was made by one person, but addressing your posts to other people. That has nothing to do with the fact that someone changed usernames at some point before this thread ever started.

http://eldwood.com/zynx/index.php

I think all his dots have been popped.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

woohoo! it's "mass shock therapy" time.



(Edited by poi on 10-17-2005 18:25)

Thank God (or whomever you'd like to thank) for Poi! The Inmates are going crazy these days, i mean seriously since when was verbal diarrhea a big deal in the Asylum!? Y'all need to chill instead of waiting for the next victim to attack.

I only hope Master Suho makes it in time...

I quoted James02, and posted. That?s all it was DL, a simple post about disagreeing with his assessment. I was not trying to start a new debate. I was merely commenting on it. And no I was not confused on who I was talking to.

I responded to you, and WS, by using another way to describe what I meant when I disagreed with James.
1) DL - Hypothetical postulations, are silly questions, when one uses them in a debate.
2) WS - Sorry. What if, what if, what if, doesn't work well in a debate.
These are 2 similar descriptions to my original post; If if if if. What a way to run a "hypothetic" railroad. They are not a new line of questioning, or a new debate. This is why I say things like you sound like a broken record. What do you mean by THAT? Well what do you mean BY that? Well what do you mean BY THAT!?

Then I quoted, and posted on POI?s post. Here it was a second line of thought. It was a different debate. I didn't take it serioulsy in the beginning, because I am not use to this parameter here at Ozone. But I was not attempting to make a connection between the idea of a post I disagreed with, and a person changing his username. Honestly. Maybe after years and years of dealing with multiple usernames, behind one person, you can't see when a person is being direct and straightforward with you.

You also bring up, ?the rest of us?. I do post with some small expectation of people to read my post(s), but they either do or they don?t. And if I wanted the ?rest of us? to respond, I?d directly ASK the ?rest of us?. But I never did!

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It is also important to note that "james" is not hiding behind different names. He hit a certain point and decided to change his name. He announced this change. I don't see anything there that is dishonest, harmful, or anything else.

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I have generally mentioned that people with multiple usernames are hiding from something, but I never mentioned anything about dishonestly, or harmful, or anything at all, specifically about the persona of James/Gideon.

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The point is very simple: you spent several posts trying to attack a statement that was made by one person, but addressing your posts to other people.

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I did nothing of the sort. Clearly all I posted were colorful comments against a posters post. So if someone wanted to comment, then they could have. But I never ever directly asked, nor addressed the ?rest of us?. And what you call an attack, I call a disagreement. It?s like you are pitting me against another poster, in an attempt to stir up the shit. Why? If J.G. thinks I was attacking him, as evil as you are portraying it, then let him speak for himself.

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That has nothing to do with the fact that someone changed usernames at some point before this thread ever started.

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Here you are right. But again, I never attempted to make that connection. You seem to think that I did. I know I didn't. And even when you incorrectly perceived it that way, you assumed it was intentional. Why? Why would anyone intentionally do such a thing? Here again it seems that YOU are intentionally stiring the shit.



As for multiple usernames from one person, simply put I don?t like the idea of communicating with multiple ?SYBILS?! Unless you can give me a good reason to have more than one username, that a single username would not accomplish? And there are sites that prohibit it. The owner basically deletes any extra usernames coming from the same server IP address. But if Ozone allows it, then I must deal with, which I can.

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Ok.

Are gorillas smart enough to change their user names?

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I am on a couple of sites where 'cloning' is prohibited. This is because there are a couple of trolls frequenting them with the sole intent of being as disruptive as possible.

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Errr...no-one can cancel an account, and start over on those websites? And how do they prevent this

How many Gorillas does it take to change a user name?

Don't know about that, but it takes one monkey to mess everything up

The Simian Council will hear of this, "monkey in the machine" business.