Preserved Topic: What do you all think?

Alone

[Edit : reduced the 'size' to a link...WebShaman]

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So what if I am clinicly insane, Does that mean I am a danger to what is known as socieity? Wait it does...

Regards,
Thaadeous Edward Ozone

[This message has been edited by WebShaman (edited 05-16-2003).]

I was thinking on making a Sandwich....

Iberic Jam maybe?

not sure what you are asking for... is this the opening page of a website? or do you
want comments on the image? ??

[edit- btw, a link to such a large image would be appreciated by those of us with
modems...

[This message has been edited by velvetrose (edited 05-16-2003).]

I don't think much.

Oh, and remember, since you've asked everyone's opinions, you're sure to get some responses you won't like.

Assuming the person in the photograph is you...
I for one, was planning on telling you that you seem quite the attentionwhore. You may think of yourself as standing out, but truth is, you're hardly the first who's tried this kind of style (both in clothing as in bad gothic statements) and you're not likely to be the last. I get somewhat bored by people telling others they're different, while they all try so desperately to stand out that they all look the same to me.

The image hasn't got much artistical merit. You got the 'alone' part down. The rest is an oversized, mostly white image with some canned effects and a standard, gothic, angsty line. Bravo.

You might retort to that that I'm a closedminded moron. If that's your opinion, ok. But this one is mine.

Hey, spread the wealth, wakky! A sandwich sounds good...what is iberic jam?

mahjqa :- calm down dude...the fact that u not having a good day..doesnt give u the right to let it out on everyone else



[This message has been edited by binary (edited 05-16-2003).]

^^

I wasn't aware that I am having a bad day...or did you mean someone else?

Okay. To compensate; some things I think that could be improved you your image;

The photo itself could use a little more contrast. an easy way to fix this would be the levels dialog, click [image>adjust>levels] or press CTRL-L. move the black triangle to the right and the white triangle to the left to make your photograph a bit clearer. to do things simply, click on the black eyedropper, and click on a black part in your image. this will then turn into 100% black. Same goes for white. For even better results, read the Curves tutorial by steve, at the Guru's network.

Also, if this image is for web use, it could do with a litle resizing. No vital details will be lost, and if you still want the picture of yourself to be big, you'll need to do something with the white space around the picture.

And for some personal things; try to be yourself instead of some artificial image.

Oh, I'm not having a bad day... I'm just pulling a Milker here.



[This message has been edited by mahjqa (edited 05-16-2003).]

Can I spread that Milker on my sandwich?

Iberic Jam = "Jamón Serrano"
Dunno in english....

Edit: Could be Ham instead of Jam???



[This message has been edited by Wakkos (edited 05-16-2003).]

Iberic Ham??

Does it taste like chicken? Give me some!!

I think a sandwich would be good. Some nice cheese would be nice too

binary: What gave you the impression mahjqa wasn't calm - his comments are spot on (I was going to make similar ones just not as well as he did).

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Emperor:- the mahjqa who posted the first post is not the same mahjqa who posted the second.

NURSE!!!!!!!!!

alight first Wakkos is Jeni and now we have two mahqja's. Wooo! This is a C R A Z Y place. I think I might have one of those sadwiches too, some cheese. hmmm . . . stone wheat crackers . . . Anyone have a bottle opener for my beer?

eigh, Dr.TEOzone, you may get better response in the Photography forum. But keep this thread open, I'm hungry

Later,

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Thaadeous is a she?

ummmmm why do i get that feeling that Dr T E Ozone is not ......liked much?
Oh wait sorry...... its just your natural selfs. sorry my mistake

personally I'm still waiting to hear what it is that DTE wants, and what the intention of the image is. Then we can discuss it's merits (or lack thereof).

Mahjqa certainly did not say anything out of reason, and was not particularly harsh. A little coarse? Sure. But like he said - dte asked what we thought...

And now I'm getting hungry....

binary; I'm the same mahjqa as I've always been. Most of the time, if not always, my comments are helpful, describing minutely what's wrong and how to fix it. The second post would be a perfect example of that. Sometimes I just feel the need to state my personal opinion. What I referred to as 'pulling a Milker' is a post written in the style of the (in)famous Mikey Milker, a person who didn't (and doesn't) give a fuck about what anyone thought of him, and just posted his blunt opinion. It just happens to me that most of the time I keep my opinions to myself, that's why you don't see me often on the philosophy forums.

So, that's why the posts seemed to be written by different persons.



[This message has been edited by mahjqa (edited 05-16-2003).]

Yeah mikey was the house bastard.... a bad one but ours hehe.
Now lets take a look at the picture.
<edit> And i have no comments whatsoever </edit>

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[This message has been edited by Rinswind 2th (edited 05-16-2003).]

A funny thing about the Goth culture (at least here in Norway) is that everyone is supposed to be special and unqiue, but they have to be special and unique just like all the other Goths. If you are special in a different way, yet still within the limits of what most non-Goths would call Goth, you're not 'a real Goth'

A Sandwich sounds nice. Got anyone left?

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[This message has been edited by Veneficuz (edited 05-16-2003).]

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ummmmm why do i get that feeling that Dr T E Ozone is not ......liked much?
Oh wait sorry...... its just your natural selfs. sorry my mistake

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Because DTE hasn't asked a question that makes answering with any intelligence feasible. Not to mention that they/she is using the namesake of the one and only 'Doc Ozone' within his own creation, to boot. Beyond that, if there was some more direction as to the information that DTE was looking for things might not seem so harsh because we would be able to offer some actual review. As far as it's first blush goes... I like. For a web page application it is an awfully HUGE graphic.

And insulting an entire community of people isn't likely to improve your station in life. At the best it will only make us think less of you.

GrythusDraconis
"I'm sick of hearing that beauty is only skin-deep. That's deep enough. Who wants an adorable pancreas?" - Unknown

i dont have a sandwich but here have a cookie

Frankly I dont care if Im liked, Im not here to be liked, and I dont really care for some of the people here either... The link to the image is below:
http://images.deviantart.com/large/wallpaper/wfemale/Standing_Out.jpg


BTW you idiotic morons, It ISNT ME in the damn picture, I was just depressed, Came across a stock photo and wanted to do something... I like it... You may not... It is suppose to potray emotions. Now if you can not comprehend this perfect logic, Then do me a favor, Die... Thanks!

[edit]: Oh and one more thing, If you could not understand by the simple subject line: "What do you all think?", step back and shut up... It was put up for review, I wanted to see everyones thoughts about the IMAGE IN GENERAL, not SANDWICHES! ;mumbles; dumbasses

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So what if I am clinicly insane, Does that mean I am a danger to what is known as socieity? Wait it does...

Regards,
Thaadeous Edward Ozone

[This message has been edited by Dr T E Ozone (edited 05-16-2003).]

"What do you all think?"

Who does your hair? and where did you get those heart thingys under your eyes?

Oh, gee, I guess you told us

You certainly won't get anywhere with this childish bullshit. If you wanted something specifc, then you need to state that when you post image in the first place.

It is natural to assume, in such an image, the subject is yourself. With such a personal image, it would also be wise to point out when you post the image, that it is not you.

When you make vague posts with vague subject matter, guess what - you;re going to get vague responses! And guess what else - just because you post a topic, doesn't mean people are going to stick to it. That's just something you need to accept and deal with.

And finally, you got some reveiws on the image - now go and do something with the informative advice that you've received

=)

I think it's too cloudy and not sharp enough. Also, IMHO, the font doesn't go well with the photo. If it's a stock photo as you say then I'm not sure what you are wanting to hear. A comment on someone elses photography? Anyway, that about sums up my thoughts of it.

Cheap photo: Not Yours

Cheap Bevels: Layer Styles

Cheap Font: Bad Cursive Not Conducive

Cheap Sats: Glamour Photo Pastels

What do I think? I think you're swinging without a bat.
Hopefully you become a better creator than you are a conversationalist. Your skills lack, and your attitude sucks.

Other than that..I think you're just a kid. Too bad the piece doesn't even merit that level.

It's a good point - if that's just a stock photo then what is there to the image? A bevel, some text and a line. I think that I've seen far better and more talented portrayals of depression.
[edit]Beaten to those points by DG. The conversation seems just as bad as the photoshopping. And since when was Gothicism about being depressed anyway?[/edit]


[This message has been edited by quisja (edited 05-17-2003).]

While I welcome imput, It seems that you people are just slightly too focused upon yourselves to see the emotion behind it, A real pity... Aside from a lot of you being total and utter idiots, and emotionless bastards, I like the idea behind the image... I think its a wonderful creation.. Hell with all of you..

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So what if I am clinicly insane, Does that mean I am a danger to what is known as socieity? Wait it does...

Regards,
Thaadeous Edward Ozone

That's nice =)

Dr TEO:

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Aside from a lot of you being total and utter idiots, and emotionless bastards, I like the idea behind the image... I think its a wonderful creation.. Hell with all of you..

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If that is the way you feel then:

1. Why did you ask in the first place?

2. Why are you still here?

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".. It is suppose to potray emotions."
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And just what emotion is this very large, slightly washed out image of a bored little girl supposed to inspire?

Now the talk about sandwiches, on the other hand..... man does that make me hungry! And I just finished a sandwich. "Please Sir... May I have another?"

Quote: "Aside from a lot of you being total and utter idiots, and emotionless bastards"

You might want to consider revamping this snetence and perhaps re-evaluate your attitude!!!

Looked at the image this morning ... nice photo and that is it for me. Did it evoke emotions - nope. Graphically - bevels and so on have been mentioned before.

I don't even know why I am posting this now - guess people like you just simply "piss me off"

sib

goth? nah, she has a punk hairdo and jewelry and she has a pink skirt! the kids here who went through a goth stage (about 10 years ago) wore all black, too many piercings and longer hair... er, maybe it's the difference in location?

you want my oppinion?...it sucks
very cheap design...thats about it

Not sure why I'm bothering to say this, but... the Ozone Asylum is a technical forum for graphic designers and web authors. It's easy to say that art has no rules, but that doesn't mean that everything is art. Our most respected members (and most of the people who have bashed you are among our most respected members) have that respect for a reason: they understand what makes good art good, and bad art bad.

If you choose to ignore them, you're sending the following message: "I don't care if my work is good or not."

And if you a) don't believe my words, or b) don't care about them, then honestly: leave and never return. If we're assholes, it's because we believe that tough love is better than mushy indifference. (Look at any DeviantArt comments section ever for an example of the latter. If you want "good job, like the colors," then you're at the wrong forum.)

And if we talk about sandwiches, it's because you haven't provided a compelling reason for the thread... one of my personal favorites is hard cheddar, chicken salad, and alfalfa sprouts on rye.

hehe...

I dont mind this crowd at all. I think that if you ask a question and get answers (regardless of how blunt they may be), then you got what you wanted. Suck it up and LISTEN to the advice. Take what you can from it, and be better at what you do.

Make some lemonade for crying out loud.


And am I too late to get a sandwich...?

Mmm...sandwiches and lemonade!

We got a picnic goin here!

And, DTE -- a bevel and a drop shadow? What's there to evaluate? Additionally, you might want to post in the correct forum next time.

Now that I realize that is not you...

I still really want to know who does her hair and where she got those heart thingys under her eyes.

. . : slicePuzzle

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While I welcome imput, It seems that you people are just slightly too focused upon yourselves to see the emotion behind it, A real pity... Aside from a lot of you being total and utter idiots, and emotionless bastards, I like the idea behind the image... I think its a wonderful creation.. Hell with all of you..

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In other words "what fo you think" translates directly into "tell me it's good or stay out of the discussion" ...

Frankly, like so many others here, I spent years learning to use photoshop, and still don't have the nerve to offer any of my creations as "what do you think" items BECAUSE I'M NOT GOOD ENOUGH OF AN ARTIST ... nor am I egocentric enough to waste peoples time, and insult their intelligence by expecting them to compliment my work ...

However, since you insist on an artistic, rather than a technical, evaluation, I showed your offering to my two, very own, personal, professional artists (both my wife and my daughter are working artists/photographers, who are exhibiting regularly, selling well and seriously in-demand) ... Here are a selection of the more palatable of their responses.

Flat ...
Meaningless ...
Pointless ...
So What ...
Immature ....
Facile ...
Why did you waste my time showing that to me ...

So I tried to explain that I wanted an serious artistic critique ... to which the both replied ... "of what?".



Bug-free software only exisits in two places
A programmer's mind and a salesman's lips

Its nothing special and nothing that coudlnt be created by an Infant who knew where the filter styles where in 5 minutes


the emotions it porrays to me is im boring, and bland and dull.. and I like white..

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Aside from a lot of you being total and utter idiots, and emotionless bastards, I like the idea behind the image... I think its a wonderful creation.. Hell with all of you..

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Why did you want our opinions, then? Do you get a rise out of asking people what they think and then telling them to f*@k off when their words aren't what you wanted to be told?

Maybe you should consider this before someone's opinion so cruelly wounds you, oh glorious twat!

[edit] Sorry if this is offensive. [/edit]

alright already.. put out the torches..
the sandwiches and lemonade are over there with wakkos..

I hate it when someone ask what you think and if it's not what they want to hear then you suck and have no clue. What a dipshit. Oh well, it's about time for a new troll to grace us with their presence and I guess that's you ~shrug~

Why not make something in PS or take some photos THEN post and get some opinions. That's what the Zone is about. Not others work and then if someone sees flaws and offeres advice that would lead to a better end result you get pissed. You won't find better graphics people that what roams the halls here. So let them be your friends or enemies. The choice is yours

Grow up maybe ?

My opinion of the image not withstanding, I disagree with this statement by Perfect Thunder...

"Our most respected members (and most of the people who have bashed you are among our most respected members) have that respect for a reason: they understand what makes good art good, and bad art bad."

You cannot define good art vs. bad art. Good and bad are opinions, not markers. The most respected people here are not respected because they can set a standard definition for what must be liked and what must be disliked., they are respected for their work and their help, not their opinions.

That said, T.E.O. - you asked for opinions and got them. You may disagree with them, but that's no reason to begin trash talking, just because you didn't get the applause you felt you deserved. If you think it's fine the way it is, by all means, ignore our criticisms. You never know though, somebody might make a comment that might influence you to look at it a different way and see something that could improve it. Getting angry because we don't agree with your opinion, well, that just gets us defensive, and makes it less likely people will be willing to critique your work in the future. Yes, some people here lack tact, and will critique your work without providing any beneficial suggestions for how to improve it. You just gotta ignore them, and take the bad with the good.

As for your image - I have no problem with someone using stock photos. We can't all have our own cameras and such. The bevel though, is rather cheesey, and doesn't add much to the image. The text doesn't really create any emotional ties to the girl for me, because she does not look alone or even sad. There's far too much white space for such a large image, and I don't understand why you clipped off the bottom left of the photo. So, there's my criticism. Suggestions: maybe if you had a very very very light, almost watermark light image of just the girl superimposed on the left... zoomed in some, maybe on her eyes or face. Also, do something with the text. Black on white... it doesn't express much to me. Now, white on black, or a different color on black, that would give me more of a feeling of a void, emptiness. I can't think of much else right now. It definitely needs work, in my opinion, but you go ahead and ignore that if you disagree. Just don't get angry.

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It seems that you people are just slightly too focused upon yourselves to see the emotion behind it

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Exactly what emotion is there to be portrayed by a photo of a bored looking girl..."I'm bored"?

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I like the idea behind the image... I think its a wonderful creation...

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And in that my friend, you are truly in a party of one...

Everything else has already been said by other people, and I abhore repeating others comments in the same thread in the same context.


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The girl in the photo actually looks pretty happy to me, not alone.... try being original and learning more photoshop.... photoshop and art are a trial and error combination... you'll get it eventually, but this isn't it... she's not lonely, she's not sad, she can't represent someone who is... go back, attempt again, learn more and come back and post it in the PHOTOSHOP forum

Waanh...waanh...oh yeah and WAANH. You done whining now DTE. You want me to get you a bottle? Maybe change your diaper? Stop acting like a big baby. You asked for it and you got it. Sorry people didn't box it up with a little pink ribbon.

Here, I'll critique the emotion of that photo:

1) No emotion in her face. Just be cause she's not smiling doesn't mean she's depressed. she actually looks like she's doing that: "Just take the damn picture" non-smile

2) The lighting is dull, no sense of any kind of drama or emotional hook. Judging by the way the wall behind her is blown out I'd guess this was shot in the shade on an overcast day.

3) It has no point of reference. If she is depressed, then about what? Her make-up?

4) There is no moment. Its basically a posed shot.

Sorry to break it to you DTE, but the photo you are channeling all this emotion into is probably somebodies snapshot of their little goth girlfriend(who was trying to look all serious/vogue) with a cheap point-and-shoot or disposable camera(the softness shi spoke about earlier-cheap lens).

BTW What is up with using Docs name? Nothing says "I am not creative" then using someone elses handle.


-tiki, cell 478

OK, I am no big artist or anything but I will give you an honest opinion since the name of the topic is "What do you all think?"

1. It's too wide. If this is something that is to be displayed on the computer screne, it's too big. Even on my 1280 x 1024 res, I have to scroll
to see the entire pic. I don't like that.

2. The text being on one side and the picture on the other doesn't really work. Don't know what else to say there. The text itself, doesn't really
go with the "idea" or "emotion" does it? Nope.

3. The picture itself, it's not yours so I won't bother too much. It's really washed out though. May want to spend sometime working on it by itself if you plan on using it.

4. For this kind of subject matter, the ferns in the background really suck. It clashes with the subject.

5. The beveling and embossing of the pic makes it look REAL cheap. It looks like a pillow. Drop shadows are the same thing. Too cheap.

6. Why is the corner sepearted from the rest of the pic? It really makes no sense to me. Is that what is "standing out and alone" ? Not supposed to be is it? Isn't it supposed to be her emtions?

Now, I didn't have one good thing there to say. Bummer. Wish that I did. Now, if your attitude regarding critiques is going to continue this way, then I suggest that you either deal with it or find one of those "hoopy froody" websites where people will think your cool. You asked what we thought and people told you. Don't ask if you want to hear the truth, which is what you are going to hear. There are some great talent here in the halls of the Asylum but if you just go about it half assed then you are really missing out.

When I first came here I posted my first website and got FLAMMED! But, I took a step back and looked at what I had done and yes, they were right. It sucked. Sucked real bad. But I have taken their advice here and their help and used it. I think since then, my skills have improved greatly. And I have them and myself and no one else to thank for that.



Later,

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'Dr T E Ozone' (and everyone else who posted in this thread) i like to invite you for a little challenge

Go over to the Photoshop forum and post the original pic there.
Then try to make it look alone and bear in mind the comments people gave in here.
I too (not the biggest artist 'round here) will make a picture and try making her look alone.
Hopefully other people will join to. Then you watch take a good look at the pic you like most. And watch the things other people did. And to the other inmates i like to say: just show him what you meant, a picture is worth more than a thousand words.


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Why do you all people - now including me - waste time with such a bad tempered guy like this fake Ozone stupid something? This guy sucks. Take a look only at the few posts he or she has posted here. They mean nothing! This thread should be deleted to avoid more people to waste their time.

Holy shit, that looks like the girl I lost my virginity too.

I think she'd look a lot better after a bottle of vodka... or was it two bottles...

edit: Nothing beats Turkey, Hommus, Dutch smoked cheese and cracked black pepper on soy and lyn seed bread.

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You know, I had my very first hummus at a party last night.

And met a girl for whom I wouldn't mind regaining my virginity just so I could lose it again.

""What do you all think?", step back and shut up"

umm, yea ....

Instead of shutting up I'll give you a wee review despite of the ol' logic flaw.
Its a photo of ugly, bevel&emboss and a line of text. Is it like some kind of "modern art" ? I dont get it eitherway.
"Standing Out / And Alone" .. why not just write "Loser".

One thing I do like about it is it shows the foolishness of trying to stand out too much.

It just occurred to me that whenever someone reacts poorly to criticism, it usually turns into a "you asked for it, you got it" dogpile. Perhaps we should start an FAQ about "why is everyone so mean to me?" and refer people to that?

^^LOL ....Thats not a bad Idea

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Assuming the person in the photograph is you...

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No, I thought Dr.Ozone's a he.

Just take the criticism they give you itll make you a better artist in the end. try improving it so theyre comments are irrlevant instead of bitching about them/

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I miss Yannah's useful threads....

Happy new week, sandwich anyone?

I hope you don't care that I'm naked......

Hey DG! long time I don't see you!
please take a sandwidch!

One more thing: did you actually ask the permission of this girl to use the photograph? Maybe she doesn't want to be photoshopped at all.

Okay, this thread is going nowhere. Thread closed (by someone who can, please).

RN3

Sandwich while someone close it?

I'll take the sandwhich and close the thread too........

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