Hello to anyone who is reading this. I am fellow time traveler who has come to you in the hopes that you may seriously consider changing your ways. It is widely known by many who use the Internet, that at this point in our world line, some of the "information" that the one who has come before me has given to you, has seriously altered life as you will have come to know it.
I arrived here on Jan 15th 2006. I will only be here for 3 months. I will return to my time after April 15th 2006. (Never to return again. NO MATTER WHAT ALL IMPOSTERS MIGHT SAY).
What I CAN tell you of my mission, is that one of my objectives are to answer any questions you have (just as the one who came before me has) with as much detail as I possibly can. I do this all in the hopes that it might help you as a society of leaders to avoid the coming events.
First things first. When Cramer of UW theorized (1 month AFTER the one who came be fore me returned back to his time.) that they were simply attempting to understand how things ended up right after the Big Bang on the time scale of about a micro-second, It was said and I quote "We are part of a dance between theory and experiment, prediction, observation and revision of ideas, which always leads to a higher understanding and knowledge.
2001 was NOT supposed to be the year for the serious funding and research (GRANTED BY EXCENTRIC MILLIONAIRES) of time travel. But there were those in 2004 after the start of the presidential election which planted the seeds for America's 2nd Civil War, who realized that the one who came before me was speaking the truth. Cramer's research caused an Ion collision in an attempt to surpass light speed which resulted in violent explosions in the test field. (Needless to say light speed wasn't archived in that instance but Cramer was very close). Regardless, this research is now 28 years early!!!
So, where "Titor" attempted to hide certain facts and divulged others (against better instruction) and failed miserably, I will give you what I can in the hopes that you will be wise enough to change your selfish ways.
Oh, how exciting! I don't understand a word of what you said after the part about being from the future, but that's cool. As for changing world policy, you might want to talk to the Emperor. I know he's planning to take over the world sometime soon, and he would probably be the best person to deal with... uh, whatever it is that we're dealing with here.
So, what's it like in 2039? Will we finally have those flying cars they keep telling us about? Frankly, I'm kind of surprised that we lasted that long. I would have thought that we would have blown ourselves up or brought about some other cataclysm by then. How did we avoid that?
[Edit: Oh, and sorry about any grammatical errors in the preceeding sentencesr. I seemed to have misplaced Dr. Streetmentioner's handy reference.]
So... how does the 2nd american civil war turn out? I ask because a freind of mine, who is not me, may be part of an underground resistance movement. And, he, might want to know...
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 01-18-2006 04:45
O My.... I Could and Can Have a Lot of Fun With This... O Boy... Someone get a bottle of pillz... cause I feel a change in the winds of sanity sayz I... AR AR AR AR
Oky-de-dokety... Now Then
..AHem..... O GREAT TIMETRAVALER... HELP ME CHANGE MY SELFISH WAYS...By telling me who wins the Olympics, Super Bowl, World Series, and What the next Topic is Going to be In the BIG SIG THREAD...
...And while you?re at it....
If the Speed of light is Really Fast ( 299 792 458 m / s to be exact) ...Than What Is the Speed of Dark
Are there such things as White Holes...
What Is Gravity (Partial, Wave....)
What Is Energy
What am I going to eat Tomorrow
Why Are you avoiding my questions...
Why Hello... Are You There..
And OF Course...
What Is Halo 3 Like ( IS IT T3h 117 WOOT )
Edit: One More... What are the Rules of Time that, there for, permit you to be here, If the Information you give us may alter the future as you know it as well
Oh, how exciting! I don't understand a word of what you said
after the part about being from the future, but that's cool. As for
changing world policy, you might want to talk to the Emperor. I know
he's planning to take over the world sometime soon, and he would
probably be the best person to deal with... uh, whatever it is that
we're dealing with here.
Of course he already knows that my attempts are successful - he is clearly a member of the resistance sent back in time to try and disrupt my plans. Little does he know that now I know this my future self will know this and send back a dirty great big robot to kick his whiny rebel ass.
No scratch that why send one?? What kind of dumbass plan is that? I'll send a hundred and stomp him into paste and then that 100 can become the core of my army - probably largely made from mechanised primates.
You see our friend has made a fundamental error - by letting me know he has successfully travelled back in time he has let me know that time travel is possible and somewhere someone has built the first time machine (as it is one of the fundamental rules of the universe that you can't travel back in time further than the first time machine) which is the double whammy now al I need to do is find the machine and then build my robot army and send it back in time to kick everyone's ass.
And so it begins not with a bang or a whimper but with a time traveller who just couldn't help boasting and so brings about his own doom. Suho, as you are quite evil, I'm sure appreciate the delicious irony of the situation too!!
Millennia of my merciless rule stretches out into the future for all of you earth worms. Imagine a boot kicking you in the nuts (or female equivalent) for all eternity!!!!
Right I'd better get a quick Power Nap and set about domination. Times awatin' or is it? Hmmmmmm another one to ponder.
Why put of until tomorrow World Domination that you can send an arm of robots back from the future to achieve today?
I might start a range of motivational merchandise to go along with my half dozen ghost written self-aggrandising autobiographies I'm probably having written right now in the future (I think - this is all still a tad confusing) .
quote: Emperor said:
Of course he already knows that my attempts are successful - he is clearly a member of the resistance sent back in time to try and disrupt my plans.
Ah, right. This time travel stuff always did confuse me so.
I'm still dying to find out about the flying cars.
Your questions are funny. Do not worry, I will not be offended. I'm here for a purpose. I'll do my best to answer the real ones as opposed to the obvious sarcasm. Basically there are some questions I can answer because it's historical knowledge for me and others are things that I have to remember from when I was younger in your worldline.
In 2039 I am a 62 year old man. I was born in 1977 in Illinois. I was a renaissance man before I was sent back to your worldline. I was a scientist, an author, and a father all after the time I turned 32.
Also, I was "prepped" (if you will) before I was to be sent to your worldline for some of your questions.
As far as who wins the super bowl in 2006, I was never really a big sports fan growing up and I would have been 28 then. I'm 62 now. Can you remember who won the super bowl 34 years ago (without the luxury of the Internet at your fingertips?).
As far as the Olympics are concerned, I do remember that simply because 2004 was the last year that the "Official" Olympics were held in Greece. There were political issues with the men who ran the Olympics and they all stepped down between 2004 and 2006. America held the "Winter Games" without Italy and a few other countries. The reason I know this is not because I can remember way back to that time, but the fact that we're attempting to restore the Official games by 2040 and I actually watched a documentary not too long before I left.
Unfortunately flying cars never came about. At least not by 2039. In fact there are not as many automobiles anymore after WWIII. We as a people, travel in more productive means.
The civil war in the United States started in 2004. It's not very visible here yet to you, but believe me. It has been going on behind the scenes. Problems between Americans started as political partisan issues that turned into an all out physical fight by 2008. Watching television while I'm here in your worldline, I am reminded of the hatred we actually had for each other. Eventually we ALL get involved by 2012. The war lasted 3 years. It was over in 2015.
Then we slammed right into WWIII. Russia Believed that the natural disaster we endured in 2005 made us weak. So that along with whom we had for president in 2008 made us appear vulnerable to the rest of the world. Your in for a very big political change in 2008. The president that follows this one while be quite different from ANY of the presidents you have had in the history of the country.
By the way, the speed of like is depends on which light you monitor. Is it infrared radiation, ultraviolet radiation, radio waves, X-rays, gamma rays? Not to mention what is the size of the vaccume the light is traveling in?
But I am curious. Why choose an internet crazy house to deliever your messages from the future? I'm sure there's a better venue for questioning... That said, Is the 2008 president Mrs. Clinton? And do the american borders change as a result of either the civil war, or WWIII?
From: Den Haag: The Royal Residence Insane since: Jul 2000
posted 01-18-2006 19:37
Surprisingly no one has aksed the one and only important question, you know the about the lotto numbers from the two next weeks... you know those who are going to make me the richest guy on earth. So i could finally improve my crappy home-made timemachine so it can actually bring all the stuff back i send to the future....
If our futuristic guest would tell me the right numbers, which should be stored somewhere in a future database just to be sure i will get them in time so timetravel will be truly possible in the near future, then all things can continue as planned. Then Emps only get the USA and no harm will be done.
Sorry Emps but i just can't let you taken over the world, you know with you owning almost 90% off the universe right know, i just can't.
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:: Develop yourself, develop your life, develop the world ::
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From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 01-18-2006 19:48
Hmmm...Answers Broad yet Precise... You Say something by saying nothing... Using words as a shadow, a cloke if you will... and.. *Twich*... Sorry... I was in my Poetic Philosopher mode... But before a Twitched out... A Thought came to mind... Its Interesting...Here is the Question(s)
What Is Your Name ( Edit: and the Name of Your Book)?
Why is it You Aren?t Precise in Answers? (The Answer I may know... But for you to Correct)
And on the sad days of More Useless Wars and Such...
Any Names to Remember... Numbers or Charts... Death and Weapons...
And Any to Spark it all Corruptive Hate...
I of Course have my doubts, that is to be assured... pity we have to ask for your all many answers...
As You are appointed here.. .on your "Antique Computer? So High Tech to Us...
But I?m just babbling now... Come one Give an Answer or two, than Ill know what to do....
(Golly I love being me...as you can see ......**Spaz**... O_O Huh...What The....O No... NURSE MY PILLS , STAT!!!)
You can believe me or not, but make no mistake. Time travel is very real. There were many that has come back before me. But there was one in particular (John Titor) and the things he has said and the things he did while on his mission, have made it possible for him to alter his own worldline for his personal gain. This is the MAIN reason why I am here. But additionally, I am also here to get the word out that very dark times are coming for you some things you have the power to change, others you do not.
For the purpose of protection of my family, and most certainly my 2006 self, You can call me "Xavier Cage". Of course it is not my real name but I am not stupid.
Sorry, no flying cars in 2039. You see, we stopped manufacturing cars as you know them in your worldline. We found that riding SPV's (self powered vehicles) was better for the body and more productive for sustaining human life. Of course there are still high powered fusion engines, trains, airplanes, and boats for long distance travel but anything to do with water is dangerous since the third world war.
Leave it to Pre Nukes's to always ask about lottery numbers or sporting events. It's obvious that you'd only use the info for personal gain. Not to mention I couldn't help you with that anyway. I doubt that even you can remember what the winning lottery numbers were 2 weeks ago (without using the Internet) let alone over 34 years ago.
I do remember vividly dates with great importance like, the first military attack on America in 1948, the terror attacks in 2001 , the civil attacks in 2008 and of course the asteroid of 2014.
do you have any photos from the future?
asteroid of 2014. 3rd world war. civil war. ....future doesnt sound that good at all...why dont you contact the president? why are you posting in the ozoneasylum?
quote:Of course there are still high powered fusion engines, trains, airplanes, and boats for long distance travel but anything to do with water is dangerous since the third world war.
Speaking of the third world war..... Can you tell us who comes out on top? That information just may be a little useful down the road...
I am posting in other message boards as well under different names.
The one who came before me brought photos and that's one of the reasons there was trouble. He posted this image of the fall of 2035 during his training. It shows an instructor beaming a handheld laser outside the time distortion unit during a test operation. The beam of light was bent by the gravitational field produced outside the vehicle by the distortion unit. The beam is visible through the smoke that is coming from his cigar.
This image was seen by a group of men who were heavily funded and a prototype was developed 28 years early.
Do not be fooled. After the first nuclear weapon was launched by Russia we lost over a billion people. Leaving the country to fend for themselves before the 5 presidents were voted into establishment. But that doesn't mean that they have an absolute power. (In fact they have a much different role than what you are used to in your worldline)
I do not have the ability to contact the president, no more than you could while in this time. But certain things are unavoidable. How can the words of one man (one who would be hard to believe as it is) make a difference?
In order to determine which side will come out "on top" take a look at your 2004 election map by state / county.
(By the way, California did not sink after the earthquake in 2027)
By the way, the speed of like is depends on which light you monitor. Is
it infrared radiation, ultraviolet radiation, radio waves, X-rays,
gamma rays? Not to mention what is the size of the vaccume the light is
traveling in?
What actual science did you study that gave you the indepth knowledge to make statements like that? Political science? Culinary science?
If I don't go around handing out spurious cookie recipes then in return you could leave the elctromagnetic spectrum alone. Deal?
Description: Xavier Cage is an easy going guy with a relaxed life style. Not all in his appearance is much different from any other person in the universe. Xavier is about 6?2? with a long scar on his right cheek. He has brown eyes and short spiky hair. Usually wearing a black Kevlar jacket and blue pants. Always seen with a red hat on and never without his sunglasses.
Origins: At first Xavier was a non-descript child with no friends. All in his life was tragedy as all his siblings died after birth of different diseases. He knew none about this as his parents loved him more than anything, and would never let Xavier go. The more he grew the better Xavier became more enthusiastic about zoid piloting. As his Father before him he dreamed of being a zoid pilot. His childhood was more or less a great example of a true loser. His arch nemesis John Blaine was a tyrant and fueled Xavier?s childhood hate. More and more Xavier became more innate in the mechanics of zoids, specializing in Air zoids. After a few years he became his father?s chief mechanic. His father piloted a Sword Stormer named ?Angelsniper?. The ?Angelsniper? had a forward mounted custom sniper rifle, Xavier himself had built. The armor of the Angelsniper was designed by Xavier Cage. Along the way Xavier had inherited his own ability to pilot zoids. After a huge fight with his father, Xavier left for his own training at his uncle?s school. There he learned all the requirements and became top of his class. He had yet to have his own zoid but for his first, he was going to buy an aerial class. Just like his father people said. No one really believed he would become a pilot. His nemesis John Blaine had passed away when a mortar cannon had gone stray near his residence. Xavier was invited to the funeral and he payed his last respects to his childhood tormentor. There he learned there was more to life than fun and games. He learned protecting people is important and he would let no one stand in his way. After his graduation he went back to his childhood home and saw his father battling a young zoid pilot. There he saw the young man?s gun sniper fire an illegal shot at the Angelsniper and the cockpit was completely destroyed. His father was killed instantaneously. Although Xavier never found out the identity of the pilot he would never again let someone control his emotions. He salvaged what was left of the Angelsniper and started work on it. His mother had long since passed away, and he was alone. The one thing that kept him motivated was the torn up sniper rifle on the ground near him. He would one day avenge his father and become the best zoid pilot ever? Angelsniper would help him?
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 01-19-2006 02:14
So What Happened To Adobe and Digital Cameras ...Cause the picture is awful Grainy... Kind of like the Loch Ness and Big Foot Pics...
And What Are You Protecting Your Self from... The Grays..
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How Is It That by having You Telling Us of what to come serve your purpose in coming back here... (and when should we expect the next traveler(s) to come...)
O and Have they Invented Lightsabers yet... (and I know the Deathstar is possible... has one been made as well... No really, I mean It...)
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I don't Suffer From Insanity .... I enjoy every moment
Well that definitely sucks about the flying cars, or lack thereof, but the personal transportation devices sound interesting.
Now, bear with me here, as I can be a little bit dense at times, but what exactly are we supposed to do? You came back to give us information so we could do what? You mention something about changing our selfish ways, but what exactly does this mean?
Still trying to wrap my head around the whole time travel thing. You know, the old paradox about going back in time and killing your own grandfather or something like that. Of course, we came up with the "alternate timeline" theory to explain that one away, but if there are really infinite alternate (this being a relative term) timelines, how are they related to each other? Where do they crossover? Can you exist in two timelines at once, or does this mean that you are now two different people?
Maybe you might kill your father after he "produced" you. Going for his father might be safer... unless he already "produced" your father..... hmm... might wanna just kill them both.
.. wait... why are we killing off our lineage anyway?
SpaceFold - Is it possible for a change in the timeline to occur, because you've given us this information before hand? And If so, are you able to return to the timeline of your origin, even if key elements in your history are avoided because of your (or our) interference? I've become very interested in this topic...
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 01-19-2006 04:33
...And Now to add On from my last post...
quote: SpaceFold said:
I do not have the ability to contact the president, no more than you could while in this time. But certain things are unavoidable. How can the words of one man (one who would be hard to believe as it is) make a difference?
To Answer Your Question... Hitler... Just One Man... One Voice... One (Many) Hate
and there are others... But one Shall do for now...
quote:
SpaceFold said:
Leave it to Pre Nukes's to always ask about lottery numbers or sporting events. It's obvious that you'd only use the info for personal gain. Not to mention I couldn't help you with that anyway. I doubt that even you can remember what the winning lottery numbers were 2 weeks ago (without using the Internet) let alone over 34 years ago.
So What.. I?m a "Pre-Nuke" Because I asked a Question with a desire for concrete answers... Realize it or not... Every Word you speak could be used for personal gain... I Also, Don't Gamble ( so no I don't Remember what the lottery numbers were 2 weeks ago... but that doesn't mean I can't )
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And What are your Other "Objectives".... Who Sent You.... TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER MUAHAHAHAHAH...sry... Caught in the moment...
-----------___________---------__________------ "There is no surer sign of insanity than trying the same thing repeatedly expecting different results."
-Albert Einstein
Bill gates is well remembered in 2039 but ironically not for his operating systems. His involvement in Africa was a failed attempt that left the country running rapid with disease. Although if I am correct, he was never heard from again after WWIII.
About the photo, I did not post it. John Titor came before me and he obviously brought the picture back with him. John left in 2036 and traveled to the year 2000. The picture, he clammed, was from 2035. I can only assume that he, while in 2000 was only able to use "a scanner" since digital cameras were not as popular as they are in the market in 2006. (This is why when I left 2039 I was not allowed to bring anything that could endanger my mission)
My mission, I'm sorry but I can only tell you that speaking to you people on these forums was an additional objective. One of many that will take me 90 days to complete.
The paradox situation is funny. I remember seeing "Back to the Future" when I was younger (If you don't know what it is, it was a GREAT movie about time travel). Anyway, in the movie, it was said that if one could travel back in time and interact with him or herself while in the past, it would alter the future. In a way that is true. But it would only alter reality for the person who did the time traveling. For everyone else it would seem normal. I am currently visiting myself while here. (I just cannot allow the me from 2006 to realize that he is me.) He wouldn't though, to him I'm an old man who he spends some time with.
An example of the "paradox theory" is that while I have conversations with myself, I find that every once in a while, I remember bits and pieces of the encounters as they unfold. A little like what you would describe as DejaVu.
Jolly Ranchers? I haven't heard of that in ages! I never liked the damned things anyway. Most candy corporations went out of business during the war. No more fast food. CJV or "MadCow" ruins it for everyone. I miss Big Macs. I used to order 2 at a time and take the middle bun out, eat the sandwich and then eat the bread afterwards. It's a good thing they're gone, I would've died early for sure. It kills me because a part of me would love to eat one now, but it's been so long that your 2005 "fast food" could take me down quick.
You'll find that lots of things become things of the passed very soon. Things you wouldn't expect. Now bicycle tires will become a HOT item in the coming decade. I also find that the difference in air is sometimes hard to handle, but it's nice to have FREASH CLEAN air again.
I can't give you all specifics on wars because ir's hard to remember exact dates, but keep a close eye on the middle east. It certainly doesn't end with Iraq. Look at Iran very closley. I've only mentioned Russia before, but the middle east becomes more hostile than you've ever known. You won't believe what China does with gasoline, it's refreshing seeing "gas station" signs written in English again. I have a had a hard time with the unny symbols.
I'm still in the dark about what you want to accomplish in these forums. Or what you want us to accomplish with this new view of the future.
All it sounds like to me is that all the things im currently fighting for are pointless. As your descriptions dont really reflect my hopes for the future. You're depressing me, SpaceFold. Perhaps there are some more enjoyable aspects of the future that you could share with us?
Just one question; Did Minnesota get desroyed in the war to come? If so, how, when and why? Don't be vauge, be very specific. After all if you are going to berate us, then you should at least have some grasp of your history.
I'd have a hard time believing me too. It is hard to understand in a time when time travel is thought of as impossible. Just like the world is flat, or the speed of sound can't be achieved, or the speed of light cannot be achieved. Or that the Internet cannot be completely wireless. Trust me when I say that after the nuclear war, most of the online servers get wiped out. It takes time to rebuild the Internet. It is a little different than now, but rest assured it will survive. And be certain that Time Travel although still somewhat primitive, is a normal part of your worldline's future. It was only used by the American military until "John Titor" divulged secrets that were NOT supposed to be told.
The cool thing about the Internet, is it has single handedly become the source of all entertainment. Music is different, movies and television are different. Anyone can create music and net shows for people. That is how people enjoy their entertainment.
In fact one of the obvious problems that occurred when "John Titor" came 3 years before me, his mission antics were so sloppy that in his attempts to warn his parents living in Florida about the hurricanes of 2005 he apparently caused a backlash in his own worldline. He claims that his mother died in hurricane Ivan and while he was there, he convinced her to move from Florida and she did. Of course, the only history according to my worldline, is that she died of a heart attack in 2027. But I would not have known any difference.
Since he did so, even though to me it's old news, but you have not heard yet, a film was made starring Bill Paxton from Aliens, Twister, and Titanic. I believe it will be coming out in your worldline somewhere between 2006-2008. It is possible this was part of his plan all along to stop the American civil war that comes to fighting in the streets in 2008. Watch the next election very carefully. The ball started rolling in 2004. Haven't you noticed the huge divide that America in your worldline is in? There will be no healing. The hatred will only grow until Russia's attack on America. Then, after we retaliate with out nuclear weapons, we realize that our unity is what was most important. Believe me WWIII will be the fasted war you've ever known. Chicago will look very different. We were using the great lakes for our water supply until some of that water became contaminated from radioactive dust.
Once you and your loved ones are constantly living desperately trying to find safe drinking water and food to eat, you'll understand what is really important. It's not profit, it is community. Racism is over by 2018. We re-write the constitution in 2020 and live by it proudly. We bring back the 10 commandments (not as rules) but more as guidelines to think of others before ourselves.
Keep an eye on Chica, they become very angry with the U.S.
America, although still united, will be made up of 5 individual sectors. Minnesota is still Minnesota, but it's now a part of the MW Sector.
We've gone from 50 stars on our flag to 5. The red and white stripes are still there. We spend more time in more rural areas. The major cities aren't populated as much. We're still cleaning up after the mess of 2015.
The real problem is that it becomes widley known that the government in your worldline, was keeping you busy buying and selling goods and not paying attention to what was really going on. The asteroid will be known as 2003 QQ47 (How is that for specific?) All though your government will tell you there is no threat, it still hits. The damage isn't as bad as we feared but it was an amazing spectical none the less.
Alright then, tell us who you work for and what you're going to try and sell us on April 15th...
Tonnes of water? Pills of cyanide? I really can't see, but it's interesting.
I work for an orginization that would be the equivilant to your Central Intelligence Agencey. (All though it is not the C.I.A.) That no longer exsists in 2039. Too many problems with politics. And I am not selling anything. I'm just enjoying getting to know some of you before my return.
America, although still united, will be made up of 5 individual sectors. Minnesota is still Minnesota, but it's now a part of the MW Sector.
Vauge, very vague. Explain more. What do these "sectors" mean? Why did they come about? Why was it named MW Sector? Name names, dates, reasons, places etc.
The second civil war in the United States started in 2004. Basically conflicts will consume everyone in the US by 2012. Thenit ends in 2015 with WWIII. After the war, the United States had split into five separate regions based on the various factors and military objectives they each had.
The second civil war in the United States started in 2004. Basically conflicts will consume everyone in the US by 2012. Thenit ends in 2015 with WWIII. After the war, the United States had split into five separate regions based on the various factors and military objectives they each had.
Still being vague. Name names, dates, reasons, places etc.
I cannot divuldge the names because I follow my orders. I cannot give you dates simply because I just cannot remember. Can you remember what happened 30 years ago on March 23rd?
So your trying to tell me that you work for an "Intelligence Agency" where I presume you were briefed, given specific information. But in general, lack the knowledge to survive within your own timeline?
I may not know what happened March 34, 1697, but major dates (like wars, and events during wars) stick out in my mind. And I would think that the specific dates and reasons as to why we went into a civil war would stick out in yours, as well as to why regions now have very odd names like MW Sector .
Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
Those who live in the past are already repeating it.
Great Britan too gets involved with americas civil war. (there are many ways to fight a war)
American citizens did not like their rights taken away under the concept of homeland security. There were americans who fought back against the government, and there were those who fought the americans who were against the government. It was a horrible time.
homeland security? I never thought it was that memorable a phrase coined
I can't believe my will is so weak as to not be able to resist posting in this thread
Helluva read tho, it's about time to digg this and see if the rest of the geek planet is enjoying this guy in other forums as well.
Sorry, didn't mean to talk to you as if you weren't here in the room. SpaceFold, glad to meet you, welcome to the Asylum, black pills, nurse shock therapy yada yada, forgive my fellow inmates, very rude
I do remember the name of the president in 2008. EVERYONE will remember. I CANNOT name the president here for fear that it may cause strife for the me in 2006. What I can tell you, is that America will be in for a huge historical change with the 2008 presidential election. This will be one of the first times, that your current vice president will not run for office.
Let's just say that with your next president, you won't have to worry about sexual affairs with female interns in the oval office. The next president will not desire sex with women.
At least not openly. (That was a joke)
Keep your eyes on Freemasonry. (They are not what they seem) CERN is very real and will be well known very soon. The one world government was attempted but did not last very long.
The measurements for timeline divergence are known in your worldline as AMF, GERB and AMMA stations. However, thanks to John Titor, I cannot nor would I be willing to give you anymore info than that. But that information is available to you right now in this worldline. You just have to look. --- Answers to questions like these are that reason why I had to come here. (reluctantly I might add)
I'm not here to entertain. In fact I'm more intertained by you all. Titor screwed up. I'm telling you to start thinking about your fellow man/woman instead of yourselves. Start looking at the "Big Brother" as it's known in your worldline. The comfortable life as you understand it is seriously going to change.
So what would you prefer? If I told you that for the first time ever a black woman would ran for president in 2008 against another woman?
"I saw the posting requesting the basic systems for a gravity distortion system that will allow time travel. Here they are:
1. Magnetic housing units for dual microsignularities.
2. Electron injection manifold to alter mass and gravity of microsingularities.
3. Cooling and x-ray venting system
4. Gravity sensors (VGL system)
5. Main clocks (4 cesium units)
6. Main computer units (3) "
He also posted the operating manual for the C204 - G.D.T.D.U. (Gravity Distortion Time Displacement Unit)
Incidentally, I arrived using the C206 G.D.T.D.U. (I will not display the diagrams for that unit as I was not supplied with them on paper like the man who called himself John Titor)
I will tell you that unit basically is able to supercharge the ions within a contained unit and literally distort the gravity around the unit.
I would really like to tell you that Osama Bin Laden was killed in the very first attacks on Afghanistan and instead of making him a martyr, The U.S. Government kept it quiet. It served them better to lead you in fear then to let anyone know he was dead causing more problems. The U.S. felt that if we had captured him, we would have endured further terrorist attacks. So after we confirmed the kill, we simply "kept looking" for him.
Oh you'll hear from him again but only hear. You'll not see him live. Not on video, because that would be hard for the government to fabricate. But rather audio only?
I'd like to tell you that. But that might endanger my mission. (We did not negotiate with terrorists)
Sorry, I must be extra dense today, but just how is that screwing up?
As I said in the begining. All we have to go on is what John told us when he returned in 2036. According to him, the ability to achive time travel has happened much sooner than it was supposed to. Ofcourse, for myself and everyone else it was always the way it was.
Don't you have any "other" questions for me? Ones that I CAN answer for you. Like life AFTER WWIII ? I am no "Buck Howard"
quote:Keep your eyes on Freemasonry. (They are not what they seem) CERN is very real and will be well known very soon. The one world government was attempted but did not last very long.
Does this have anything to do with the New World Order/Skull & Bones? Because I can just expect Alex Jones to keep me updated on that, I don't need some dude from the future to tell me that Bush is out for world domination...
Not everyone is aware of the fact that freemasonry will be exploted. Bush will not be a successful figure in the attempt to unite the world. It will never happen. He is mostly known for the war in Iraq. (and his use of leadership by fear)
The world war in 2015 killed nearly three billion people. The people that survived united.
We now live thining about our family and then the community. Yhis is how we are bonded together. (Much like a novel by Laura Ingals Wilder)
Since he did so, even though to me it's old news, but you have not
heard yet, a film was made starring Bill Paxton from Aliens, Twister,
and Titanic. I believe it will be coming out in your worldline
somewhere between 2006-2008.
I did cnsider the possibility youwere a viral add but it doen't star Bill Paxton:
Is there, Mr. Cage, anything you can tell us about whats going to happen in the next few months? Like, before you leave?
My interest has been adequetly peaked. I almost got fired today because of this thread. I spaced out for a bit (like the whole day), thinking to myself about the the possible reality of this future you speak.
Actually believing that youre a time traveler from the future, is unnessesary. You speak in a worst-case type scenario about current world issue's. And it doesnt help that Ive been predicting a civil war for over a year now. Even wrote a screenplay about it to take my mind off the reality. But youve brought that reality of it back into my head. Thanks for that...
Follow them!! They are watered down versions of my own teachings!!
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quote: Blacknight said:
I have the answer SpaceFold = Emperor he has come back in
time to make his plans real. but cannot make himself know it is him. so
he changed his name
By Jove thats exactly the kind of stupid stunt I'd pull on myself!!
This is clearly a clue:
quote: SpaceFold said:
My mission, I'm sorry but I can only tell you that speaking to you
people on these forums was an additional objective. One of many that
will take me 90 days to complete.
If I was me I'd send back such a message to let myself now that a time machine has been built somewhere and clearly tested in the last few weeks. I could then seize the time machine and make sure it is all mine for when my plans finally unfold.
Everything else is just code - in fact if I decide what the code is now then that is the code I'll use for the messages (oooooooo this is getting good) say every tenth word makes the true message and the rest is filler (its obviously not that - or is it??).
I suspect coordinates to where I can fidn the giant robots is also in there. And the plans for making robobaboons and cyborgorillas probably.
Well, again it's hard to remember certain things from 34 years ago. But the best I can remember about 2006 is the death of Ford.
The African American civil Uprising in the south.
The Real Estate crash.
Biotech - A division of Genfit (French Company) goes public late 2006 early 2007.
Pakistan, Indonesia, Vietnam, Laos, and even China were struggling to gain the full support of their constituents as they tried auction off their nation?s crown jewels. They united together and strengthened in the later half of the decade.
Here is a link for you guys... Sorry if it has been posted yet, but I do not think so (mind your eyes though, it hurts ).
To find this link, I have entered the whole quote (see below) from SpaceFold about John Titor (Tutor?) in my Google search...
1. Magnetic housing units for dual microsignularities.
2. Electron injection manifold to alter mass and gravity of microsingularities.
3. Cooling and x-ray venting system
4. Gravity sensors (VGL system)
5. Main clocks (4 cesium units)
6. Main computer units (3)
Now one of my first thought was it is only Stephen King or Clive Cussler trying to gather some information and ideas for new books (very clever)... After all, SpaceFold could well be John Titor in need of inspiration...
But seriously now, this thread is starting to flip me out; not because I believe in time travel, but like MiNiature said, and also SpaceFold, there are signs today which can lead to some conclusion, no need to be a genius or a bloody time traveller.
From: Happy Hunting Grounds... Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 01-20-2006 12:04
Well, an interesting story, but it is very, very irrelevant now. Even minute changes in a Timestream tend to have Quantum effects later - so if SpaceFold really was from the future, the information that he has given has already changed each and every one of our futures. That means that his future is not necessarily ours.
Thanks SpaceFold
Didn't they teach you anything at your agency about the Butterfly effect? If you really were from the Future, you would not be announcing your presence, you would be attempting to leave as little trace and disturbance as possible!
WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles
There's only about a 2% change and I will be the only one to notice the change. For the rest of you, it will simply go along as you thought was normal.
Yes there is still porn, but child birth is rare now. So when it happens it's a big deal.
Pornography is veiwed alittle different in my worldline. People having sex is dangerous, only because childbirth in our worldline is very detramental to the body. So if a woman gives birth to a thriving child, and the mother does not die, it is a very imprtant thing.
Pornography is viewed as a rebellious disregaurd for human life.
Entertainment in it's various forms are different in my worldline. Most music, TV and movies, allthough still there, weren't as prevelant as it is in your worldline. Most people made their own music and movies and cast them over the internet. That is how we mostly find our entertainment. ANYONE can be a star now.
Granted you can still download archived music like the beatles, the who, rolling stones, the doors, U2, Aerosmith, Slipstream, Fall Out Boy, CrashCar, just to name a few.
Life in 2039 is very nice. we've really come together in a community sence. We take care of fellow americans now.
From: Happy Hunting Grounds... Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 01-20-2006 18:11
quote:There's only about a 2% change and I will be the only one to notice the change. For the rest of you, it will simply go along as you thought was normal.
Well, you just lost all credibility with that unqualified answer. Quantum effects based on the start cannot, by their nature, be calculated with 100% accuracy. And two Timetravellers announcing their presence, by its very nature will have more than a 2% effect!! Not to mention answering questions!
For instance, it is not possible to calculate the total effects of the Butterfly wings. It could result in a Storm in South America...and it might not.
Since we are dealing with the Future, and because there are multiple futures all depending on actions and events at every passing moment, your actions are changing things for all of us, as well as for yourself.
The future that you think you know, is not that which we all will know, due to these changes.
WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles
And two Timetravellers announcing their presence, by its very nature will have more than a 2% effect!! Not to mention answering questions!
Of course, one lonely guy sitting in his room with nothing better to do than waste the time it takes to come up with the above dribble and type it all out will most likely have 0% effect on anything at all.
Oh and....you can't lose something you didn't have to begin with (ie credibility) =)
Europe is what it has always been, a mixture of nations under British rule.
Woooo hooooo - in your face the rest of Europe!!
Its luck the rest of Europe are weak-willed, whiny, pacifist sexual deviants (its how we noble British conquered them all after all) or there'd be a lynch party forming
I'd better give it toes in that direction --------------->
From: Happy Hunting Grounds... Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 01-20-2006 22:38
quote: DL-44 said:
quote:WebShaman said:And two Timetravellers announcing their presence, by its very nature will have more than a 2% effect!! Not to mention answering questions!Of course, one lonely guy sitting in his room with nothing better to do than waste the time it takes to come up with the above dribble and type it all out will most likely have 0% effect on anything at all.Oh and....you can't lose something you didn't have to begin with (ie credibility) =)
True DL, but I was giving the poster the benefit of the doubt - well, until he tripped. You know, give them enough rope to hang themselves...
WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles
If I have done anything to alter the future, I will be the only one to be aware of it, since everything in your view will go as pre-destined. And I'm told it's a 2% noticible difference. I'll know for sure once I return to my worldline.
Now does anyone have any OTHER types of questions?
If you are unable to enjoy my posts, then simply ask me to stop and I would be happy to. I am on many other boards.
quote: SpaceFold said:
Now does anyone have any OTHER types of questions?
Are "Cool Ranch" and "Salsa Verde" flavors of Doritos still available in 2039?
If you're gonna say something about we all eat kelp or something, just don't even bother, that right there would have much more than 2% effect I'm sure as people within hearing distance would have no real reason to go on living.
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 01-20-2006 23:57
Wow?I?m Away from my computer for apox. 24 Hours? and Look what happens? were on page 3? Hmm well? Best get started reading?
*Reads?*
quote: SpaceFold said:
I'd have a hard time believing me too. It is hard to understand in a time when time travel is thought of as impossible. Just like the world is flat, or the speed of sound can't be achieved, or the speed of light cannot be achieved. Or that the Internet cannot be completely wireless.
Correction? Most think of impossible? I?m Not Like most (thank goodness)? Hence I am ?INSANE? ( I Could Quote my self on thoughts of Impossible? but I won?t , unless you would like me to)
quote: SpaceFold said:
Racism is over by 2018.
HAZAA!!! One the Most useless evils finally is Done for... (It better be.... the question is how... )
quote: SpaceFold said:
I work for an orginization that would be the equivilant to your Central Intelligence Agencey. (All though it is not the C.I.A.) That no longer exsists in 2039. Too many problems with politics. And I am not selling anything. I'm just enjoying getting to know some of you before my return.(Edited by SpaceFold on 01-19-2006 18:26)
I Have always disliked politics?well?.the Party Politics?.
quote: SpaceFold said:
quote:
INSANEdrive said:and what is Osama Bin Up too
I would really like to tell you that Osama Bin Laden was killed in the very first attacks on Afghanistan and instead of making him a martyr, The U.S. Government kept it quiet. It served them better to lead you in fear then to let anyone know he was dead causing more problems. The U.S. felt that if we had captured him, we would have endured further terrorist attacks. So after we confirmed the kill, we simply "kept looking" for him.Oh you'll hear from him again but only hear. You'll not see him live. Not on video, because that would be hard for the government to fabricate. But rather audio only?I'd like to tell you that. But that might endanger my mission. (We did not negotiate with terrorists)(Edited by SpaceFold on 01-20-2006 00:31)
I Actually Meant , are we going to have any other 9/11?ens from them? ( Than again, its not like it matter since were going to be nuked, split, and stoned from above)
quote: mas said:
quote:
SpaceFold said:Say goodbye to Ford this year.
do you mean the car manufacturer?
*Slaps Forehead?*
quote: SpaceFold said:
There's only about a 2% change and I will be the only one to notice the change. For the rest of you, it will simply go along as you thought was normal. Yes there is still porn, but child birth is rare now. So when it happens it's a big deal.
Chik-Chik-A-Bow-wow
quote: SpaceFold said:
If I have done anything to alter the future, I will be the only one to be aware of it, since everything in your view will go as pre-destined. And I'm told it's a 2% noticible difference. I'll know for sure once I return to my worldline.Now does anyone have any OTHER types of questions?If you are unable to enjoy my posts, then simply ask me to stop and I would be happy to. I am on many other boards.
Such as. . . . .
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....Ill add to my questions... in a later post...
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There Is A Fine Line Between Genius and Insanity... I Have Erased this line
Meh, after reading all of this dialogue, I think this guy is only another 'rooster crowing in the Jesus Loves Tupperware henhouse'. but he is still engaging.
Um.. anyway, I have a couple questions that i meant to ask earlier.
Whats going on in the world of religion in your time? Any new faces? Jesus come back again yet? I get the feeling that there's way less political hogwash in the future. Does this apply to politics vs church hogwash?
Also, holidays. Do you have any that we dont? Did any disappear into history?
And, on another note, by what means are you actually transending spacetime? Is it a super-gravity induced wormhole thing? Or are you slipping through the quantum foam somehow? Or are you still pushing a DeLorean to highway speeds?
Infact...everyone tell me what you make of this... (The format of this video is WMP...Currently looking fo Quicktime Vers.)
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"There is no surer sign of insanity than trying the same thing repeatedly expecting different results."
-Albert Einstein
I assuming all the space bubbling issue is due to the immense gravity caused by the wormhole.... wait.... isnt worm hole style immese gravity so intense that even light cannot escape? Yet there is so much light....
Also, If he is indeed "searching" for the wormhole with that laser in the begining, doesn't he find it in the perfect place within the frame on the camera?
and wouldn't him going back in time immedietly change the world in front of the camera? What with the butterfly effect and all....
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 01-21-2006 06:04
..Just Incase you missed some of my past questions...
What Is Halo 3 Like ( IS IT T3h 117 WOOT )
What are some of the slang terms in the future.... ( Ya Know Groovy, Jive Turkey, Dude, Sweet, Ow3nd, Ect.)
Which part of the Us got Nuked....
Is There Anything Good In the Future, or Was Hollywood Right after all.... ( THE MATRIX IS REAL ...)O... And Speaking of Matrix...
Have We Compleated the task... for the creation... Of A.I ( Artificial Intelligence )
What Happened To Adobe and Digital Cameras
What Are You Protecting Your Self from... The Grays..
How Is It That by having You Telling Us of what to come serve your purpose in coming back here... (and when should we expect the next traveler(s) to come...)
Have they Invented Lightsabers...yet... (and I know the Deathstar is possible... has one been made as well... No really, I mean It...)
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"There is no surer sign of insanity than trying the same thing repeatedly expecting different results."
-Albert Einstein
From: Happy Hunting Grounds... Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 01-21-2006 11:42
quote:If I have done anything to alter the future, I will be the only one to be aware of it, since everything in your view will go as pre-destined. And I'm told it's a 2% noticible difference. I'll know for sure once I return to my worldline.
That is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if we are aware of the changes, or not. The fact is, that there will be changes. As for "you have been told" - by whom? Since your stay here is not over yet, it cannot be told yet that it is "only" 2%! The changes that your mere presence brings with it, are not over yet.
Now, do you have any other silly things to say?
WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles
I will amdit, Mr. Shaman, that he seems to be mixing up the two trains of thoghut on time-travel. One states that since you have gone back in time, then you've been there already and you won't alter anything in your time by going., because you've already been, and so it's all the same. The other says that going back and changing one tiny thing will alter things radically as the effect spreads and multiplies.
SpaceFold seems to be saying that in the future they know what effects he's going to have already, which suggests the first idea, but that his going will still change things, which is the second. Care to clarify Mr. Future Guy?
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 01-21-2006 17:07
I wanted to edit one of my above posts , but it is too old now to do so... so Im puting what I wanted to add to the edit...here.
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"I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.
This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.
Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it." - Geo. Washington's Farewell Address 1796
******@******
"Some people think Inside the Box... Some people think Outside the Box... But I
Prefer.. to think out of my Mind" -INSANEdrive
Meh, after reading all of this dialogue, I think this guy is only another 'rooster crowing in the Jesus Loves Tupperware henhouse'. but he is still engaging.(Edited by Wolfen on 01-21-2006 01:56)
Wait, you mean to tell me that Jesus doesn't love tupperware? And I thought people in my time were mislead.
You are close, but make no mistake you're simply mis understanding me. If I never came to 2006, life as I know it would unfold as normal. If my coming to your worldline has altered anything in the future, only I will be aware. Simply because for you and everyone else who takes "the long way" for you, all be it different from the original worldline, will unfold normally in your perception. Because You did not travel back in time.
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 01-22-2006 00:24
Well .... Its still 1/21/2006 over where I am... Hows that for time travel... (Questions...Answer... and Pie...Mmmmm...Pie...)
( I also Understand what is going on... at least thats my understanding...)
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"There is no surer sign of insanity than trying the same thing repeatedly expecting different results."
-Albert Einstein
From: Happy Hunting Grounds... Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 01-22-2006 01:39
quote:You are close, but make no mistake you're simply mis understanding me. If I never came to 2006, life as I know it would unfold as normal. If my coming to your worldline has altered anything in the future, only I will be aware. Simply because for you and everyone else who takes "the long way" for you, all be it different from the original worldline, will unfold normally in your perception. Because You did not travel back in time.
That is still irrelevant - your continuing presence is changing our futures, from what they would have been! It does not matter if we are aware of what the changes are - the fact is, that change is occuring with your continued presence. Second, yes, we are aware that there will be changes - my posts are evidence thereof. We are just not aware of what the changes are (or will be, accordingly).
Also, even if the changes you describe as being "only 2%" - 2% of all of existence is still a pretty large amount! How many humans have died because of your interference in the timestream?
WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 01-22-2006 04:52
quote: NoJive said:
^ I 've been told that on the prairie this type of thinking is referred to as a 'circle-jerk.'
That was Uncalled for... so I respond with the following
*Insert Witty and Clever Comment here* ( Why Should I Put in the Effort... Its not like its worth it )
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quote] WebShaman said:
quote:
You are close, but make no mistake you're simply mis understanding me. If I never came to 2006, life as I know it would unfold as normal. If my coming to your worldline has altered anything in the future, only I will be aware. Simply because for you and everyone else who takes "the long way" for you, all be it different from the original worldline, will unfold normally in your perception. Because You did not travel back in time.
That is still irrelevant - your continuing presence is changing our futures, from what they would have been! It does not matter if we are aware of what the changes are - the fact is, that change is occuring with your continued presence. Second, yes, we are aware that there will be changes - my posts are evidence thereof. We are just not aware of what the changes are (or will be, accordingly).Also, even if the changes you describe as being "only 2%" - 2% of all of existence is still a pretty large amount! How many humans have died because of your interference in the timestream?WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.- Sophocles
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Maybe Its Not Interference....Maybe His (or Her) Being here is meant to be... and that there are some things that we just can?t comprehend about time at this moment (in time)... of course we all have our theories... but I would like to see some more questions "answered" first..
Oh, and SpaceFold, did you mean Harrison Ford was gonna die? Because that would be way more interesting than, like, Gerald Ford.... who is old and sickly.
From: Happy Hunting Grounds... Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 01-22-2006 15:52
quote:Maybe Its Not Interference....Maybe His (or Her) Being here is meant to be
Also irrelevant - because the Timetravellers chose to come here - free of will. They did not have to. The fact is, they chose to come, and they are actively changing things, and more importantly, are aware that they are changing things.
Maybe you should invest some more thought into that - maybe they are here, changing things for their own benefit, and not yours. Maybe through their actions, they have killed your future self.
From the feedback that I am getting from SF, he is not at all concerned with the change being done, is not at all concerned about the consequences thereof, and is not even remotely interested that his actions could be resulting in human death.
I find such alarming.
WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 01-22-2006 16:24
quote: WebShaman said:
quote:
Maybe Its Not Interference....Maybe His (or Her) Being here is meant to be
Also irrelevant - because the Timetravellers chose to come here - free of will. They did not have to. The fact is, they chose to come, and they are actively changing things, and more importantly, are aware that they are changing things.Maybe you should invest some more thought into that - maybe they are here, changing things for their own benefit, and not yours. Maybe through their actions, they have killed your future self. From the feedback that I am getting from SF, he is not at all concerned with the change being done, is not at all concerned about the consequences thereof, and is not even remotely interested that his actions could be resulting in human death.I find such alarming.WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.- Sophocles
Maybe we both should think more... I more your way, and you more mine...
In a matter of speaking this kind of thinking are mixed by the words we use... so what we are trying to say really might not show... the concept may be understood... but not in full...
as for Choice and free will... It would/could still be meant to be.... but then it wouldn't be free will... or would it...
I know what I am saying sounds like the babbling of irrelevant insanity, but I don't know how to currently express my thought further... I don't think there are words for what I am truly trying to say... currently...
It sucks being lost in the deepness of my own thoughts?
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"Some people think Inside the Box... Some people think Outside the Box... But I
Prefer.. to think out of my Mind" -INSANEdrive
Why the Asylum ? Did you came here/now with a list of persons/forums/medias to aware ? What prevents you from leeching some infos ? do you really have to go back ( well, forth ) in 2039 ? I mean you're welcome in the Asylum, feel free to stay, we have enough pills & electricity for everybody and the squid of the North wing is always friendly with new people.
That all depends on whether or not the passage of time is just an illusion created by one frame of spacetime having more information than another. If all possiblities exist side by side, then there's no way to determine one timeline from another. other than simple perspective opinion.
Hello all, sorry I haven't posted in a while. I was waiting for some decent questions. Unfortunately this forum, among others will not longer be in existence in 2039. In 2017 we convert to complete wireless internet. It's pretty cool.
More than one Ford had problems this year. You'll understand what I mean shortley.
This forum IS on a list of forums I was to post on. For reasons that I cannot explain at this time, there are certain people viewing this thread who will have a major life altering "experience".
Ok, ok relevant questions lemme think fer a sec...
These days we hear alot about stem-cells, cloning, biotech blah blah blah boring ethical issues. Where does stem-cells/cloning/biotech fit in the future?
Civil Wars thought; with the current level of violence in schools, McD's, and the Post Office what comes of this "societal violence" during the civil war to come?
Hackers, Hacker Wars, Viri, Computer Security, what are these items like in the future? For that matter what of Microsoft, Apple, AOL etc?
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 01-25-2006 00:17
quote: SpaceFold said:
Hello all, sorry I haven't posted in a while. I was waiting for some decent questions. Unfortunately this forum, among others will not longer be in existence in 2039. In 2017 we convert to complete wireless internet. It's pretty cool. More than one Ford had problems this year. You'll understand what I mean shortley.This forum IS on a list of forums I was to post on. For reasons that I cannot explain at this time, there are certain people viewing this thread who will have a major life altering "experience".
So when can you explain... next month (Feb in case you lost track...)
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"I was waiting for some decent questions"
Try Some of Mine... and If you can't do it cause IT WILL CAUSE AN INTERGALATIC SPACE RIP IN THE SPACETIME-CONTINUME just say so...ok
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How do the diffrent indistrys hold up in the wars and changes...
IE:
Food Ind.
Staffing Ind.
Travel Ind.
Videogame Ind.
Ect.
******@******
"Some people think Inside the Box... Some people think Outside the Box... But I
Prefer.. to think out of my Mind" -INSANEdrive
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 01-25-2006 00:54
Hmmm.... My Brother was a life altering experience... my father was a life altering experience.... my mother was and still is a life altering experience...
So there for.. I must be a life altering experience for someone...
Is there anything the handful of people that read your posts can do about the upcoming conflict? No true offense but at this very moment the conflict with America's privacy being invaded doesn't seem as big of an issue as you're making it out to be. Is there a possibility that this worldine is slightly different from yours? Of course this could become worse within due time, I'd just like a possibly more descriptive idea?
Now that we're getting on the subject of different wordlines I've got another question for you, I don't really expect you to answer but rather I would just like some input. There's a man called Bishop15 who is posting on one of the boards you posted on, here's a link. Just think of this as some slight entertainment.
If I remember correctly he started posting days before or days after you started to. His worldline reminds me of a worldline that did not have to go through such a progress-killing war like your worldline had to. He even managed to post some pictures of the future! Just read some, he even mentioned the whole 2008 president thing.
Anyhow, it's great that you're posting. I have an optimistic look on your presence, I don't have any intentions of believing if you're real or not, I'm just accepting it as it is.
While you're here though, what were your hobbies as a teenager in 2006? What do you remember doing as a hobby most? Sports? High school drama? Video games? Jobs? What were your personal thoughts of what was taking place during this time of developing conflict?
Did you feel helpless as you were watching events unfold and there was nothing you could do about it? Did the developing conflict hit the public with little warning? What are your ideas of the civil war? Many are mislead by John Titor's predictions dismissing his case since there seems there was "no civil war in 2005". I on the other hand believe that people are believing this next civil war will take flight in a different manner as the civil war in the past took place. Is there any input you could add to this to make yourself more creditable?
What would you have done if you had a second chance? Is your mission some sort of experiment, a theory if you will? Do you have any sort of resentment for the events that have occured or do you accept it as it is? Are you emotionally okay with your mission? Do you have any questions? Here are some links you may find interesting:
http://www.pandora.com/
This is for your own entertainment. Type an music artist you like to listen to and be awarded with other artists that sound similar.
quote:"[2008 is] a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over" (according to John Titor).
This is a quote I found on Wikipedia, and let's face it, whether this is a hoax or not does not matter that much, does it... I mean, it sounds pretty likely to happen... To be honest I have been feeling it coming for a few years now, without having enough knowledge to really understand what's going on or see where it is going to burst out first...This war against terrorism is getting us nowhere in the first place.
Now again, whether SpaceFold is really from the Future or not does not matter, the real debate is much more interesting and let's say crucial, and this is why I actually find SF's intervention pretty clever, no matter its credibility.
Whether SpaceFold is really from the Future or not does not matter, the real debate is much more interesting and let's say crucial, and this is why I actually find SF's intervention pretty clever, no matter its credibility.
Hang on, hang on... What's the real debate then? I thought we were asking questions of our time travelling guest.
Yeah, you're right, sorry... The real debate is only going on in my head
Discussing global issues and how we can avoid them or get prepared (if we can) is the real debate to me, but it certainly is not the topic of the thread.
Apologies...
First off, i found a ip address sitting on one of the other forms of his point to: **censored**
Stating that he uses comcast and he, or, whoever the number is is over in Chicago, do with that what you want
My questions:
Why is the capital in Omaha?(he stated that in another forum)
-i ask becouse Washington DC was a compromise, why Omaha? What happens to New York and like all the other cities that are like, bigger
What all of the US rights do we lose?
-Im a big gun guy ^-^
You mention the new consitution or what have you is based of the ten comandments meaning that the US is not seperating the church and state as much, what about other religions?
You mention a civil war, is this a State Vs State? or is it a demographic vs another?
-I mean you need a lot of people to start a civil war, otherwise its just a big riot, the US CW was based manly over slavery and um what was it...import tax? i forget but it was a big deal back then causing the actual States to leave, with this one you make it sound like its over Consitutional rights, im pretty sure that thats what the Judiciary(spelling) branch is for, they generaly make sure we dont over step the constution one being Freedom of speech(though someone has to challange the infringment of the rights first).
You talk about the internet being monitored does that mean we lose the internet(The United States?) and that another country or the UN itself gains the right to it? Though if thats true i dont know why they would care about my email(UN)
You are 64 you said right? Why would they send you?
-I mean thats like sending a 64 year old to mars, you would think you would send some one...younger
Do we ever go to Mars?
You say that Russia attacks us becouse it views us as "Weak" becouse of the floods, or whatever but that doesnt make sence how did that make us seam "Weak"..slow to respond and ill prepaired yes but not weak as a force or government, i mean, did the plain to Invade? becouse last i checked they dont really like able to do that, or did they just feel like nuking us? Nuking is a threat weapon more than anything else, you dont just nuke something, you said that after the nuke, we nuked them back, im pretty sure they know that would happen, unless they think that New Orleans being flooded disabled like our defences, i mean that doesnt sound like a smart move to begin with especally when they attack us like X amount of years after the flooding
You say for us to change our Selfish ways but you dont say what they are, i mean if you said that all this was becouse of Global Warming, or becouse we didnt eat enough vegetables, or we should have stayed is school, but our selvish ways from what you are saying is that we fought back for our consitutional rights and Russia for some stupied reason attacks us, that doesnt really seam very changable, all it makes me want to do is stock up on arms and wait for it :P
Also you talk about the water and so on being damaged and radioactive which make sence after being nuked, but what all mutations and so on will that cause, i woudl be more worried about the aftermath than i am of the actuall "war", but cense we are still around i will asume that we end up winning, but we all know what asume means
one more question; who do you think will win the superbowl?
w007
[Edit by Skaarjj]Dum see dum... please don't go giving out people's IP addresses in here, thanks. We know what IP he's on, but we don't need to say it to the world. That's why it's restricted behind a password requirement here[/edit]
Well, processor speed and memory size take dramatic leaps forward.
The civil war in the United States that started with the hurricane in 2005. Then conflicts flare up and down for 10 years. In 2015, Russia launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the United States, China and Europe. The United States counter attacks. The US cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal Empire)...thus we (OUTSIDE OF THE MAJOR CITIES) won.
The European Union and China were also destroyed. Russia is now our largest trading partner and the Capitol of the US was moved to Omaha Nebraska.
From: 2 steps away from a los angeles curb Insane since: Nov 2003
posted 01-26-2006 22:03
*Tired from running and screaming, a naked UC sits to contemplate time travel, infinite time lines, and the web of superposition and interaction inherent in quantum mechanical paradigms*
"huh, no one is chasing me... That's why they'll never catch me... It's like I am caught in an interstitial time loop of running and nakedness. Perhaps the North Tower Secret Lab is still open?"
"Why am I talking to myself?"
"I feel like someone is looking at me"
"HUH!"
"What was that noise!?"
"I better Run!"
"EeeeAaaaaaH! You'll never catch me!"
*UC then contemplates the concept of Deja Vu while running willy nilly down the Asylum corridors"
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 01-26-2006 22:05
quote: SpaceFold said:
Well, processor speed and memory size take dramatic leaps forward.
The civil war in the United States that started with the hurricane in
2005. Then conflicts flare up and down for 10 years. In 2015, Russia
launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the United
States, China and Europe. The United States counter attacks. The US
cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal
Empire)...thus we (OUTSIDE OF THE MAJOR CITIES) won.
The European Union and China were also destroyed. Russia is now our
largest trading partner and the Capitol of the US was moved to Omaha
Nebraska.
Why Does (would) Russia Nuke the US... What do (would) they Gain from it
Why Does Russia Attack them as well..Again What do (would) they Gain from it
Why Omaha Nebraska
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There Is A Fine Line Between Genius and Insanity... I Have Erased this line
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 01-26-2006 22:10
quote: UnknownComic said:
*Tired from running and screaming, a naked UC sits to
contemplate time travel, infinite time lines, and the web of
superposition and interaction inherent in quantum mechanical paradigms*
"huh, no one is chasing me... That's why they'll never catch me... It's
like I am caught in an interstitial time loop of running and nakedness.
Perhaps the North Tower Secret Lab is still open?"
"Why am I talking to myself?"
"I feel like someone is looking at me"
"HUH!"
"What was that noise!?"
"I better Run!"
"EeeeAaaaaaH! You'll never catch me!"
*UC then contemplates the concept of Deja Vu while running willy nilly down the Asylum corridors"
By the way..My Imaginary Killer Hamster thinks you have some serious Issues with stuff... at least that?s what I told my self....
.... Birds are Pretty...
( And Watch out for the Squid... I thinks it just about feeding time...)
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I don't Suffer From Insanity .... I enjoy every moment
Xavier's replys are seeming a bit more frustrated and brief.
It's too bad this topic has become so silly. It was much more interesting when there was a degree of seriousness to it all. Not that the topic is any less interesting. Its just this thread has lost its flare.
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 01-27-2006 01:57
Well...If More Questions could be answered... That might help
and In-stead of just brushing off questions... Just say can't answer..
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"There is no surer sign of insanity than trying the same thing repeatedly expecting different results."
-Albert Einstein
From: 2 steps away from a los angeles curb Insane since: Nov 2003
posted 01-27-2006 12:26
quote: MiNiature said:
It's too bad this topic has become so silly.
Huh?
Become silly?
Puhlease... It was Silly from the get go.
quote: Spaceknob said:
What I CAN tell you of my mission, is that one of my objectives are to answer any questions you have (just as the one who came before me has) with as much detail as I possibly can.
And then he proceeded to pick and choose questions that made him look authoritative, yet sidestepped anything with specificity...
Tell me, why would Russia launch nuclear attacks on several fronts? And why would he not answer any questions about that preposterous supposition?
Did your say that like nothing happned to Europe? And now you are saying they where distoryed?
and i fail to see how the hurrican has any relevence to anything
its like:
*Russia attacks
*US obvously counters
US: Fool why did you attack us?
R: Well its so obvouse, i mean you where hit by a hurrican ten years ago, im surprised you didnt see it coming
*after the war*
Lets be friends! TeeHee and trade things
During all this do we at lest take over Mexico? and Canada wail we are at it, what have they been up to?
SpaceFold or anyone
Subject: Past, Present(NOW), Future.
Is the time line that you are on speed ahead of our time line or what?
Doing the calculation is 2039 ? 2006 = 33 years ahead of our now.
Thus 2006 is a current now in our time line and
Yours 2039 is a current now in you time line.
The past is concrete. The present (NOW) is being generated.
The future is unmanifested and deals with probability futures. But
Your existence is in 2039 now is being generated and ours is 2006.
I know my now is 2006 because I am typing what I know at this time.
Can you please give me an answer the differences between our two
time lines in terms of now. I want to know if 2006 time line
is still manifestable and able to change our future and don?t
have to follow you timeline with a 2% divergence. I don?t
like your future. Now I hope you know what I am getting at. Now.
The question: is that because the progression of personal transportation is such that our travel devices may no longer be referred to by automobile nomenclature?
SpaceFold or anyone
John Titor said in 1975 a spit in time lines occurred with a two percent divergence between the two time lines.
1. What was the result or the first cause of this event?
2. Why did such an event occur
3. How did it occur
4. Was it global or just local to North American
5. Was it by design or by accident? ie) nuclear explosions.
6. Was the event natural or by design.
quote: Zyprexa said:
4. Was it global or just local to North American
I would have to say that if a time line were to split or diverge it would be universe wide, not just related to a continent or a world.
Of course that is just my own muddied undertanding of the unification theory, so I could be very wrong.
Earth has it own gravity well thus curving time and space around the planet. And when John Titor was time traveling he sampled the local gravity around his car before time traveling and in 1975 he notice a 2% divergence indicating another time line. So I believe it is still possible that we have world space-time since earth has displaced space-time around itself thus we may still have sovereignty over it time. We are like in our own little bubble in the universe.
A "time bubble" cool.
Interesting idea, and it would work for your hypothesis. The only thing is my sick mind wants to ask the question, what happens if the bubbles bursts and not split?
Maybe SpaceyXavier can enlighten us?
From: Happy Hunting Grounds... Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 02-02-2006 18:50
Nope.
A split in the time line will be universally felt. Quantum Physics demands it.
If even one particle of light, energy, etc that escapes the Earth is different, or altered from it's future self, the entire universe will be effected.
WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles
John Titor said both time lines are attracted to each other.
It is obvious if they are attracted to each other would result in the sinking up between the
two-time line so that they are identical.
1.Is it true that 2 percent divergence mean that our time line and your time line are locked in fate yes or no.
2.Greater than two 2 percent divergence result in non attraction time line thus
have separate fates.
3.How can we force a greater than 2 percent divergence to regain our own fate and not your.
SpaceFold or anyoneJohn Titor said in 1975 a spit in time lines occurred
with a two percent divergence between the two time lines.1. What was the
result or the first cause of this event?2. Why did such an event occur3.
How did it occur4. Was it global or just local to North American5. Was
it by design or by accident? ie) nuclear explosions.6. Was the event natural
or by design.
I am sorry, but I cannot answer that. That DOES pertain to my mission.
John Titor said that in 1975 two timeline were created from one.
1. Could you give us a list of other time line splits occurred before and after 1975?
2. Do we have any timeline split like in 2001 or in the near future 2006?
3. Are there more than one time line split?
4. Do we have a choice if a time line split occurs to choose the timeline we want?
To just make it simple could you just give us a timeline map of all the splitting time lines? If there was one time line spilt around 1975 there are probably others, right.
Semi-New (Dec 27, '05) paper about time pointing in many directions.
Something about time not being a single dimension (Space being 3 dimensions and time the 4th). More than a little deep for a Saturday evening here, but nifty.
I only wish a map of timelines that are similar to ours and have low divergence factors. Divergence is a term used by John Titor. Yes there are an infinite number of time lines possible but there are only a few that manifest. I know this for a fact from Seth Speaks books.
It's a well unkept secret that I followed JT and his posts around the world way back when. He was pretty damn convincing. A lot more than our new friend Cagey/Fold.
I do believe time travel is possible, but I don't believe that a time traveler would broadcast himself like some preverse Pepsi ad. However, all in all, this is something fun to speculate on.
BTW Zyprexa I don't know if anyone's said Welcome to the Aslyum. You've got a perfect name for around here. Just don't go getting cured on us.
Nice Link Zyp! I only thumbed through a few. Maybe after I sleep a bit I can go through some more of that archive.
As for that map of timelines.... I'd love to see it too. But SpaceFold doesn't really seem like the kinda guy to give that kind of info. If it's even givable.
We don?t have freewill due to the 2039 2% divergence with us; 2039 already blazed the trail for us. In 2006 we just follow due to the 2% divergence. It is all predestination for all of us. Thus if we commit a crime its not our fault. Question do we have freewill or not? I know that 2039 exists because Space fold came from there thus it becomes our fate.
Could he tell us what the divergence is between these two world line?
What I mean is between ours and his world line. Then I can determine
if his predictions are going to happen or not.
quote:I can't give you all specifics on wars because ir's hard to remember exact dates, but keep a close eye on the middle east. It certainly doesn't end with Iraq. Look at Iran very closley.
Wow, incredible! You've sold me, because I certainly didn't see that coming.
So I take it peak oil is false then and even though consumption is expected to increse by over fifty percent within the next 20 years we never run out? How about water and other resources like natural gas which are also becoming increasingly expensive?
And if we do run out of oil, what of the food shortages when we can no longer dump petrolium based fertilizers on our otherwise useless and overfarmed soil? Do the dead spots within the ocean continue to spread making it harder to collect food from there as well?
Do we ever find out the truth behind 911? What effect did 911 have on the future you claim to be from? I take it you grew up in a heavily surveiled society, iris scans, face recognition, full xray body scans, etc.... What other great things do we have to look forward to?
How will Hamas govern Palestine? Will we end up invading Venezuela or don't we make it that far? Do we have any political assasinations to look forward to? Is the current propaganda about Iran simply another repeat of the false claims against Iraq? How about some important information, or can't you divulge that kind of stuff.
What purpose does your posting here serve? You say you have a mission, but you also say way back in the thread that you are here for personal gain? So which is it?
ooo...good one DL.
I'm willing to bet that with the 2% divergence he does proceed with 7 (The Republic Elections) 8 (The Senate Debates) and 9 (The Senate Jedi Love Story), but it doesn't show up in our time-line. Rather in our time-line Lucas creates the ILM TV netework, and premiers it by showing a JarJar Binks & The Ewoks music marathon.
I haven't heard of Remote Vewing in years. All Remote Viewing does really is teach you some very serious, very intense, problem solving skills, by learning how to recognize what your sub-conscious mind already sees. Neat stuff, but I wouldn't buy a program to learn about it. Just check out books on it from your local library. There have been books published on it since the 1940's.
It's a unique idea I think to use Remote Viewing to find information about the future. (Kind of goes along on that whole "if space/time is curved whay can't we remember the future" idea.) But your right, it probably wouldn't work. I think it falls within the Schrodinger's Cat senario.
You could also pay close attention to world events, where we are, trends in financial and geopolitical circles, read a lot of government documents and stuff from thinktanks and other influential groups such as the CFR, compare to history, and based on that, get a pretty good picture of where we are heading. No specifics of course, and definately not failsafe, but then again, these "time travelers" never offer us specifics either.
One other question for our time traveling friend. What kind of vaccination procedures must you undertake before jumping around polluting our timeline? And also, how do you know that you will not go back in time and carry some long dead disease forward to your time? I'm sure all you superior future folk have this all worked out, right?
From where I am standing, the risks outwiegh any benefit and once again humanity is playing with things that put the entire world, if not the entire universe in danger. Nothing has changed, and we never learn, do we?
Remote viewing has improved over the years.
You can look into the future.
It also can nail military target.
Look for missing persons.
People from this can draw accurate and detailed pictures.
Here an example.
I don't know when our Friend Spacey will return here. He said he's not going back to 2039 until sometime AFTER April 15. I've got a feeling he doesn't like us too much around here. He never spends any quality time with us.
I do know that we are much more active on this topic than other boards.
Who is the 12th Imam, the Mahdi? Muslims I have talked to seem to think he was born in 1980 and will rise to power within the next 2-14 years. This is taken so seriously that from what I have read, Iran's new president forced the members of his cabinet to sign an oath of loyalty to Mahdi.
How you traverse the time lines from 2036 to our line the John Tior way.
1. Go back to 1975. Pick up a computer. (his mission).
2. Time line converges.
3. Head your way back 2006
4. Why he is here is because stuff happens.
To go home
1. Go back to 1975
2. Time line converges
3. goto 2036
4. your done.
John Titor can only travel time lines and can?t jump across time lines therefore the 1975 date is so important when the two new lines were created from one old line predating 1975. Thus 1975 is a cross over point or junction points
The reason why you can?t go directly to 2006 from 2036 is because you have no point of reference ie) gravity measurement to lock onto so that you don?t become lost.
Space Fold is it true you can only travel time line only to get from here to there?
But you never make thoughtful posts, you don't leave tantlizing little bits, you never buy me anything nice, and you never take me anywhere.
Com'on you've got to join in and participate, isn't that part of your mission to give us what you can so we can change our evil vile ways? Isn't it a part of your mission objective to answer questions with as much detail as possible? That means you've got to step up and contribute. Come on SpaceMan, make a believer out of me.
Ive been having a hard time with something you said way back.
You say you are staying with your past self? And as you and yourself interact you have some kind of dejavu' as if youre affecting your own past.
However, I seem to believe a definite point made by John Titor was that a time traveler doesnt travel into his own past, but rather, a similar time line to the one he remebers. (maybe thats where your 2% divergence comes in. The timeline you go to is similar to your own + or - 2%)
Anything and everything he does effects our future and our timeline. But he changes nothing of his own timeline. He claimed to be staying with his own past self (he was three years old) and his parents. But assured us that when he goes home, his parents will have no memory of it. That's because it didnt happen to them. Different timeline. Thats also one of the main reasons he says he cant truly predict anything in our future. Because he and us would be able to act on the information and change the future. He can only tell us what happened in his past.
All perditions into the future are event driven. And if an event does not occur then the divergence between the time line are great and our fate with John Titor will not occur. John Titor events have not occurred or happened thus there is a high divergence between our two lines in high. Therefore our world time lines are different. And since Space Fold came from the time line of John Titor his prediction will be off. Space fold is still credible be it that our timeline divergence is too high and that that.
I see what youre saying Zyp. But I was asking SpaceFold why he went back into his own timeline. and not into a similar one like Titor did. Fold says he remebers talking to his future self in his past. Titor said he didnt remeber. because it was a different, though similar, timeline.
And what makes you think Titors events wont occur?
Just another link post.
From Slashdot a Test for String Theory Developed. Talking about proving the existance of 10 or 11 dimensions. Although that whole "creating micro-black holes" thing makes me more than a bit nervous.
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 02-09-2006 16:19
quote: F1_error said:
Just another link post. From Slashdot a Test for String Theory Developed. Talking about proving the existance of 10 or 11 dimensions. Although that whole "creating micro-black holes" thing makes me more than a bit nervous.
Nothing Like Warping Space Time In your Living Room ( Mines in the Left Corner of my Cell
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I don't Suffer From Insanity .... I enjoy every moment
For one, there has not been a civil war in the
US for 2004 and beyond, it is now 2006.
If there is no civil war then the Russia will not attack?
Russia will only attack us when we are weak and
now see how the time line falls apart. Now you
see the collapsing of event in the time line one
effecting the other in the future.
greeting earthlings! just dropping by and noticed this really long thread about this guy from 2039..is he for real? anyhow, i think there is no need to fear the future. no matter what this guy says its better to stay positive and work for a better future than worry about it. let's all just stay cool..cheers guys!
He estimated the civil war to be in 04 or 05. He also said that it wouldnt be a well known event until 2008, when fighting would become more common. This invasion of privacy act is supposedly the begining of the civil war. In 08 (with the new pres elect) things will really start. I would love to believe we are out of the "getting nuked by Russia in 2015" timeline. But I dont think we're outta the woods just yet.
What is the current divergence between you time line and ours. Divergence is a term used by John Titor used thus you should know. It is really a simple question since it will tell us or indicate whether you predictions will occur or not.
What % of divergence is required for us to separate us from your timeline of 2039 from effecting 2006 fate? How hard is it to do this?
In 1975 to 2039 time line there was a 2.0% divergence going from 1975 to 2006 time line. Has he divergence grown between them since 1975?
These are really simple questions.
DocOzone
Maniac (V) Lord Mad Scientist Sovereign of all the lands Ozone and just beyond that little green line over there...
From: Cardiff By The Sea, California Insane since: Mar 1994
posted 02-11-2006 02:55
quote:This forum IS on a list of forums I was to post on. For reasons that I cannot explain at this time, there are certain people viewing this thread who will have a major life altering "experience".
Ooh! I wonder whose life will be altered? I'm arrogant to assume that it simply *can't* be me, my life seems to chug along it's own strange, twisted course - I like it that way. =)
Welcome Xavier, I'm glad you made it here to the Asylum. I'm curious; why are you posting here under the name "SpaceFold" instead of "XavierCage"? Does this have any significance, or is it merely a minor snafu?
I wonder which Ford we might be referring to, if not the motor company? Gerald and Betty are both still alive, though feeble - the Ford Foundation seems to be chugging along OK, it's hard to imagine anything happening there. I'll have to snoop around a bit and see what I see.
I'd lay good odds that this forum (and many others like it) *are* still around in 2039 in one form or another. There will always be plenty of fanatics willing to restore the old systems to their former glory. (Think the Apple IIgs communities, for instance.) 35 years is not really a long time. I'll assume that you're simply not geek enough to know about it by then! No shame there. =)
Hmm, WWIII seems worrisome, as does 2003 QQ47. I would think the potential for devestation to be about equal for both, yet you've labeled the asteroid as a mere "spectacle" (sp). Interesting. Can you tell us where it hits? That could be nice to know. I also find myself curious about the 5 coming states of the US. Chicago appears to bite it, Minnesota doesn't, (only an 8 hour drive apart, so that's a surprise.) Omaha is apparently OK. What regions wane, and which rise in ascendancy? I'm living down San Diego way myself, so I'd of course like to avoid a life as radioactiev fallout, heh.
ANYways, glad to have you on board, and welcome again to the asylum. I never much liked that Titor fellow, he seemed too full of himself for my taste. I'm enjoying this thread immensely, so I'll be following developments here. TTFN!
Hey, its the Doc himself. This thread must be getting quite loud indeed.
DocOzone
Maniac (V) Lord Mad Scientist Sovereign of all the lands Ozone and just beyond that little green line over there...
From: Cardiff By The Sea, California Insane since: Mar 1994
posted 02-11-2006 18:42
I just like time travelers, maybe? I'm busy trraveling forward in time myself, at the rate of 24 hours per day. (Sometimes I squeeze an extra hour or three in there, heh. =)
quote:I was born in 1977 in Illinois. I was a scientist, an author, and a father all after the time I turned 32.
So, in the next 3 years it looks like Mssr. Cage the younger will have either a child or a book published, or both. (I'm assuming the scientist thing is something already in the works. ;) How's the book coming? And how is the beautiful Mrs. Cage? Is Mrs. Cage still around in 2039? How are you personally handling this meeting? (I realize I jump to conclusions, perhaps their is no Mrs. Cage and Cage the Younger is quite the rake, hmm.)
Malin was curious how Russia ended up becoming powerful enough to worry about attacking the USA, it does seem that they have plenty to worry about just handling the remains of their own fractured self. Still, bunches can happen in 10 years time I suppose.
Hints were dropped about 2 women candidates running against each other in 2008, one of them black, perhaps? Russia was apparently emboldened to attack us due to our weak president. Civil war was prompted by the ascendancy of the "Big Brother" mentality, and red vs. blue political squabbling. The "weak president" concept implies a blue victory, yet the further growth of "big brother" implies a red victory. (I'm assuming a 2-term presidency.) Personally I find it much more enjoyable to speculate about near-term future events, as the effects can and will be influenced and experienced by ourselves.
Anyone want to make a guess about 2008? Condie or Hillary, who wins? =)
I thought it would be Hillary. But I didnt think about the ascendancy of Big Brother. Hillary certainly doesnt seem to fit that bill. Maybe Condoleca (sp?) has what it takes to start the war.
DocOzone
Maniac (V) Lord Mad Scientist Sovereign of all the lands Ozone and just beyond that little green line over there...
From: Cardiff By The Sea, California Insane since: Mar 1994
posted 02-11-2006 22:44
quote:Coincidence? I think not!
I agree, it all sounds fishy to me! Zyprexa seems to me to be *way* too into this whole "divergence" thing, which I scarcely got into at all. From my perspective, the universe is diverging *all* the time, and yes, I have control. (So do you, but I digress.) Who else got into "What the (bleep) do we know?"? I liked that movie, it fit into my thinking where I race down this endlessly diverging series of probabilities, turning and twisting from one exit lane to another, with no going back. (Up until now, I suppose, heh.) If you pay attention you can steer into a probability that pleases you; if not you end up wherever is most likely. By this reasoning *you* may experience a civil war, WWIII and an asteroid strike - I may only experience the asteroid (because I think that'll be pretty cool. My subconcious won't let me miss that even if it's only a vague possibilty, so I probably won't!)
quote:It's gonna end badly... man. I just know it.
Bummer that - it probably will! For you, at least. :/
Anyone want to make a guess about 2008? Condie or Hillary, who wins
I don't think Condi is quite enough of a Hawk or warmonger to start a war. Of course, you can always look to whom is pulling the strings.
Hillary just doesn't have the spine to go to war. Tho she might be able to tackle that health care issue again.
But with the choice of these two, I don't think we'll see a civil war. So I'm going to have to say "Third Party". Which could very possibly be a woman, and just enough off balance to create a civil war. Or alternately the civil war could come for other reasons, not just whom the Prez is.
Keep in mind that our Time Traveling buddy is only from the year 2039, which isn't really that far away. Historians won't have had much time to throughly go over the reasons for war (Civil, WW]|[, etc..), add into the fact that it's a Civil War + a World War, and I'm going to surmise that it's possible the historians that are in that time-space thingy might not be the best ones for the task of determing why things happened the way they did. Or even worse, maybe Spacey (and John Titor) has been misinforming us. Too many twists and possible turns.
I'm just gonna ride the ride, and have what fun I can. But speculation of "what may be" can be a fun way to pass the time as well.
quote:I agree, it all sounds fishy to me! Zyprexa seems to me to be *way* too into this whole "divergence" thing, which I scarcely got into at all. From my perspective, the universe is diverging *all* the time, and yes, I have control.
It?s the only means we have for validity of prediction. Dare I say the word divergence.
From: buttcrack of the midwest Insane since: Oct 2000
posted 02-13-2006 18:46
I think probably Hillary, but we don`t know what kind of Hawk she`ll pick for a running mate, eh?
And if we`re not careful with this divergence/probability thing we could turn the whole universe into an Improbability Drive, and then it`s all up in the air (so to speak).
And, yes, I`d like to have some of what Spacefold is smoking.
Good to hear from ya, Doc, was begining to get a tad worried about you. Hi Malin !!
John Titor and Xavier Cage are from the same world line.
Someone should archive all the prediction in a checklist and check or X them off one by one by date if possible. This is only way to know how similar or different the two world lines are. But the problem is once the event happen it is no longer a prediction but an event. If we knew statistical value that I wanted a checklist would not be need. The percentage value would validate all prediction.
I'm not so sure about putting SpaceFold/Xavier Cage in the same list as John Titor. For one John was a lot more active, not only online, but also interacted with conspiracy buff Art Bell. True that Spacey claims to be from the future like Titor, but really thats where things end. Spacey just does not interact with us as much or as well as Titor had/has/will.
As far as the other boards that Spacey has been posting upon, he's spent just as much time (if not less) interacting with them, as he does here. Spacey just isn't offering up the proof that Titor did. Of course I'd personally think it'd be great if it were proven Spacey was from the future, or if any time-traveler was offer such proof. But vauge and semi-philosophical do not a time-traveler make. I keep asking Spacey to step-up and participate more, just to prove me right ot wrong, but he just doesn't hang around much. So for now at least, I'm left to have what fun I can speculating.
MiNiature: I fully expect this thread to keep growing until April 15, when Spacey will return to the future past, never to be heard from again.
I am not going to question this whole thing, wether he is acting or saying the truth,
he has a "point" of some sort, something to communicate.
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So, where "Titor" attempted to hide certain facts and divulged others (against better instruction) and failed miserably, I will give you what I can in the hopes that you will be wise enough to change your selfish ways.
YOUR TIME IS SHORT!!!
Ok, let's play it all like it was 100% true.
He is teasing, kinda like the holograms in I-Robot, "you have to ask the right question".
So far I know that the world as we know it will begin to end, and I know my time is short.
I also know that I, and the whole of us, should "change our selfish ways".
So far, we've all proposed "alternatives" to what he assesses will become true,
hypothesis, and asked questions aimed at increasing our individual knwoledge, or bashed him.
(correct me if I am wrong, I haven't read the whole).
All self-centered stuff.
Would I be him, I'd expect someone to "believe" and ask something that could impact the collectivity a little more,
like...
Ya know I can be extra dense sometimes, I never thought about the "you have to ask the right question" angle. I had been thinking that Spacey would just volunteer information to help us change our evil-evil ways. But somehow I think "What can I do to help avoid the catastrophy?" might not be the right question. It's still a little too general. I'm not saying I have the right question for answers, but I'm thinking that if you are right, we'll have to think our way around the problem, and not directly through it. Kind of like don't climb the wall, walk around the wall.
Since Larry Haber is an Entertainment lawyer, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say this is going to be about the "John Titor" movie or the JT Radio Drama. It could be worth a listen just to see what a Hollywood lawyer has in stock for Time Traveling Titor.
But seeing as we have our very own Man-From-The-Future right here, I'll keep thinking of good and relevent questions to ask him.
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 02-14-2006 19:36
...Wow...
And Yet Again.... I Leave ..I return... and The Thread Explodes on Me Again.... and I just Got the Straps Washed and the Buckles Polished on this thing... Darn It all.... Meh... I Was Getting Hungry Anyway...
In the Quick Swoosh of Reading the Babblings of the many inmates...and 1(one) doctor ( HIA DOK..er...DOC)
I Feel The Urge to Post a Quote of My Self.. For it seems that some Questions Have Been Repeated...and Some (well a lot) Haven't Been Answered... But Alas... I?m Not Surprised... for apparently... as SpaceRip is off on his (or Her) Mission.. We Get a New Fool to Fill the Shoes... With an amazing Knowledge of Time... It is a Pity that such things can't be seen on the other side of the screen.. as words are muttered though time
With no guarantee of accuracy (whatever that may be) as we use such to pass the time (or look back into it Inverted for some)
And Now For My Quote Placed Here again?just to Be lost and Repeated?
quote: INSANEdrive said:
..Just Incase you missed some of my past questions...
What Is Halo 3 Like ( IS IT T3h 117 WOOT )
What are some of the slang terms in the future.... ( Ya Know Groovy, Jive Turkey, Dude, Sweet, Ow3nd, Ect.)
Which part of the Us got Nuked....
Is There Anything Good In the Future, or Was Hollywood Right after
all.... ( THE MATRIX IS REAL ...)O... And Speaking of Matrix...
Have We Compleated the task... for the creation... Of A.I ( Artificial Intelligence )
What Happened To Adobe and Digital Cameras
What Are You Protecting Your Self from... The Grays..
How Is It That by having You Telling Us of what to come serve your
purpose in coming back here... (and when should we expect the next
traveler(s) to come...)
Have they Invented Lightsabers...yet... (and I know the Deathstar is possible... has one been made as well... No really, I mean It...)
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"There is no surer sign of insanity than trying the same thing repeatedly expecting different results."
-Albert Einstein
(Edited by INSANEdrive on 01-21-2006 06:05)
Its Could Just Be Me, but its Not? for more may Be here then meets the Mind?
It All Depends on the Point Of View
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There Is A Fine Line Between Genius and Insanity... I Have Erased this line
As in leaving the day taxes are due? One more proof he is not a fool.
Anyway...
didn't he say someone was "watching" his moves or that he had instructions?
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Could he possibly hide details and use "coded hints" or something?
This one is quite mysterious if you think about it for a second...
quote:
I will give you what I can in the hopes that you will be wise enough to change your selfish ways.
And the bit about John Titor, which sounded like "if I give you one detail you'll want more and it'll screw it all up".
Which would be "wise" in any event, truth or lie.
And the bit about John Titor, which sounded like "if I give you one detail you'll want more and it'll screw it all up".Which would be "wise" in any event, truth or lie.
Me thinks it'd just lead to a greater divergence, like maybe 4% instead of 2%. I don't think it would screw things up much more than they are already. We'd continue on, but Spacey would notice a big change when he returned to his time. Speaking of which, if there is a 2% divergence, does that mean that Spacey has a 2% chance of not reaching his "home" timeline? That would be a bummer, it'd be like flying to Hollywood and ending up in Seattle.
quote: _Mauro also said:
Could he possibly hide details and use "coded hints" or something?
This one is quite mysterious if you think about it for a second...
Damn does that mean I have to back through Spacey posts and play "Find the Bible Code"? Where did I put my Buck Rogers Secret Decoder Ring.....
@F1_Error, 1st point
Hmmm... I meant, in terms of "communication".
Statistic maths are a pain in the rear when applied to these computations.
If Spacey is lying, getting into "details" of future predictions is unwise, the mask will break at some point, and the lie will be revealed.
If Spacey is not lying, it still is tedious to say too much. Or not enough.
In time travel terms, here is some more stuff for head scratching:
- would he say which Ford will die, the sole word would reduce the probability of "any" Ford dying at the given date.
which could end up ruining his point altogether.
And ruin our proof he is saying the truth.
Let alone the crowd getting wild at the "give us more" routine if he gave away "only one bit".
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Which leads us to the "bible codes".
More like "general points to define a mindset instead of revealing facts.. that still have to happen".
A better approach to communication during time travel.
The decoder here is: "what does he give away/say", the essential outlines.
Plus the crispy details, like taxes day... but that is so much of a detail, it "may or may not" have anything to do with a hint or bible code.
He has summed up his point in his first post, has given broad "outlines" of what could happen, but investigating the exact "facts" could be an error.
Could waste time.
Many of the underlying problems to the world war he describes are "known" and theyre solution could be one
of solidarity and exchange.
That could be the only thing he is "allowed to revealed in order to have it make sense"
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Or he could be wearing a pretty straightjacket at the moment and typing with his forehead.
I don't think so.
Or he could be someone from the future who is winning a bet about surviving a few months in our societies, and leaving his mark
Who knows?
Some choice SpaceFold/XavierCage quotes with questions and comments....
quote:
...some of the "information" that the one who has come before me has given to you, has seriously altered life as you will have come to know it.
So we are already on an altered path, but a little more gets explained below.
quote:
When Cramer of UW theorized that they were simply attempting to understand how things ended up right after the Big Bang on the time scale of about a micro-second...
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Cramer's research caused an Ion collision in an attempt to surpass light speed which resulted in violent explosions in the test field.
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By the way, the speed of like is depends on which light you monitor. Is it infrared radiation, ultraviolet radiation, radio waves, X-rays, gamma rays? Not to mention what is the size of the vaccume the light is traveling in?
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2001 was NOT supposed to be the year for the serious funding and research (GRANTED BY EXCENTRIC MILLIONAIRES) of time travel.
Some juicy little tidbits lurking in here. Sounds like Cramer was trying to figure out how the universe knew it was a universe a micro-second after the big-bang. That's some deep stuff.
Also we seem to be given a clue as to funding for Time-Travel (and maybe Cramer himself?) just have to figure out which millionare...
quote:
I arrived here on Jan 15th 2006. I will only be here for 3 months. I will return to my time after April 15th 2006.
Somehow I don't think April 15th is so mysterious.
quote:
But there was one in particular (John Titor) and the things he has said and the things he did while on his mission, have made it possible for him to alter his own worldline for his personal gain. This is the MAIN reason why I am here.
So Titor altered things for his own personal gain (ie. Saving Mom from the big bad hurricanes). But how does SpaceFold know about this alteration, wouldn't the timeline seem normal to him?
quote:
...the civil attacks in 2008 and of course the asteroid of 2014.
before the 5 presidents were voted into establishment.
Spacey do mean that there are FIVE presidents per "term" now?
quote:
...before the 5 presidents were voted into establishment. But that doesn't mean that they have an absolute power. (In fact they have a much different role than what you are used to in your worldline)
What kind of role does FIVE Presidents play? How does the future goverment work? You've talked about a new constitution, but how does the goverment work?
quote:
California did not sink after the earthquake in 2027
Bummer for Snake Plisken (sorry Spacey, inside time-line joke)
quote:
Bill gates is well remembered in 2039 but ironically not for his operating systems. His involvement in Africa was a failed attempt that left the country running rapid with disease.
What does Bill Gates do to Africa? Does he release a disease, try to combat a disease and make things worse? Is Bill thought of as an evil man because of this or just a failure?
quote:
The measurements for timeline divergence are known in your worldline as AMF, GERB and AMMA stations.
I'll be plugging these into Google and see what I dig up...
quote:
Biotech - A division of Genfit (French Company) goes public late 2006 early 2007.
Why does this Company going public stick out in your mind? Is it something they do or don't do?
quote:
People having sex is dangerous, only because childbirth in our worldline is very detramental to the body. So if a woman gives birth to a thriving child, and the mother does not die, it is a very imprtant thing.
Does this mean that medicine has taken a step backwards? Or are the other complications from illness, radiation and the like. I'd don't know how thrilled I'd be to be jumping through time, when the human race was dying off from lack of breeding ability.
quote:
...there are certain people viewing this thread who will have a major life altering "experience".
This has got to be my favorite quote of all. Really appeals to the ego doesn't it.
Once we get our AMF, GERB and AMMA mesurement we can then compare it with space fold value and find the timeline divergence ourself.
So where can we get these measurements? I've been able to figure out what GERB is, but AMMA and AMF are being difficult. I'm pretty sure he's not referring to AMF that bought (and since sold) Harley Davidson years ago. (The AMF/HD days were very black days indeed.)
DocOzone
Maniac (V) Lord Mad Scientist Sovereign of all the lands Ozone and just beyond that little green line over there...
From: Cardiff By The Sea, California Insane since: Mar 1994
posted 02-15-2006 21:27
"Once we get our AMF, GERB and AMMA mesurement we can then compare it with space fold value and find the timeline divergence ourself."
I'm assuming the AMF refers to the Atmospheric Radiation Measurement (ARM) Program from the U.S. Department of Energy. I like the name Radagast. If I was still playing D&D I'm sure my next character would be named thusly. =)
AMF : The ARM Mobile Facility (AMF) The Atmospheric Radiation Measurement (ARM) Program was created in 1989 with funding from the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE). Sponsored by DOE's Office of Science and managed by the Office of Biological and Environmental Research, ARM is a multi-laboratory, interagency program, and is a key contributor to national and international research efforts related to global climate change.
GERB: Geostationary Earth Radiation Budget Experiment GERB is an Announcement of Opportunity Instrument for EUMETSAT's MSG-1 (Meteosat Second Generation) satellite, intended to make accurate measurements of the Earth Radiation Budget from geostationary orbit. It has been produced by a European consortium led by the UK together with Belgium and Italy, with funding from national agencies. Additional GERB instruments are being provided for MSG-2 and MSG-3, with funding by EUMETSAT.
AMMA: African Monsoon Multidisciplinary Analyses project African Monsoon Multidisciplinary Analysis (AMMA) is an international project to improve our knowledge and understanding of the West African Monsoon (WAM) and its variability. AMMA is motivated by an interest in fundamental scientific issues and by the societal need for improved prediction of the West African Monsoon and its impacts on West African nations. Recognising the societal need to develop strategies that reduce the socioeconomic impacts of the variability of the West African Monsoon, AMMA will facilitate the multidisciplinary research required to provide improved predictions of the WAM and its impacts.
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 02-15-2006 23:29
quote: DocOzone said:
Google rocks.
Amen
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Speeking of Rocks
HEY SPACEFOLD!!!! HOWS THE DRUGWAR IN 2039!!!!
And What Are the Effects of the Drugs ( I mean Ya Know... Y- Thought
It there are alternate time lines, and conversions and such... what If Is time Line is One all on its own, With in its own Dimension (this may have been discussed ..but I haven't been able to read all the stuff I have missed...Yet)
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quote:
People having sex is dangerous, only because childbirth in our worldline is very detramental to the body. So if a woman gives birth to a thriving child, and the mother does not die, it is a very imprtant thing.
What about condoms? .. strange.. doesn't quite sound right to me.
Doc, good find on AMF. I had found that info for AMMA, but I just can't figure out how that could be used to figure out the Temporal Divergence. Got any ideas? Maybe something to do with that "multidisciplinary research" vague statement.
quote: _Mauro said:
What about condoms? .. strange.. doesn't quite sound right to me.
Well it sounds like it's not sex that's really dangerous, but childbirth. Even the most effective birth-control is only 99.9% effective, so sex might = "Danger Will Robinson, Danger"
It's also possible that the Trojan factory might not be in existance, and Sheep-based condoms might also be in short supply.
I wish such predicators had some kind of placebo effect... For example if Space Fold got to say that racism would be over by 2018 to a large scale audience, maybe people would understand it is possible and strive for it.
Almost half Americans were convinced the world would end in 2000, weren't they ? And I find that harder to believe than the end of racism
By the way Space Fold, if you are still with us... Next time you go back in time, if you want to sound serious you should study a bit more science
Yes there are still recreational drugs in 2039. And there is stil drug abuse. However, people use them in very different ways than you are used to. Absobtion is the preffered method of addicts in 2039.
Here, we have black pills and coffee for drugs that can be absorbed.
* Spacefold, the only single thing that strikes you of the dozens of questions asked so far are qs about drug?
...Non-smokable drugs and dangerous sex? Meh, I am staying in 2006.
Seriously, you said "excellent questions", are you limiting this to what INSANEdrive asked?
I'm really, really disapointed SpaceFold. You say your here to answer our questions, but you only come by every ten days, and then you only answer one single question?
Your a lousy time-traveler. Your time is short, if it's so important that you answer our questions and help us change our evil ways, then you should be doing so.
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 02-17-2006 03:50
quote: _Mauro said:
Here, we have black pills and coffee for drugs that can be absorbed.* Spacefold, the only single thing that strikes you of the dozens of questions asked so far are qs about drug?...Non-smokable drugs and dangerous sex? Meh, I am staying in 2006.Seriously, you said "excellent questions", are you limiting this to what INSANEdrive asked?
Lol..... Well... Maybe My Questions are Just Up to Standerds...... Try Harder
Or .... Mabey Resurch was Done.. and Im A Target... ( ITS AN AGENT!! RUN!!! :P)
But Remember not all My Questions have Been answerd ( HALO 3... LIGHTSABERS...COME ON)
And Now for More Questions.....
If You Can Come Back TO This TIme... Does that Mean that in Your time Timetravers May of In fact Come to YOur time Just as You have Come to Ours.. there for.... YOu WOuld Be able to speek of Future even farther then your Own.... COrrect...
also... Inventions.... Cures...
You say Sex is Dangerouse (O..M..G) is this Beacuse of AIDS.... or of something worse...
And even though you Prob. Cant say.... Directly.. What are you up to.... And Again.. What are you useing to post....
...Boy... I have more.... But Lets do this little by little... Pitty... we can't do an IM/ IRC Chat...
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"Some people think Inside the Box... Some people think Outside the Box... But I
Prefer.. to think out of my Mind" -INSANEdrive
In 1975 there was a 2% difference between your timeline and ours. 31 years have passed thing have happen it is not a big stretched the difference between our time line has increased. I would like the divergence between our time line and you?re currently. You give us your value and at our end we will find our value from what you recommended from AMF. If you don?t have the divergence values can you estimate the difference between your world line and ours; it is definitely greater then 2%. Could you give examples from what you observe now the difference in time lines like in research, which is new, like you noted in physics research. You have been here a while you easily figure out how large a difference in timeline and give some examples. That?s all I want.
From: 2 steps away from a los angeles curb Insane since: Nov 2003
posted 02-17-2006 09:09
Doc?
I got a question...
I was lancing a pimple and my right groinal lymph node got infected... well actually what hapened was I popped it sideways, ya know, like when you squeeze one real hard and instead of it popping out it goes off to the side under the skin? [wait! that's not my question, I'm just slpainin the situation]
THENNN, I lanced it with a dirty needle I found in the North Tower. Well, that didn't work out so well...
My right groin swelled up to the size of a grapefruit... Now the thing is, I got some white pills from this other guy and the swelling has mostly gone away...
But...
When I shower, the hot water kind of reopens the dirty needle excavation site and this white puss oozes out. So naturally I started kneading the swollen area and forcing as much out as I can. But I'm curious...
[this is my question]
Is That Bad?
I mean you being a Doc and all, you would know, right?
Right!?
RIGHT!?
Huh? What's everyone looking at? What!?
Hmpf, like no one else has ever lamced themselves... sheesh.
Oh yeah, by the way...
the uhm...
squid thing?
It's been tested for STD's, right? I mean just curious that's all. No one would actually... heh, nevermind...
Arg. There is still a contridiction that i wish would be answered.
John Titor has been accused here of messing with the time line to benefit himself.
John Titor stated repeatedly that nothing he did in this past would affect his home timeline. He said that he did not go back into his own timeline, but rather, a very similar one.
Titor said he stayed with himself (age 3) and his parents while he was here. Yet they (and he) have no memory of it because it didnt happen in his timeline. However, SpaceFold says that he is staying with his past self. And that he is remebering conversations with himself in a strange dejavu kinda way.
So im confused. Do time travelers travel backward into their own timelines or not? Logicaly, I would think a resounding NO. Thats way to dangerous...
The only difference between our time line and there is their current time is 2039 where ours is 2006 with differences. They came first and we came second in which we are following. The question is when we are going to stop following and take our freewill back and escape there destiny. The only way to know this is through divergence values.
2001 ? 2036 = 35 Years ahead. Past now?s with John Titor
2006 ? 2039 = 33 Year ahead. Current now with Space Fold
The way I see it is we are catching up to them time wise by 2 years over 5 year period.
But then I might have done the math wrong calculating the time (now?s).
Zyprexa I don't really understand the whole 2039 came first, and 2006 came second thing. (Maybe it's just mine-own ego not wanting to buy into it.) I realize that time does not have to be linear, it can be curved and loop back on itself. String theory even talks about the non-order of the universe, until you dig extra deep and find the next layer of order. But if 2039 came first, how did the events of 2006 alter that line of divergence? If what you are saying is true, then how is it even possible to regain our freewill until we are past 2039? How can we exert our influence over the time-line / divergence if it's already happened? Would it even be possible to find the divergence if we are working without freewill?
The two time lines are attracted to each other thus we are puppets of the other timelines and will resulting in the 2% divergence in repeating of all the events to a greater extent. 2007, which does not exist, just follow the blueprints of the manifested time line of 2007 of the other time line of 2039. So the probable 2007 for use are the manifested 2007(for 2039) to be for us. We don?t have free will. Remember the date of this writing is 2006
Dates are just indicators of what events have occurred in a specific order therefore I can say 2039 is there now and our now is 2006. Dates are just indicator of what events have occurred in the time line and that all. Time to some extent is not really real but just a weak expression of event since we live in an event driven world. Thus if the Berlin wall didn?t fall we would be living in a radically different world would we not. Time would not then really matter. The Berlin wall either came down or not! When I say now I really mean the probable future that becomes concrete.
The only way we can get our freewill back is by doing event that have not occurred in that other timeline and that where the time traveler come in. New research has to be done and just not copying the other time line.
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 02-18-2006 21:30
and so as we become ever so deeper into the rabbit hole... ( so far there has been little Mauling from Mr. Hippty Hop.... but Hopefully Spacefold can keep 'im at bay )
I would also like to say...once this thread actually dies... that It be preserved... all in favor say I.. I say *I* and My Infinite number of imaginary friends say *I*...So there for with the Majority... this thread should be preserved when so?
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Autonomous time lines and freewill: How to cause a divergence.
Get out as much information out of the time travelers and don?t do those events thus causing a divergence.
Do events on our time line that they never have done ie) Research and development. Beat them to the punch line.
Nuclear war with another country would probably cause a divergence if some sort. But that?s the easy way out.
Ask help from the Feds. And then they would probably lock the bunch of us up.
Figure out how to regain freewill is a very hard proposition. I wish I new the answer but doing it on mass is impossible. How do you convince a zombie new trick if they don?t know the problem exists!!!
Free will is a major underpinning to this message. If you don?t use it someone else or timeline will enforce there will over you and thus we are puppets. But our consumer based society will not let use think any other way. And thus our huge trade deficit with the rest of the world. Resulting in a huge number of events will occur. The collective unconscious is starving for new ideas but will we embrace them and steer us away from the 2039 time line.
But free will for zombies and puppets may be a dangerous thing; who knows what will happen, sounds scary. It is up to the collective unconscious to figure these things out and not us.
The only good thing I can say is the time traveler just being here will cause this divergence, which is a good thing. The good old feedback loop trick with data to feed off of so we can do correction in path we wish to follow.
Isn't it that the divergence has already happened and we want to now prevent a divergence or "seal up" the current divergence?
Also since time has already elapsed since John Titor was here and back again, even if we were to prevent or alter the current divergence we'd never get it back to 0% divergence. Isn't the best we could hope for to be a 0.009% divergence? And if there is still a fraction of a fraction, aren't we still lacking free will?
And just because my alter-ego is F1_evil, isn't it possible that SpaceFold is giving us misinformation, in order to keep playing at puppet master? Could this possibly explain the complete lack of information he's been giving us?
In a worst case senario isn't it just a little possible that if close this divergence, that we could end up preventing Utopia? Say if we follow SpaceFold Timeline until 3039 and in that timeline the world is in perfect (or near perfect) balance, a "Utopia". What would happen to that Utopia if we were to close the divergence, and change SpaceFolds timeline?
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 02-19-2006 04:52
quote: Zyprexa said:
Autonomous time lines and freewill: How to cause a divergence.Get out as much information out of the time travelers and don?t do those events thus causing a divergence.Do events on our time line that they never have done ie) Research and development. Beat them to the punch line.Nuclear war with another country would probably cause a divergence if some sort. But that?s the easy way out.Ask help from the Feds. And then they would probably lock the bunch of us up.Figure out how to regain freewill is a very hard proposition. I wish I new the answer but doing it on mass is impossible. How do you convince a zombie new trick if they don?t know the problem exists!!!Free will is a major underpinning to this message. If you don?t use it someone else or timeline will enforce there will over you and thus we are puppets. But our consumer based society will not let use think any other way. And thus our huge trade deficit with the rest of the world. Resulting in a huge number of events will occur. The collective unconscious is starving for new ideas but will we embrace them and steer us away from the 2039 time line.But free will for zombies and puppets may be a dangerous thing; who knows what will happen, sounds scary. It is up to the collective unconscious to figure these things out and not us.The only good thing I can say is the time traveler just being here will cause this divergence, which is a good thing. The good old feedback loop trick with data to feed off of so we can do correction in path we wish to follow.
I tell ya... ITS THE MATRIX...Its C0nspereicy..AAAAAAAA
quote: F1_error said:
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Zyprexa said:How to cause a divergence.
Isn't it that the divergence has already happened and we want to now prevent a divergence or "seal up" the current divergence? Also since time has already elapsed since John Titor was here and back again, even if we were to prevent or alter the current divergence we'd never get it back to 0% divergence. Isn't the best we could hope for to be a 0.009% divergence? And if there is still a fraction of a fraction, aren't we still lacking free will? And just because my alter-ego is F1_evil, isn't it possible that SpaceFold is giving us misinformation, in order to keep playing at puppet master? Could this possibly explain the complete lack of information he's been giving us? In a worst case senario isn't it just a little possible that if close this divergence, that we could end up preventing Utopia? Say if we follow SpaceFold Timeline until 3039 and in that timeline the world is in perfect (or near perfect) balance, a "Utopia". What would happen to that Utopia if we were to close the divergence, and change SpaceFolds timeline?Just some Saturday night (for me) thoughts.
This is true...
Edit: Now that I think of it Wouldn't it TAKE freewill to change something...to GAIN freewill...and in that case...How in-the-Hay does that work
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All I need from Space Fold is the current divergence %. In 1975 the divergence was 2%. After he gives the value we will know whether it has increased or decreased over time. It will also give us a degree of accuracy to whether Space Fold predictions will come true or not. Thus giving us the divergence will give him credibility whether his perditions are right or not; it?s a total win-win proposition. He has till April 15th to come up with the data. Thus there is not a lot of time left. Better sooner than later. If anyone out there is a remote viewer he/she probably can give us the value like 2.5%. It is really not that hard. The problem is when we get the value what effect will it have on the predictions and to what extent. A small change in % may have great changes in prediction outcomes.
We've done the remote-viewing bit before, you don't need to buy a $300 kit. You just need to become very intimate with your local library. There is lots of information avaiable going as far back as the '40s, and that is only the info I know of. Plus you can add in the fact that in 1996 the CIA declassified the 30+ years of remote-viewing information they had. (Don't ask how I know this, it's a long, long story.)
I also don't think you'd want to use remote viewing to determine the divergence. Remote viewing is like looking into the future through a pin-hole. You can see "something" but without proper context, it's useless. So if you were to remote-view for something like our divergence, it's possible your answer could be off. Being off in this case wouldn't give you a good base for figuring the divergence. You could be off +/-0.05% or more. The remote-view might give you a number, but you would have no idea if it's a positive or a negative number.
SpaceFold has a little less then 60 days to give us the information we need, but I don't think he'll come right out and tell us. He's been very unwilling to do his "mission" and give us information. Me thinks he's partaking of our time "evil ways" before he returns to the dying future. (I now believe that SpaceFolds future is dying, since sex is dangerous and childbirth is detrimental.)
So the good thing is we can get the values. But I don?t think it will go back to 1975?
Yeah we can get the values, but it's going to take a little more education than I have to read the data plots. Although they are rather psychedelic looking...
Just some random graphs taken from 2004, edited for size.
It's unfortunate that none of those three sites is kind enough to place a link saying "Temporal Divergence is That-a-way --->" For me at least without something that obvious, I'm just not going to be able to weed out the signal to noise information needed to figure out our divergence.
And you were right, the data models only go back as far as 1993. But keep going, your making for some heady stuff. And at least you post more than SpaceFold (the lazy bastard).
I thought to get a temporal divergence is we get our value and then get his value from his time line turn it into a percentage and that it. % = (ours - his) / ours. The data at the web site is known as AMF Radioactive Divergence. Our value is about 200000. So the calculation should look something like this.
% = (ours - his) / ours => 2.0% = (200000-196000)/200000 => 2%. Thus 2039 time line the AMF Radioactive divergence will be different thus we need his value to calculate the % divergence between the two world lines.
Somehow that math just doesn't seem right to me. Your following things in too linear of a pattern. Plus the fact that I think we'd need to include the beginning of the "event" to get an accurate or a precise grade of divergence. (And to be honest, the divergence could have begun long before John Titor or 1975.) And to make things even more complicated, you can't forget we are dealing in 4 dimensions, not 3, which your equation uses. Even more there are the "unknown" variables that have to be included in any equation dealing with time.
A good way to get a handle on the fourth dimension math is to read The Fourth Dimension: Toward a Geometry of Higher Reality by Rudy Rucker. Rudy uses 2d vs. 3d (along with the famous Flatland) to explain the fourth dimension. Very eye opening stuff. You should also look into M-Theory, which is either and off-shoot of String Theory or a portion of String Theory depending on whom you ask. M-Theory talks about the strings, super strings, waves, dimensions (11 at last count), and other little puzzles to show how everything works together. M-Theory stands for Mother, as in the Mother of All Theories, which is somehow bigger than the Grand Unification Theory, which is what String Theory was/is supposed to do.
Thus our equation might have to look something like (but not exactly);
([random variable from far past]+[divergence time from Titor and/or 1975]/[Current Divergence]) ([SpaceFolds Divergence set in time]*[total time elapsed from either now or beginning of divergence]) [Then figure out what nasty little variable is going to come from time itself] [Allow for extra variables, (ie. future freewill acting upon 2006 puppets, other time travels, meta events, etc and so on..)] Plus other things I'm not fully aware of.
Once you have that, then you need to create and equation based on the information you have to extract the % of divergence. But that percentage is only going to be good for a brief time, and at the same time, it will be stuck in time.
The problem with the calculation, which I think is no big deal is the divergence value for Space Fold, is from 2039 just before he left and not 2006 in his time line, which he will never get to for eternity and beyond. The only way we can hope to get an accurate measurement is to look over the data over the years to see if the data is flat and stable. We may be able to extrapolate the date or some curve fitting equation solution. But if it is not constant over the years we then have no idea what the true value of his year 2006 on his world line. And that is where we will fall on our face.
Well, those data plots are way beyond me, and they don't offer any beginners language to help things along. So I guess it's up to you to find out if the data plots are stable enough to make a guess. Who knows, maybe if you go through all that information, plots, and graphs, you'll find instances of other time travellers.
If there is a range in the time plots that are greater then 2% then that will prove there are other time lines in existence. All I have for our divergence from various stations is 20000, which is of our time line. But you will have to look at the plot to see if there are other time lines in existence. One simple way of doing this is to find the max and the min and if it is greater than 2% then we will know that there are other time lines like John Titor since he stated the value of 2% to make an unique time line. There should be like valence level if other timelines exist. Here a link to the raw data. Total data graphs
Look like a bell curve and lot of space for other timelines. Looking at the data there are no valence level o well we tried but there is a lot of room for other time lines in the graphs.
AMF RAdiative Divergence using AMF, GERB and AMMA Stations where Space Fold ideas. It is up to him to explain how to extract the data from the graphs. I don?t know how to interpreter the data to find other time line if possible. Space Fold will have to step up to the plate and explain everything dealing with these charts since he had to use them to get here in the first place. If I do it, it will all guess work.
SpaceFold hasn't been exactly forthcoming with information, nor has been spending time here answering questions. He's probably too busy gorging himself on MickeyD's too pay any attention to us evil 2006'ers. Or maybe he's just at the wrong Asylum.
Personally I thought we had been making some headway into the theory behind things. But when it came to actual, accurate problem solving, I at least came up a little short. On the plus side, according to SpaceFold there is already "Cramer of UW" toying around with things, and there is "serious funding and research (GRANTED BY EXCENTRIC MILLIONAIRES) of time travel." So we are not alone in playing with plausibles.
First, the image posted by Titor is without doubt fake.
Just to not get any replies asking why, here are a few things to consider.
* Where's the smoke from the cigar?
* How do you make laser light appear continuous when smoke isn't dense enough. Try it yourselves...
* The beam is too long. There's no way you'd be able to see it all the way from the "pen" out through the window, all in one shot.
* The "pen" isn't aligned with the beam.
* The beam is too thick, looks like fiber optics or one of those "running lights" or "rope lights".
* Nothing else in the picture is distorted by the enormous gravity field.
* The radius of the beam is extremely large. Do the math and you'd find out how much gravitational force would be required to bend it like that.
* The picture itself exists, nothing could survive a gravitational field that large, be it the year 2036 or 2000036.
* The "centre" of the beam curve is located too close to the car.
* Magnify the picture a bit and you'll notice that the beam looks "jagged", pulling light in different directions over the distance of a few centimetres would be a cool party trick!
* There's no reflections from the laser light.
Second, I'm not going to list everything wrong with all the textmaterial since I recently got home from work (10am here) and I'm quite tired, but I'll atleast dump some of my opinions on you guys.
* There's never been a single word concerning hard evidence of someone being from the future in any of the texts.
* All the technical information/statements are vague or impossible to because since they are built on theories that denies proof of themself being true.
* Neither of these time-travelers seem able to answer questions that could be used against them as proof of them either being fake or real. The questions are either ignored or given the standard "I'm not authorized..." speech.
* None of the "predictions" have yet to come true, most of them are actually supposed to take place after the time-traveler leaves. That means the "prophets" can not be confronted afterwards.
* This sounds alot like Nostradamus, was he a time-traveler too?
* Why only stay 3 months? If you can travel through time, there should be no need to rush.
* Why bother going through time if you can't change your own timeworld/line, but only create new ones all the time :P
* Two time-travelers but zero tv-shows? Why use the 'net when even more people have TV/Radio? You want to entertain, isn't that what you said? Opera or Jay Leno would be thrilled to have a real time-traveler on the show!
Anyway, g'nite folks! er.. I mean g'morning... whatever...
Btw, why doesn't someone simply log the time-traveler's IP and compare it to all the other posters. Maybe even track down the ISP and then the poster himself?
TwoD yer a party pooper. Com'on play along, this is the Asylum.
quote: TwoD said:
First, the image posted by Titor is without doubt fake.
I'm not even going to go into the issues behind vaildating photos on the internet, because that in itself is just so reliable.
quote: TwoD said:
Btw, why doesn't someone simply log the time-traveler's IP and compare it to all the other posters. Maybe even track down the ISP and then the poster himself?
It's been done, trust me on this...
As far as the TV/Radio thing, when Titor was here, he did so a few radio interviews, as well as lots of interent postings.
As I've said before, I believe in time travel, I'm just not convinced that SpaceFold is our current Time Traveler. Spacey just isn't participating enough, at least Titor was willing to "hold up" his end of the conversation. Spacey can't see to get a firm grasp on his keyboard.
F1: I know the issues, but that image is too easy to shoot holes through to even be funny...
I believe in time travel too, just not that it's so easy you can simply skip back and forth between different timelines with a single machine in a single timeline.
How did he move the time machine itself throuh time? If he somehow managed this, or if there's more than one, how does he keep it from being detected, especially when used?
Yeah, I know this is the Asulum, and I'm mad enough to even bother!
I'd like to yell at this Time Traveler for not simply taking someone with him back to the(ir) future to prove it exists! But as you said, he doesn't seem to be able to hold on to his keyboard...
I thought this was funny throughout the first thread pages, then it got boring because Spacey doesn't deliver anything useful...
About changing the timeline to make events happen earlier/later than it should.
Ever watched the Star Trek movies? Scotty reveals the "secret" about transparent aluminium with the excuse "How do we know he didn't invent the thing?", when the Doc asks if they would alter the future.
My point is, there's no such thing as "should have happened but didn't" (or the other way around), that would mean there is such a thing as destiny (which is what should have happened). If destiny exists, you would not be able to change anything from what it's supposed to be (which would be what actually (didn't) happened) because that would void destiny.
And if you'd still succeed, it would be because it would be your destiny to succeed, hence that was supposed to happen. So the whole thing contradicts itself like any other paradox.
If you explain this by creating a new timeline for each event's happening/not happeining, there's still no such thing as "that exact thing should have happened because it's the 'correct way'". Every outcome would be "correct", so it wouldn't matter if anything was chaned at all!
So, in my opinion, with what we know and what has been said by Titor and Spacey, Time Travel doesn't change a thing.
Yuck, now I've typed myself into a big mess. Don't remember where I started out, lost my thoughts during the time it took to write this weird thing.
!!DISCLAIMER!! The poster, by posting the message of which disclaimer is a part, intends to do no harm to the past, the present, the future or alternate versions of the previously mentioned timelines. Nor does it intend to do somethin good for that would be equally harmful. He (as in the poster, in this timeline, in this present going on to this future with the past in which this post was actually written) simply intends to let time pass in a timely manner without disturbing the overall peace of the universe(s) in the [to the poster] correct timeline. He (the poster) can under no circumstances or in other pasts, presents or future timelines take no reponsibility of what other versions of this post might or might not state. In the event of this post in this timeline etc, would inflict damage to, or otherwise manipulate, the state of the universe or any timeline whatsoever: the timeline in which this post was never written, (because the poster lost his mind shortly before not posting and thereby being no poster, thus not causing damage to the [in this timeline] damaged timeline) should be considered the correct one. Thereby the poster can by no means be held responsible for anything that is or isn't happening, will or won't happen as well as has or hasn't happened.
DOC! I'm out of meds and this constraint jacket isn't tight enough!
Space Fold can?t get back to his old 2006 timeline since it is the past time, dead and burnt into the history book and not active. Thus this is why he pops into our time since the timeline has no logical choice but to put him here into our collective 2006(now), which is alive and active with life. And that why Space Fold can?t get back to his old time only ours since it is dead done and finished and non-manifestable. His old timeline is fixed but he is changing so he can?t fit in since there is no drama in which he can fit into thus he is pushed into our time line, which is the next closest thing to it. So all I am saying you can rationalize time travel and don?t need temporal mechanic to explain time travel. But I think you need another dimension other than time to make everything work out. Sorry for the repetition just trying to make a point.
Do you agree to these statements?Space Fold can?t get back to... [whole lotta words, blah, blah, blah, too much too quote all at once.] ...just trying to make a point.
And thus this is where the divergence comes from, and what we are trying to best guesstimate at. Of course it would really help if SpaceFold were to actually take part in out efforts, who knows, it might acutally help him out
2039 is a dying time line if they can?t have children successfully. All the Gray aliens talked about on Coast To Coast don?t have sex or children. It?s a sign of a dying race. Just like the Grays are abducting us to revive a dying race of their own if not ours of 2039. It sounds really bad for ours and there?s future. In 2039 are we a dying race. If you don?t use it like in there time line you loose it. Resulting in non-functioning births. And now the 2039 people are here stealing from the past to fix thing its really does not sound good.
Ok, bringing the Grey's into this is just a little "out there". But I get the point, since it's a point I've been alluding to as well.
The whole childbirth/sex = bad is something I've been hoping SpaceFold would address. 2039 doesn't seem like that happy of a time. Of course in 2039 I'll be of retirement age, with luck I'll be thinking of fishing and not resurrecting the human race.
When we understand how wide the AMF Radiative Divergence works. We then can figure out how many world lines can fit within the AMF Radiative Divergence if we assume 2% divergence between world line. We have all the data only Space Fold has to step up to the plate and explain everything. There could be like a total 69 world lines possible if Space Fold get reacquainted to his keyboard.
Spacey has been absent for a very long time now. We might be on our own to try and figure this divergence thingy out. Got any ideas for assuming how we could do that?
The voices in your head are just you, they have nothing to do with termites. Do what I do, and keep turning the radio up until you can't hear them any more. Unless they are named Alan, and telling you to start fires.
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 02-24-2006 06:09
Who said anything about voices...
I did...
See I told You...
Im Hungry...
I know that...
OMG LOOK WOOD....
OMG LIKE WHERE....
OMG LIKE THERE....
O I SEE IT!!!.... ( Scampers off)
------------After Finishing and Having Double the Daily Dose of Fiber-------
Aaaa... Mulch better...
Now than... Spacefold in your time... What are the New Inventions... Or BETTER YET... Just Give the Names of the objects ( Example: a Car called Echo )
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"There is no surer sign of insanity than trying the same thing repeatedly expecting different results."
-Albert Einstein
delta = 12-11.74 = 0.24 For a 2% divergence from 12 if that is where we exist assumption.
delta = 0.24 for 2%
From this we will assume all other time lines 0.24 between other timelines. Therefore
From the graph I choose a viable range from the peak of 10-14 UTC
Thus
4/(0.24) = 17 time lines
From the graph I choose a wider viable range from 9-15 UTC
Thus
6/(0.24) = 25 Lines
And for 7-17 range UTC
10/0.24 = 41 time line
So all of this if we choose 2% divergence at the peek of the graph. But, if we were not at the top of the graph we would get different results. In my opinion we have no less than 25 time line on our planet.
To make thing clear time line are multiple vertical lines on the graph along the UTC axis changing by 0.24 delta.
Sorry for not being here for a while I went to Toronto.
From: 2 steps away from a los angeles curb Insane since: Nov 2003
posted 02-25-2006 20:46
Anyone thinking Zyp is Space?
...and, full of shit?
I mean he comes in as we start to hardball spacedork as a new member and posts prolificalally[sp?] in just this thread...
Something stinks in Denmark, and I'm thinking it's not the cheese.
We can know all the divergent time lines ever and without having a way to transverse them... it means nothing.
Perhaps we are living in an infinite array of possibilities and each choice makes a new thread of possibilities. That kind of infinite possible time lines just makes time travel infinitely improbable or inconsequential. Once a time traveller comes back a new set of infinite time lines are created and although his future will always be the same, our divergence will never coincide with his.
The reality may be a multiverse of possibilities and we each co-exist virtually in infinite time lines. So yeah, anything is possible but what really counts is where we are now. The Asylum writing about blurry tv screen like graphs?
Ok, so if I'm following your math, there are a possible 41 seperate time-lines. So if we plug that into M-Theory, with it's 11 dimensions, that leaves us with the possibility of 451 scenarios. (Or if we follow the 25 time-lines, 275 scenarios.)
But the divergence cannot be a constant, since the only "true" constant is entropy. So as the divergence alters, so does the possible time-lines / scenarios. And this is not taking in account the possibility that the divergence could be greater or lesser in other time-lines, further mucking things up.
However this is still a moot point at best, because we still need to know SpaceFolds divergence from 2039, do we not?
The 2% divergence account for two values results in that percentage. I had to guess our value as the optimal value of 12 on the graph. The problem figuring out Space Folds is whether it was +2% or ?2% relative to us. But this did not matter to me since all I wanted to figure out the number of time line in existence, which relate back to the 2%. You need the background radiation for existence to thrive this is my theory. All I require from Space Fold is our value or his value the 2% divergence will resolve the rest. But what is interesting is number of probable realities that exist in parallel to ours. Whether is to totally difference or just out of sink time wise. I am not that familiar with M-Theory I will have to look it up later.
DocOzone
Maniac (V) Lord Mad Scientist Sovereign of all the lands Ozone and just beyond that little green line over there...
From: Cardiff By The Sea, California Insane since: Mar 1994
posted 02-26-2006 09:04
quote: 10 days ago, SpaceFold said:
Excellent questions!Yes there are still recreational drugs in 2039.
And there is stil drug abuse. However, people use them in very different ways
than you are used to. Abso(r)btion is the preffered method of addicts in 2039.
What happened to our time traveller? I hate it when that happens, I lose stuff all the time! This thread has gotten quite interesting, yet no mention of anything important from our little SF. No pills for you!
A timely diversion perhaps, whilst wondering if our SF will appear in our lifetimes?
A programme starting to-night on BBC4 called Time Really interesting stuff like how we percieve time differently the older we are.
There are links to a number of tests there, two of which I have tried but the test just seemed to end with no conclusion. I see realPlayer is required for some too.
Still, all good stuff.
I thought to get a temporal divergence is we get our value and then get his value from his time line turn it into a percentage and that it. % = (ours - his) / ours. The data at the web site is known as AMF Radioactive Divergence. Our value is about 200000. So the calculation should look something like this.% = (ours - his) / ours => 2.0% = (200000-196000)/200000 => 2%. Thus 2039 time line the AMF Radioactive divergence will be different thus we need his value to calculate the % divergence between the two world lines.
This calulation is wrong. I didn't know at the time we have graphs.
Then again it may be right. It is really how you wish to interpret the 2%
We need Space Fold to step up to the plate. Is the 2% in the X or Y-axis?
Basically the reason why there are changes in the divergence is that you move up and down the curve.
Another topic: Did space fold say whether the US will have 2 currencies, one domestic and the other international. The colored currency is for home use, the old stuff international.
Oh boy getting into axis stuff now.
If we are talking about space-time, wouldn't the axis be x-y-z, time is not a two-dimensional product, and an x-y axis is. (Actually time is a fourth dimensional product, but I'm not sure how to express that in axis form.)
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 02-27-2006 13:27
quote: F1_error said:
Oh boy getting into axis stuff now. If we are talking about space-time, wouldn't the axis be x-y-z, time is not a two-dimensional product, and an x-y axis is. (Actually time is a fourth dimensional product, but I'm not sure how to express that in axis form.)
w-x-y-z
Maybe?
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Actually, yes, w-x-y-z is fine for 4d.
And 4d things can't be perceived, but some can be calculated for real (plane-plane intersection for instance, as far as I remember it was a point).
Actually, I stumbled into something completely different yesterday, which reminded me of Zyp and SF's "scientific pseudo-facts tossing".
But it's controversial... I am hesitating to bring this up, it's funny, but it's all about Xenu, Scientology, and aliens coming to saave oour wooorld...
Then again it may be right. It is really how you wish to interpret the 2%We need Space Fold to step up to the plate. Is the 2% in the X or Y-axis?Basically the reason why there are changes in the divergence is that you move up and down the curve.Another topic: Did space fold say whether the US will have 2 currencies, one domestic and the other international. The colored currency is for home use, the old stuff international.
It can be "X" or it can also be "Y".
Listen, my time with you is almost at an end. A part of me really do not wish to go. But I fear I may have done some damage in this timeline. Ofcourse, you will never know the changes that I might have made. But I certainly will. It will be very interesting to see what 2039 will bring once I return.
I thought you were going to go a whole different direction with the whole Scientology/Aliens/"Save the Planet" angle.
<off topic>To this day I still think it's funny that Scientology evolved from a bet between two science fiction writers. Makes me want to start my own church.</off topic>
Basically you should really stay. Timeline windows come up all the time. There is really no rush time is on your side. When you go back it will be like you never left except maybe for a second or two. Spend some quality time with us you won?t regret it. This page just keeps generating quality topics. Without you it will not function anymore. You?re the one in which I stopped eating Big Macs; who know where that meat come from.
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 02-28-2006 18:57
quote: SpaceFold said:
quote:
Zyprexa said:
Then again it may be right. It is really how you wish to interpret the
2%We need Space Fold to step up to the plate. Is the 2% in the X or
Y-axis?Basically the reason why there are changes in the divergence is
that you move up and down the curve.Another topic: Did space fold say
whether the US will have 2 currencies, one domestic and the other
international. The colored currency is for home use, the old stuff
international.
It can be "X" or it can also be "Y".
Listen, my time with you is almost at an end. A part of me really do
not wish to go. But I fear I may have done some damage in this
timeline. Ofcourse, you will never know the changes that I might have
made. But I certainly will. It will be very interesting to see what
2039 will bring once I return.
(Edited by SpaceFold on 02-27-2006 17:40)
I would be surprised if you didn't do any "damage" in the timeline.... time ..it seems...to be a very touchy thing
quote: F1_error said:
quote:
SpaceFold said:
It can be "X" or it can also be "Y".
I don't get it. How can it be X and also be Y?
Hybrid... or the X and Y intersect
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How will we know the, so called, "imposters?"
O...and....You said before you came here you watched a documentary on the Olympics (winter games to be exact...)
quote: SpaceFold said:
As far as the Olympics are concerned, I do remember that simply because
2004 was the last year that the "Official" Olympics were held in
Greece. There were political issues with the men who ran the Olympics
and they all stepped down between 2004 and 2006. America held the
"Winter Games" without Italy and a few other countries. The reason I
know this is not because I can remember way back to that time, but the
fact that we're attempting to restore the Official games by 2040 and I
actually watched a documentary not too long before I left.
Any other Documentaries.... How Great INSANEdrive is... How Emperor tried to overthrow the world and lost because of killer pigeons...
Cause...as you said...you were "prepped" when you came into this time line... so does that mean then that you know what My Real name is.. The History of this forum, Brain Patterns... how one speaks... How and what to say when asked by an individual... and so fourth....
But Alas.... You are prob. just going to avoid my question... and not make attention to it... not much help I can say..... you work for your "Government" don't you... but wait... don't answer that.. I know the answer to that too.... but maybe you can enlighten....
You have had much time to do such.....
27 Posts in January [18-31](by my count)
6 posts (so far) in February [2-28] (By My Count)
You have ALL of March... and A little of April...
You may have more then one mission.... but (it seems) that you?re failing this one...
Edit: also... Look at the diffrence in amount of what is said in the months...
Jan-Very Talkitve
Feb.- There just so we know he is still here
******@******
"Some people think Inside the Box... Some people think Outside the Box... But I
Prefer.. to think out of my Mind" -INSANEdrive
You may have more then one mission.... but (it seems) that you?re failing this one...
Well, maybe he hasn't failed. But I'm with you, and I think this Spacey is a SLACKER.
quote: Zyprexa said:
I don't know how it can be both axis.
I've been pondering this, because I don't get it either. I'm thinking that maybe the divergence shows up in both axis. This would make some sense if you were to take an x-y-z grid and move it down to an x-y axis. But I've still got some issues about it showing up in both.
If there is X, Y, Z-axis to find the number of time lines then the problem becomes a calculus problem. We figured out there is a possibility of 41 distinct time lines though our old calculation. The actual number of distinct time line is 69 from a book that I no longer have or can find. So in all we did pretty well. Thus 2% divergence really can be small to have a distinct time line.
May is not the same as HAVE, but it's your mission.
Never the less, this was all fun while it lasted. I had hoped it would last until Mid-April, but even in the beginning I had doubts that our "TimeTraveler" would last that long.
Bye-bye SpaceFold, you've given us mush to think about and much fodder for the future.
I can't wait for the next "TimeTraveler", maybe it'll be VanDame.....
Space Fold you are stuck here until window for traveling come up since John Titor said there are windows. When the next person comes here don?t forget to recommend this site. Until that window come up say something.
Well, I am absolutely surprised at the response to SF. Vogonpoet, Docilebob, and Doc himself. If Spacefold is actually gone, then after reading the entire thread I am still highly skeptical of his future. I have heard talk of Titor more as of late and I could come to the assumption that SF, in a plea for attention decided to pretend to be a time traveler and sputter out information that Titor produced, while at the same time trying to discredit Titor. I guess it is his way of taking all of the spotlight.
Spacefold I really don't see why you came to this point in time and in all honesty if you were staying with your past-self it is likely that he knows you are him, and you compromised your "mission" by even meeting with him. Hell I dont know about anyone else here, but when i look at a picture of myself from 15 years ago, I still see a resemblance.
Im gonna start nit picking:
quote:
Well, again it's hard to remember certain things from 34 years ago. But the best I can remember about 2006 is the death of Ford.
Starting out, why would you just say "Ford"? Why bring up Ford? That just seemed really random and completely out of nowhere. On the day you posted that, the same week FMC had annouced it was going to restructure the company.
So it's amazing how anyone could make the same statement based on reports out that day.
Also
quote:More than one Ford had problems this year. You'll understand what I mean shortley.
Yeah, Gerald ford is in his 90s and not in great health. You arent saying anything that isnt already widely known.
Next,
quote:People having sex is dangerous, only because childbirth in our worldline is very detramental to the body. So if a woman gives birth to a thriving child, and the mother does not die, it is a very imprtant thing.
I dont remember a time when childbirth wasn't in some way detremintal to the woman's health. Women die from childbirth, it happens and I would honestly like to think that some how, the world hasnt plunged into another Darkage after WWIII and that the Library at Alexandria wasnt burned down by you crazy Jesus-freaks.
quote:
quote:
Zyprexa said:
SpaceFold or anyoneJohn Titor said in 1975 a spit in time lines occurred
with a two percent divergence between the two time lines.1. What was the
result or the first cause of this event?2. Why did such an event occur3.
How did it occur4. Was it global or just local to North American5. Was
it by design or by accident? ie) nuclear explosions.6. Was the event natural
or by design.
I am sorry, but I cannot answer that. That DOES pertain to my mission.
Amazing, although this may not give every detail of your "mission" You just fucked yourself over by acknowledging it.
I'v already given you way too much of my time Mr.Cage. If you are a time traveler, you have done more to hurt yourself than Titor could have ever done. It's foolish of you to think that only you will remember the events of the present. No wait, IT'S PRETENTIOUS of you to think you will be the only one to remember this. Some one here will remember and in 2039 will be looking for you, im sure. IF your name is Xavier Cage or not, there always means by which to find a person, just takes the right kind of person to do so.
I am interested in Time travel but I dont think you are the real deal. By dispersing information about future events you can help to make things better for not only yourself but the whole of the Earth. You said in one of your post it was nice to breathe clean air again, or that Chicago was in the shitter because of the radiation contamination, well by dispersing information, changes can occur to prevent that.
Also, do you want the deaths of 3 billion people and for the world to begin slugging it out with nuclear weapons? Your inaction is the, in my opinon, the worst atrocity to occur, even worse than the holocaust. The deaths of 3 billion people are on your shoulders, I hope that you cant sleep at night and the same goes for Titor.
That is of course if you are legit.
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By reading this you have just spent a second of your time
(maybe I'll figure it our later, it's early here.)
Answer:
We can only fit 25 timeline under the graph with 2% divergence. But from a book it stated that there are 69 time lines in existence. For this to happen the divergence must be smaller like 0.72 % divergence.
All of these timeline will be distinct.
Explain yourself. Why would the divergence have to be smaller if there are more time lines? Why can we only fit 25 into a graph? Isn't time infinite, so shouldn't you account for the graph to be infinite?
All timelines being distinct kind of goes without saying.
The graph from the website is basically a bell curve with each end of it touching the x-axis line. So anything to the extreme left or right will not exist. The central region is the only usable region. So at 2% divergence in which I converted it to equivalent space we can only stuff 25 to 41 vertical line in the bell curve area everything else does not exits. So the only way we can increase the number of vertical timeline under the cerve is to reduce the divergence or the spacing between time lines like to 1% or something. And that basically that. My basic problem now is to find that book that told the number of timeline of this world that said there was total of 69 time lines.
So the only way we can increase the number of vertical timeline under the cerve is to reduce the divergence or the spacing between time lines like to 1% or something.
Wouldn't time lines normally be "stacked" so you couldn't see them in a 2D plain (or to put it another way, one single line representing time)? And if you were to place that on a graph, wouldn't the "gaps" between the "stacks" be the divergence between the timelines?
Another thing to keep in mind, the graphs you are currently using, are not defined to act as graphs for time travel. But you should be able to use them to find more information, and possibly build a graph of your own.
I get what you are saying a vertical stack job in the Z-axis.
But the problem is how high and the graphs don't tell any more.
I was taking the 2% in the x-axis and ran out of space.
But if I took it in the x-y axis and followed the curve as it went
then I could easily get 69 time lines without doing calculation on
a flat z-axis. Then the 3-axis version would tern into:
Z*69 = timelines where Z is the height.
I was talking about a simple x-y graph, but it would still be the same in an x-y-z graph.
Don't forget time is a fourth dimension. Like A. Sphere passing through Flatland, B. Square would only perceive A. Sphere as a dot that grows to a large circle, and returns to a dot. In our time traveller terms, all time lines would only show as a line in either a 2D or a 3D graph. And divergence from time lines would show as a deviation from the line, or a "bubble" on the line. A divergence would not fork off from the line, because time = entropy and entropy/time is self-healing. So from our 2D (or 3D) perspective, our line would become two lines and later return to the line. From everything else you've said the basic parts will show in the information available, it's just a matter of putting all those pieces together. It shouldn't matter "how high", it more a matter of thinking towards a 4D graph. Probably something along the lines of a hyper-cube, which may be the only way we can think of a 4D graph in 3D terms.
I also don't think that the number of time lines (or even possibilites) is truly relevant. All your wanting to find is the current (or current to the data) divergence is, as it relates to us. None of the data I've seen thus far would allow for us to peek into another time line and use that to aid us in finding the "current" divergence factor.
Of course this could all be a moot point, as it sounds like Spacey has left the Asylum and may post no more. We might just have to wait for the next hitchhiker of time travel.
The divergence curve on the website we are investigating I could not match with an equation but I came up with another solution. Well the solution I used was a string in which I traced the graph with. Actually I used paper. Then I stretched out the string (paper) and found it was 21-24 long in the X-axis. Then I multiplied in the X divergence value 0.24 and found there are actually 87-100 vertical distinct timeline in existence. But there maybe timeline with a greater divergence thus the reduction of vertical time line. Basically the string lengthen got ride of the Y component and just left the X making the computation easier. I did not want to use calculus. F1 Error this is basically where I stop. The 4 and 5 dimension is way beyond which I can handle.
For the US is there going to be one international (non colored) and the other nationally (colored) as legal tender. Question. Is there going to be two currencies for the US in the future? Yes/No.
Will gold and silver as commodities go higher than they all ready are? (YES/NO)
Will there be stock market crash in the near future? (YES/NO)
Will oil prices continue to go up in the near future? (YES/NO)
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 03-13-2006 18:24
quote: SpaceFold said:
I am still here. But can no longer comment about my mission. I can answer yes or no questions but that is about it.
When Did You?.... You Have Told Practically Nothing About your Mission.. Except that You had One... and You Are Here To "CHANGE OUR WAYS"...
I?m also Very Surprised that , as One Who Travels Though time.... that You are (or at least seem to be) Surprised that Your Being Here In this time with Knowledge of the Future, ?Our Future?? That You have an Impact Here?No Matter How Hard You Try?. You Still are the Rock From the Sky? In the Time Stream? You are an Extra Ripple that Wasn?t there? But In same Since? You were there the entire time..
I Know nothing About time... well... At least To My Knowledge... But Even I Know... How Easily Time Is altered...
Seems To ME... That for someone in the Past... I (and Perhaps We) could Teach More To You.. Then you Us....
Why Do I Get A Feeling Of Fear.... I Wonder... What Is It You Have Done....That Is Causing You This ..Fear...
Actually Fear Might Not Be the Correct word... but...
Hmm...
Its A Pity You Won't Answer Some of My Questions that I Have asked in the Past.... But I wonder... If you could Change the Questions we Have Asked...Put them into a Yes No Format... and Then Answer them....
....And Then I Wonder More So....
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I don't Suffer From Insanity .... I enjoy every moment
Here another time traveler with a different future to indicate what will happen. The reason why it is different is did not come from John Titors time line that is why it is contradictory. He came from Canada and the dialog last for about 4 to 5 pages. At the end he basically stated the past and future are fixed where the future you are allowed to choose one of many out come but you have to choose and not create your own future. So it is debatable if free will exists or not.
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 03-13-2006 21:44
*TWICH*
Its All a Point of View... Its Like a Swirling vortex... of noting an doubt, fact and fiction... swirling in all but a ball of confusion... wondering why... Knowing How... in the emptiness of space...then there is time divine...the babbling stream, of which no one hears... but all are effected by its ripples... for each of the stone... for each that is alone... the effect becomes part of said such Point of View...
*TWICH*
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"There is no surer sign of insanity than trying the same thing repeatedly expecting different results."
-Albert Einstein
I'm not sure about bringing in YATT (yet another time traveler) the one we've got has been most unhelpful thus far.
Here is a yes/no question should Spacey decide to keep his end of the bargin.
Was WW]|[ used as a "tipping point" for other factions in the world to alter conditions prior to the start of WW]|[?
Will gold and silver as commodities go higher than they all ready are? (NO ANSWER)
Will there be stock market crash in the near future? (NO ANSWER)
Will oil prices continue to go up in the near future? (YES)
quote:F1_error said:
Was WW]|[ used as a "tipping point" for other factions in the world to alter conditions prior to the start of WW]|[?
NO
Well, either you don't know your own history, or you aren't really a time traveler. During every major event in this world, some faction or another has used it as a tipping point.
Case in point for our current time;
Look at Iraq. There are several groups vying for power and control. Using our invasion as a tipping point for there rise to power.
Case in point for SpaceFolds time;
Explain the fact that there are now FIVE presidents whom have limited power? If that isn't a prime example of a "tipping point" then I don't know what is.
Do we have free will or is it an illusion in which we choose outcome of possible stories?
Please take into account of your time traveler existence dealing with past present and future.(YES/NO)
Are there about 70 world lines in existence? (YES/NO)
Does our world line mirror yours? (YES/NO).
Is your time line ahead of ours in relation to the current now? (YES/NO).
Are we going to blindly follow your time line? (YES/NO)
How many timeline can we choose from an individual point of view;
would it be four from our current timeline? (YES/NO)
Do difference timeline have specific cultural difference with respect to ours? (YES/NO)
Face it INSANEdrive, SpaceFold is just a spacey kind of guy. Methinks they might have sent the wrong person. Someone a little more in touch with reality and not facinated with McDonalds might have been a better choice.
From: buttcrack of the midwest Insane since: Oct 2000
posted 03-21-2006 06:48
The scary thing is that he may be the one that`s closest to "in touch with reality" in his time.
The X gen could be the begining of an evoutionary whirlpool, dragging us down to the lowest possible average IQ and stil be able to feed ourselves. Hence his fast food fascination. Might not be anybody smart enough to work at McDonalds in the future.
~shivers~
Time to be nice to Space Fold. On the other site he goes to someone used a $%^%$& on him. Question:Can you travel into the future from your timeline of 2039?
Sure I can, if Spacey doesn't mind a hitchiker. Which would lend a shit-ton of credibility to him were Spacey to do such a thing.
It is getting to hard to get information out of Space Fold. He must be really scared of something. Time is running out. It is time for Space Fold to show his credibility. What he should do is take a camera go into the future 10 days. Recorder the headline of a newspaper even better take a picture. Return 10 days into the past and post it on our website. If this is too hard take F1_error on a trip with you and drop him off on the way when you go back into the future just like on Star Trek. F1_Error is game!
Yeah I'm up for that.
No recording devices, just me a pack of smokes, a zippo, and a pair of sunglasses for that bright special effects light at the end.
Or if you can't do that, I've got another idea....
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 03-24-2006 02:54
quote: Zyprexa said:
It is getting to hard to get information out of Space Fold. He must be really scared of something.
Interesting Deduction..... I wonder if thats why I asked ...
quote: INSANEdrive said:
Is there anything that you have done wile in our "timeline" that you regretYes No---------------I want to ask why you were sent to change...But even with out the Yes and No, You still Prob. wouldn't answer me.. Am I correctYes No--------------In Your "Known Time Line" ( Does The Known Part Worry You) Do You have KidsYes No (Yes No)---------------I would Like to say How Many and How Old... but anyway..-----------------
after He said...
quote: SpaceFold said:
I am sorry but I fear I may have compromised my mission.
and...
quote: SpaceFold said:
I am still here. But can no longer comment about my mission. I can answer yes or no questions but that is about it.
I just wonder what it is.... but than again... SpaceFold Knows this... ( Can anyone tell me how... The answer is very obvious....)
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There Is A Fine Line Between Genius and Insanity... I Have Erased this line
Common Space Fold. Can you please answer the question with yes/no answers. There is really not a lot of work and the questions have nothing to do with your mission. We are running out of time with you. Could you consider F1-Error going with you 10 days into the future and dropping him off they?re on route to 2039. F1 Error would just pass you his email; we don?t have to know anything until he comes back. So just for starters can you just please answer the question.
Have You Been Surprised by The Questions asked to you In the Other Forums?Yes/NoHave You Been Surprised by The Questions asked to you in This Forum?
No
Has This Trip in The Present ?Past" Been a Learning Experience For You?
Yes
Is There anything You will miss that is in this current timeline that isn't/wasn't in yours... wait.. Ya... Ponder...-------Are there any animals that are alive today... that are Extinct in 2036
YES
Is There Anything that Is (2006 wise) Considered Science Fiction... that Is Science Fact in Your Timeline (With the Exception of Time Travel)
Yes
When You Leave here... your going to have a (Perhaps Pre-Written) Last Statement Before you Leave...I?m I Right?
Yes
Are you Eager to Go back...er Forward..er... Home...Eager to go Back Home?
Yes/No
Will You Miss Me?
Yes
Will I Know you?
No
Does Halo 3 come Out in 2006?
Yes/No
Do Videogames Still Exist?
Yes
Is there Anything you want to Warn us About... that you Can't Tell Us Exactly?
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 04-07-2006 06:08
Something Tells Me that... the last time we will hear anything from Space fold that isn?t yes or no... Will be on the 15th...
But I can say this....
Does anything in "particular"... Happen this year (2006) somewhere in the months of June/July
Yes / No
Are things like ...
quote: MiNiature said:
I was hoping maybe he'd be willing to elaborate on that one.
... the reason you usually don't answer all questions?
Yes/ No
.
Do You Have a Wife and or Kids...
Yes/No
... O and Space Fold....
Ill Keep My eye Open For your Book... its a Pity you can't.. Well.. Won't Give the Name of the book...
But I?m Insane... Ill Find it
That Pretty Much is a Guarantee...
Because You Came Here for a reason.... weather it was fraud or fact...
Although I think in some ways.. You don't know why you were assigned here... but in other ways you do....
You just won?t say.....
Which is ..Fine I guess....
More fun for me.....
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"There is no surer sign of insanity than trying the same thing repeatedly expecting different results."
-Albert Einstein
He moved to this whole yes/no thing because he felt that he compromised his mission with giving more detailed answers. I'd love it if he were to elaborate more, or even answer ALL of the questions that have been asked thus far. But I just don't think he'll do it.
Personally I think he's a fraud, and if he were to give more detailed answers his story would fall apart. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong, but I just don't see it happening.
Wow, another time traveler. You cant swing a cat around by the tail without htting one in here.
I too, coincidentally, am a time traveler from the year 2042 and unfortunatly the world you left ends in a womhole accident at Los Alamos National labs, so sorry its toast. Luckily I was working on a precognition expreiment and bounced before the feces hit the impeller. I came back intially just to let John Titor know to that the gig was up and to see if he wanted to go do the Mardi Gras thing again...but hey, since you're here too hit me up on TransDimensionallMessenger? my nic is: Moaiz and we can go toss beads off balconies until this world too ends not with a bang but with a Hurricane and a drunk coed.
From: 2 steps away from a los angeles curb Insane since: Nov 2003
posted 04-10-2006 22:25
Huh?
C'mon Zyppy...
That can't be possible.
A mind at rest would cease to exist. Are you going to disappear coincidentally as Spacefraud also disappears into the oblivion he says is the future?
Tsk, tsk, as a supporting character in this farce shouldn't you meat a tragic end? Perhaps being sucked through a wormhole and ripped to pieces would work for the plot line. Then Spacefraud could travel back again to the beginning and make everything ok. Oh wait! "OK" doesn't sell...
Hmmm, perhaps there could be a catastrophic rip in the space-time continuum and you can help Spacefraud figure out the calculations needed to narrowly avoid a meltdown like in that movie about tha big ship that was turned into a floating invisibility experiment that created the mystery of the Bermuda triangle...
How come ships don't disappear there anymore?
Was it fixed?
Which reminds me, it's important to spay and neuter your pets, but what if humans were kept as pets on some desolate desert planet a million billion light years from her? Would it still be good to spay and neuter those pets?
Will we find out by April 15th...
Do human pets qualify us for the Earned Income Credit?
And, Who Is SHE!?
Why does SHE torment me!? What did I do to deserve this ongoing pain of unrequited love!?
I am thankful that Space Fold answers my question.
But the fact is that I don?t agree will all his answer.
1. I don?t believe we have free will. We all have to open one of many doors. What behind then determines our fate and that is why we don?t have free will.
2. From another source a book I read there are approximately 70 times line active in existence. I wish I could find the source but I can?t. Must because of my throw out sessions.
3. I also believe there reference time is ahead of ours thus our fate is what they create since we follow blindly there time line without free will.
4. I believe our culture are different than there?s; sexual conduct is different, they are more reserved.
Just because Space Fold don?t agree on everything doesn?t mean he is not a time traveler.
I do believe he is a time traveler. I am a bit unhappy we did not have more quality time with him but what we have is better than nothing.
Question 1
One last question is time linear or does it have gaps in it as we move down the time line.
Question 2
Is our individual existence is not perfectly in the present. Do we all exist slightly in the past let say out 3 hours?
F1_error all I am trying to do is squeeze every last question
out of my soul. Because once Space Fold is gone it all over.
F1_error, are you looking at the results that are coming in
from the other site. We could possibly take from that site
and past it in here so that the final archive is more complete.
I know you are skeptical and the communication where
sparse but you must admit a lot of interesting information
came out of it.
Once SpaceTwit is gone, another traveler will take his place sooner or later. You have dug through the archives at the other forums, haven't you?
There are many ways a time traveler could prove they are a time traveler. But so far the only one that has come the slightest bit close is Titor, and even he fell short. Time is a flexible object, and moves and twists within a higher geometry, so it's stands to reason that time travel is possible, and provable.
With any luck SpaceTwits final entry will be an excellent capstone to this story. By then it will be too late to prove anything, so the best we can hope for is good entertainment. I just wish that SpaceTwit had actually spent more time answering questions, instead of stuffing his face with McDonalds.
As for myself, I'm going to do some time traveling, and I won't return until Saturday night / Sunday morning. So good luck with the ending, I'll come back and check the aftermath.
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 04-13-2006 02:30
Zyprexa stop adding or in your Yes/No questions... even with an answer.. you aren?t getting as much if asked with out "or"
also
quote: Zyprexa said:
1. I don?t believe we have free will. We all have to open one of many doors. What behind then determines our fate and that is why we don?t have free will.
Self analyze that.. if you can...
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I will now as well say my take on this... so all shall know..
I?m Giving this the look of Noah?s ark...
What do I mean by this...? Simple really...
I think he?s crazy for building the boat... but Ill get on just in case...
And if I don't like the look of the clouds... I shall have a point of reference
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Hmmm... so many questions already asked... and yet so few answerd.... quite the pitty really....
Meh... So Shall linger in the N0w..
so Now for Questions...
(As of and up to "Your" time)
Will there be any more Space...Accidents/Catastrophes ( Man wise .. not of nature)?
Yes/No
Are we Off Earth yet? (Moon Base for example)
Yes/No
Will we ever have a Super Storm ( Kind of like seen in Discovery Channel)
Yes/No
Has Wireless Electricity been Invented/used yet?
Yes/No
Is there a Photo editing Program that can/ has the ability too create Pixels for an Image?
Yes/No
Does Photoshop still exist?
Yes/No
Is there any new kind of Music ? ( Big Band->Rock-> Jazz-> Rap ->Techno ->? )
Yes/No
Is the Environment Worse (Then Now)?
Yes/No
Is the Environment Better (Then Now)?
Yes/No
Have Aliens Been "Confirmed Yet?
Yes/No
Have We Found Atlantis Yet?
Yes/No
Is there anything from the year 2039 that you are looking forward too?
Yes/No
Are Holographic... er things that are Holographic in wide/Public use?
Yes/No
And Of Course I have to ask one question from the gamer in me...
In Halo 3... Will the Flood Come to Earth?
Yes/No
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So Many Questions... yes so little spoken...
My speech of and in Italics
quote:
Are we going to blindly follow your time line?
(That is why I am here)
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Aren't you going blindly into your time line as well
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quote:
If it is not working quite well will you come back and fix it.
(Only if I am allowed to, but you would never know if I did)
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Unless you did come back.... But Let me guess.. your not aloud to do that.. Correct
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quote:
Are you in communication with the future now?
No
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It be interesting to communicate in between the dimension of time...
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quote:
In the future, is our relationship with what we call "god" of any great importance or significance?
YES
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As to what as been seen... Don't Underestimate the power of faith.. and so .. Point of view
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....I wonder if I should reveal my thoughts before... or after... O well.. we will see
******@******
"Some people think Inside the Box... Some people think Outside the Box... But I
Prefer.. to think out of my Mind" -INSANEdrive
Free will does not exit even though we choose the door
we go into. The reason is we did not create the maze
we exist in it. The reason why I asked the time travelers
this question is that he has knowledge of the before and
after.
F1_error times running out. Ask your question or
forever hold your peace.
I do believe so far that space fold is telling the truth
as he see it. I do disagree with many of his answers.
I will not use ?or? in my sentences.
Question 9
Will the US traded deficit increase over 3 years?
Question 10
Will the US declare bankruptcy due to Bush?
Second thoughts, perhaps stop taking the Olanzapine, and instead of looking for "knowledge of the before and after" center yourself in the here and now.
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 04-14-2006 07:07
quote: WebShaman said:
quote:
INSANEdrive said:Have Aliens Been "Confirmed Yet?NO
Well, that confirms that he is a fake (either that, or he really doesn't know).WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.- Sophocles
Only if you want it too...
Now then...Someone Find The Code of Federal Regulations and Read Title 14, Section 1211
It May not of been formal announced yet ( which is what I meant in asking my question) but that certainly doesn?t mean that it hasn't.. in some way.. Been announced...
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Any who.. at the time of my Posting... it is 4/14/2006...
Spacefold... what time zone is your diff. of the 15th Going to be under....
Cause... If your going by this forums time you will be leaving today....
( and I take it you don't know much about Halo 3... Darn... O well... I know enough about it already.. I was just hoping I could of had another source to confirm it... which may of been why you said nothing...)
...It is a pity we couldn?t have a Live Conversation.. ( Like IRC or IM).... But I suppose that would of been too much...
The rest of My Questions... well most of the ones? I currently am thinking of.. Are a bit harder to go into yes no formst...
... Like...
What would happen if you revealed all the things from Your time to now?
If you could/had to choose to meet one person from one of the forums... who would it be(and why)?
Are there any GOOD things in your time that you can say....
Are there any good Books that you could recommended (Names)?
When you go though the "Tunnel/Rip of time"... what do you see?
If you ...er... Since you can travel... can you control time.. in some way...?
...and the list goes frekeen on...
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I don't Suffer From Insanity .... I enjoy every moment
I think SpaceFraud and Zyppy should report to the North Tower. I'm sure we could get to the bottom of this charade there. If not, at least I could retrieve the unmentionable periodical I lost there a while back while fending off the advances of Suho's Pet...
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 04-14-2006 17:21
quote: INSANEdrive said:
quote:
WebShaman said:quote:INSANEdrive said:Have Aliens Been "Confirmed Yet?NOWell, that confirms that he is a fake (either that, or he really doesn't know)
Only if you want it too...Now then...Someone Find The Code of Federal Regulations and Read Title 14, Section 1211 It May not of been formal announced yet ( which is what I meant in asking my question) but that certainly doesn?t mean that it hasn't.. in some way.. Been announced
quote: UnknownComic said:
Errr, hate to be the voice of reason but...http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/a/aliens.htmIllegal to contact aliens? I think not!I think SpaceFraud and Zyppy should report to the North Tower. I'm sure we could get to the bottom of this charade there. If not, at least I could retrieve the unmentionable periodical I lost there a while back while fending off the advances of Suho's Pet...______________Is This Thing On? Webbing; the stuff that sticks to your face.
Thank You...
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quote: WebShaman said:
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Only if you want it too...
Not true. I believe there are a few old threads kicking around here somewhere that sheds more life on this...Suffice it to say, I know that SF is a fake. Either that, or he really doesn't know.WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.- Sophocles
...My Words Are deeper then that... but whatever...
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"There is no surer sign of insanity than trying the same thing repeatedly expecting different results."
-Albert Einstein
Space Fold if you still have time could you
answer question 3 ? 10 if not don?t worry
about it.
Sorry to hear your mission was not entirely
successful. Maybe you could go down the
timeline a bit and fix it up there. And drop
in and chat with us since we are all still
here and never left.
Anyhow have a safe jury home to 2039.
You where a very interesting if not entertaining
person to talk with. Best regard.
Well my friends, I am sorry for putting you all through the YES/NO deal but it had to be done. Some of your questions were such that I could not answer them. If I had, I would have most certainly destroyed the very future I am preparing to return to.
If anyone was truly concerned, I have not failed my mission and as long as I am able to return to my worldline, then my mission will have been a success. I will miss SOME of the conversations we had, and probably not some others. But nevertheless, it was an amazing experience.
I hope that you have taken what I have said to heart and that you attempt to control what portions of your future you actually have control over.
Keep a close eye on what is happening with the U.N. and Iran. (You will be surprised to find out things about America's Past that Iran had a hand in) Oklahoma we just a precursor to what they can and will attempt with their capabilities. America is STRONG. It is even Stronger in 2039 and I do look forward to returning.
Yes it has been hard for me to see all of the McDonalds restaurants and not be able to have a BIG MAC but my body is accustomed to a more purified organic style of eating now. One bite and I'm history. (Literally)
But over all, it has been MY pleasure conversing with all of you.
I am off to return to 2039. I can't wait to see what has changed just from my involvement here in 2006 as I am now certain that my future will not be the way I remembered it.
May God Bless you all
Xavier Cage
(Long Live Nebraska!!!)
Anyone who comes after 1:30am 4/15/2006 CST claiming to be me is a LIAR
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 04-18-2006 21:04
*CREASED MINIACAL MUAHAHAHAHA Laugh...*
I have Analyzed this and other forums where He posted.. and on my such
Found Something Very? Very... intriguing ... some of which (err? for now One of which)...that I would like to post here...
quote: SpaceFold said:
Unfortunately flying cars never came about. At least not by 2039. In
fact there are not as many automobiles anymore after WWIII. We as a
people, travel in more productive means.
(Edited by SpaceFold on 01-18-2006 16:37)
This is What Ol' Spacey Said when asked about flying cars...but
When another Person in Another forum asked the question (It was during the yes no time)
You needed to troll other forums to find SpaceTwit conflicting and contradictory answers? He did a good job with that right here, no need to troll further. I just hope that our next visitor from the future can give us a better entertainment value than SpaceTwit did.
Although I did have loads of fun doing the whole pseudo-science thing with Zyprexa (whom I assume is also gone now).
From: Therapy Department 117 :Skining and Mods Insane since: Jan 2005
posted 04-19-2006 03:15
quote: F1_error said:
You needed to troll other forums to find SpaceTwit conflicting and contradictory answers? He did a good job with that right here, no need to troll further. I just hope that our next visitor from the future can give us a better entertainment value than SpaceTwit did. Although I did have loads of fun doing the whole pseudo-science thing with Zyprexa (whom I assume is also gone now).
No... I didn't NEED to...
I wanted to...Just for Fun ( and For a Lack of anything else to do at the time)
O and By the way.. Ol' Spacey Had an Email Account
Its Interesting... He Really Went Down with it...
His Password Reminder Question was...er Is ?Who Is Your Favorite Person In History?"
Meh... It was Fun While it lasted...
( I Found some other stuff as well.. but since no one here cares.. Heh? I won?t waste the space... and shall let this thread die)
-INSANEdrive
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There Is A Fine Line Between Genius and Insanity... I Have Erased this line
Personally I don't understand why he had a time limit in which to do things.
90 days... could easily be turned into a lifetime to complete what needed to be done, if you have a time machine.
John Titor wannabes are unfortunate.
Another time traveler sent an e-mail to Coast to Coast on Friday May 5, 2006.
Don?t know if is an email or from a chat room.
If someone knows where he is at we should invite him here to talk.
He gave a headline from a new paper 2029.
According to the traveler, in 2029 the price of a first class postage stamp is nearly $18, the lowest IRS tax rate is 75%, and voters in Florida are still having trouble with their voting machines. And the average weight is 250 pounds. Someone conceived naturally is considered a rare event.
Sorry - the whole thing fell apart for me the moment I read that a so-called scientist from the future seems to think that the frequency of electromagnetic waves (man-made or otherwise) has any bearing whatsoever on the "speed of like"...
Been doing research and found a time traveler writing
who has left last year. He has very similar rant like
John Titor but gives more meat with deadlines. Whether
his predictions are right or wrong depend on which
time line we choose.
From: 127 Halcyon Road, Marenia, Atlantis Insane since: Aug 2000
posted 05-16-2006 01:47
I must say I'm quite suprised that this went on as long as it did. I thought there would have been more of an exit on Spacey's part but I guess that would've 'ruined his mission'
I don't know... I think that the closing of the thread wouldn't be a bad idea. If I don't recieve any complains on it by the time I get home, close it I shall.
Leave it run. Zyprexa isn't hurting anything by posting other time travelers, and it means he's not starting new time travel threads. Lock this one and he might.
I don't know... I think that the closing of the thread wouldn't be a bad idea. If I don't recieve any complains on it by the time I get home, close it I shall.Justice 4 Pat Richard
Why on earth would you?
It may be a stupid and pointless thread...but with over 400 posts and still going, and no harm done to anyone, I can't fathom why you would even suggest closing it...
Oh my god... I can't believe you just bumped a thread that was nearly two and a half years old...
Then again, I suppose it's also possible that you just traveled into the future from May 2006, in which case... Welcome to the future! The world hasn't imploded yet! Woohoo!
Tyberius Prime
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers
From: Germany Insane since: Sep 2001
posted 10-20-2008 09:34
quote:
The world hasn't imploded yet!
Do you have reference?
I mean, my head feels like it did,
and the International Earth-Destruction Advisory Board does claim the world has
been destroyed as of "7:35:05am UTC on September 10, 2008,"...
...unless, of course, your exposure causes a genetic development that turns your colon into an organic time-travelling device; you travel into the future for advanced rejuvenation, live for a few hundred years, eventually end up in 2039 (suffering a small age-related psychotic episode, leaving you with no memory of ever having been WebShaman), and intrigued by archives of this site in your cerebral-interfaced musings at 'Ye Olde Internet Archive Library' (erased circa. 2040 for political reasons during the great scourge, explaining why you never came across it later/before) while trying to fill in some of the gaps in your memory, that you return to the recent past in order to relate your story, hoping that you can ultimately remember who you were.
From: The Happy Hunting Grounds... Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 12-02-2008 14:27
quote: Suho1004 said:
My point exactly! You're probably already a superhero and you don't even know it!For example, have you noticed your skin turning green when you get angry?___________________________Suho: www.liminality.org | Cell 270 | Sig Rotator | the Fellowship of Sup
No, but my bowels grumble
WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles
Aw, dammit - the following line seemed so obvious:
quote:Your in for a very big political change in 2008. The president that follows this one while be quite different from ANY of the presidents you have had in the history of the country.
...though I wonder if "you are" , "you're", and "your" are deliberately ambiguated in the future, or if this time traveller just suffers from common typographical confusions.
I wish I'd jumped on this thread during the three month window. I'd love to know if the next three decades herald the breakthrough proof that the universe is a hologram.
What hot a post is~~
The meaning of life, i think, lies in the process, both happiness and sadness included.
Personally, everything happened in our life has its value for your growth.
posted 01-18-2006 01:22
( IS IT T3h 117 WOOT 
but the technology to travel in time? 
Kind of like the Loch Ness and Big Foot Pics...
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