Just sending these sites to show how Christianized the World is becomming in regard to spirituality.
Though many of you are not Chrisitan, you have to see its a force that of its own that even without evangilization cannot be contained or conquered.
On another note:
Recently, though I was skeptical regarding out of body experinces, I have had one.. it was in the
dawn before waking up that I felt myself moving out of my body and felt my spirit next to myself. It was such
a weird feeling leaving my body. It was my spirit I know and I was not afraid. I felt peacefull with it.
I have been telling everybody about it since it was so real and profound.
When I told my friend of this experience she had one as well about 10 years ago. While she was
asleep with her husband, she felt herself get out of bed and could see herself leaving and saw herself
going. She looked back and saw herself asleep and then preceeded to leave but she was enveloped
in someones arms and she didn't experience real fear but could not look up at its face but saw feet
next to hers. She proceeded to go thur walls with this entity as if floating and then came back to her body in
bed... I do believe and she believes as well that it was her guardian angel who was
with her.
Also since then.. I have had visions where in the mist of conversations, I can see something happening without
control. It controls when it comes. One was while conversing with my friends and my kitchen bar
I saw 6 men in white as if they were naval outfits all looking the same and they were carrying a huge
mahogany coffin in unisence and they all had the same faces and were smiling. It was so weird and
then it was gone. The next one was as if I was in a crowded bus station and I was going towards some
one who looked very happy to see me as if he were there to meet me. I can still remember his face
features, and his stature and where he standing in front of a pole.
Another one I had I saw fire burining and a cross appeared in front of the flames. As I am having these
visions more often, my friend and I have contacted a person who is familiar and knowlegable in OBEs,
etc..We are suppose to meet he in regard to education about why...This person told my friend that we
are being sent these experiences for a reason and that by educating ourselves about them we
will strengthen our knowledge to understand why and what the visions mean. Sort of like an antenna,
when you position it better you will get a better connection. And this would require certain excersises
to fine tune ourselves in being receptive to other visions. It is just so weird.
May be topic for another thread but I was wondering if anyone as well could share if they have had one too.
You really have no train of thought, do you, jade?
And by the way, from your own link:
quote:About two percent of India's 1.1 billion people are Christians.
Yeah, I'd say the world is practically one big Bible study. Only 1,078,000,000 to go!
quote:78 percent of Americans believe guardian angels exist
One, America is not the world, as has been pointed out to you. Two, believing in guardian angels is no indication of Christian faith. There are millions who believe in "heaven" who have never considered themselves "Christian." Like angels, it's just a comforting thought they grew up with.
And you need to learn real fast that just because a lot of people believe something, that doesn't make it right or true.
It's not often that I disagree with you, Wes - and I have to admit, this is not one of those times.
Jade, it is amazing how many children actually believe (or have believed) in tooth fairies and Santa... the difference being that one day, when they were old and wise enough to figure it out anyway, somebody stopped pulling the wool over their eyes.
I read through most of this post, skimmed through the parts I've heard so many times before...
What's interesting is:
People tend to hurl themself with all their power against what they think is not correct according to their teachings, trying to rip it to shreds and remove every evidence of it ever existing.
Why? Only very few things can trigger such an emotional reaction. The most likely one seems to be fear.
Fear of being proven wrong, riddiculed because they've known something for so long and it turns out to
be utterly wrong.
Haven't you ever misunderstood something, and then long after realized what you knew was completely nonsense? I bet it made you extremely angry at first. You have been living your life in perfect harmony with what you knew until one day it was shattered, everything turned upside down and you had to reavaluate lots of your related knowledge.
We fear being wrong, which makes us believe what we have been taught even more until we know it to be true since we've found somehting supporting the belief. Until somebody finds the pillar holding it all up, and tips it over.
Here's where doubt comes in. If you doubt what you know, only believe it.
Belief is not knowledge.
Be careful when knowing what you believe.
Doubting beliefs doesn't hurt half as much as doubting knowledge.
Each and every religion in the world, in some way, says they know their beliefs to be true.
I say, it's still beliefs, thinking you know it doesn't make it more true!
People will only get irritated if a believer keeps repeating he knows his beliefs are true whey they themselves don't believe. If the believers were satisfied with believing, we'd not have half the troubles caused by religion today because they would be generally more accepted.
If you believe in x, it's fine by me as long as you don't say you know x to be true, for then you're automatically in conflict with other peoples beliefs and knowledge.
My point is:
Okay if you offer to put forward your beliefs and the related arguments, I have nothing against that, but there's a reason to why it's called belief in the first place.
Hmm, I think I lost my track somewhere, oh well... might as well stop talking and let someone else wear the cozy tight jacket with long arms and sit on the center chair...
Btw, go watch that episode of SouthPark, it does have a point, as has been noted before in this thread.
I dont mean to prop up a dead horse just to be beaten again, but I read my comments from a while back, and I a bit like a twit. Anyway, I just want to say Christianity is a cult. A Jewish Cult that beilieved that one paticular Jew was the son of their "god." Now how does that differ from any other messianic cult? And just because Christianity has been around for 2,000 years is not a bases for truth, Judiaism, Hinduism, Druidism, & plain ol Baalism has been around for longer.
But there is so much eveidence out there abt the world having been designed by a designer from a scientific perception...n..if truly have an open mind..i dont know y one would say there is no God..and if there is a God then Christ exists...which these then translates to Christians...
I truly blv pple argue just 4 the sake...and if we could see someones Heart ..there are only two options..Good or Evil...n most the people fall in the latter...
Who out there does something Evil and they r not away of it..can some define a clear consciousness 4 me
Everyone has a right 2 choose wat 2 blv.....But there is so much eveidence out there abt the world having been designed by a designer from a scientific perception...
I would be extremely interested in any such valid scientific information that you have. I have certainly not come across any in all of my searching. I have seen plenty of half-ass information based on pseudo-science and just plain ignorance of science.
But I have not seen any actual scientific evidence. Please do let us know what you see as real evidence.
quote: binary said:
n..if truly have an open mind..i dont know y one would say there is no God..
Because there is absolutely nothing to support the idea of there being a god, or gods.
Plain and simple.
Might we someday have some sort of evidence that there is? Perhaps. It is most highyl doubtful, but perhaps. When such a day comes, my opinion will change to reflect the evidence we have.
quote: binary said:
and if there is a God then Christ exists...
Well *that* is a huge and unexplainable leap in logic!!!
quote: binary said:
and if we could see someones Heart ..there are only two options..Good or Evil...
I couldn't disagree more strongly. The shades of grey are so much more pervasive than the black or white.
WebShaman and DL-44....so wat do you guys believe in....i would really like to hear you explain..things like..where did we come from...n dont give me that Big Bang theory...Darwins theory...coz we could also categorize them as cults too....
My only concern is that..if ur parents...were like lets say Muslims... or..Hindus ..dont u think this might have influnced ur faith...why do u blv in whatever u blv in...u might say its by choice..But is it really...
Assume a parent decides not to influece a child beliefs....and then the another does influence..do u think the first parent has given the child a choice..NO i dont think so becoz either the child turns out ..to be like WS and DL..who are members of the same cult
Sorry, I could have sworn you said you were talking about scientific information up above.
Darwin's "theory" has, in large part, been proven to be correct. Evolution happens. It can be observed, measured, and documented.
The big bang, while a somewhat less provable theory, has a great deal of scientific evidence to support it.
You mentioned in your previous post that there was scientific evidence for a designer. Your link offered none.
I won't take the time to go through all of the evidence for evolution, the big bang, or against 'intelligent design'. We've been through it over and over. These FAQ entries contain a lot of our previous conversations on the subject: http://www.ozoneasylum.com/27026 http://www.ozoneasylum.com/24877
By the way, binary, Carl Baugh is a certifiable nut. Even his fellow creation "scientists" believe he's a loon. They generally distance themselves fom him because he will persist in presenting "evidence" that has been effectively deemed irrelevant even by them. His so-called experiments never even use a control. I mean, really. Two of his most prized specimens are a rock that looks like a finger and a rock shaped like a boot. (If it looks like a finger, it must be a fossilized finger!)
I wish I had a transcript of some of his "lessons." No progression of logic, just a lengthy, rambling discourse full of jargon that leaps from subject to subject with no conclusions whatsoever. To anyone looking to justify their creation beliefs, I'm sure he sounds full of solid evidence, but to anyone actually trying to understand his point, he's just an old man in a porch swing.
Just for fun, here's the story I wrote on Baugh and his Creation Evidence Museum for Weird Texas:
quote: The Creation Evidence Museum By Wesley Treat
From the Book "Weird Texas"
(Not Reproducible Without Permission)
Tired of the establishment convincing your children of its distorted view of man's origin? Afraid a trip to the museum of science and history might irrevocably pollute their minds with Darwinism? Well, fear not, creationists. You have a choice!
Only an hour outside Fort Worth, right next door to Dinosaur Valley State Park and its blasphemous rock strata, the Creation Evidence Museum presents a godly alternative. Housed in a humble, tan trailer, it showcases the lifework of Rev. Dr. Carl Baugh, champion of "creation science."
Dr. Baugh ? who, incidentally, appears to have received his Ph.D. through a branch of his own unaccredited religious school ? has for years argued in favor of a Biblical model of the world's development. To support his case, he cites evidence of giant men who roamed the planet before the Flood, supposed experiments showing that eggs can't hatch outside Earth's magnetic field, and first-hand accounts of glow-in-the-dark pterodactyls flying over New Guinea. He opened the CEM in 1984 so that humanity may bear witness to his theories.
By way of videocassette, Dr. Baugh himself guides visitors through the museum, sharing his breakthrough artifacts: the iron cup encrusted in coal, the stone-encased hammer and the rock that looks amazingly like a fossilized human finger. The real ones aren't on display, of course; those are in safety deposit. But you can purchase replicas for $25.
Additionally, there's the famed Burdick Track, a 14-inch-long, cartoonish footprint preserved in stone, which supports Baugh's assertion that pre-Flood man grew to gargantuan size due to the oxygen-rich, high-pressure atmosphere.
He also presents a device in which he recreated such an environment for experimentation. In his antediluvian hyperbaric biosphere, he has subjected fruit flies and venomous snakes to increased atmospheric pressure, oxygen, carbon dioxide and electromagnetic radiation, which he says tripled the life of the flies and turned the serpents' poison non-toxic. The EM field, he says, also unexpectedly affected the fish in an adjacent aquarium, influencing their cellular mitosis and "cellular preservation."
A 62-foot version of the biosphere is under construction in a facility next door. Reportedly, Baugh at one time figured that if increased O2 were good, then O3 would be even better, and he planned to live in the tube and secure a physiological advantage for himself. Apparently, someone informed the doctor that breathing pure ozone would kill him and he abandoned the experiment. Similar tests are still planned for lesser creatures.
Baugh spends the rest of the tape explaining his version of a six-day genesis. Here, his sales pitch kicks into high gear with a well-rehearsed patter, articulating his theories with an almost poetic scientific idiom. He speaks of a geocentric stretching of the fabric of space and its resultant time dilation, and of a firmamental canopy of metallic hydrogen that previously assimilated short-wave radiation, kept the electromagnetic field charged and admitted long-wave spectral radiation, "bathing the globe with benefits."
It's all very convincing as long as you don't try to understand what he's talking about, like watching a commercial that extols its product for having chondroitin or retsin, while saving you the hassle of knowing what they do. By the end, you're ready to cry out, "How could I have been so blind?" until you realize you still have no idea what "polonium haloes" are nor the slightest notion what their presence in granite has to do with natural selection.
You may as well buy it, though, because, "In the evolutionary model, everything ends in despair," the good doctor concludes. "But!" he exclaims, "In the creation model, there is promise for hope."
Wes...why would go to such extremes trying to defame Carl....are you trying to fight something within U Carl and Wes..may actually be diffrent sides of the same coin..but its still one coin
So did the OzoneAsylum evolve.... or was there a Big Bang in cyberspace and whoolaaaa...there it was
DL-44:- I must say ...i have a feeling you..have done plenty of research on this issue...keep on searching....but you may be suprised the answers you looking for are right infront of you...
posted 05-09-2006 18:40
