I believe this hit at Christianity is disgusting. How could this be allowed to air.
Though they cannot insult ISLAM or Scientology. They hit Christians at their most Holy Week of the year.
1) to use the term persecution in this case is ludicrous.
There are real cases of religious persecution out there - you belittle them by claiming the same in silly cases like this.
2) You are obivously not very familiar with South Park. They have constantly ridiculed every possible group out there - religious or not - including muslims and scientologists.
They were barred from specific imagery in regard to islam on this particular episode. The scientology episode did air. They changed their mind on re-airing the episode.
3) How could it *not* be allowed to air? They are under no obligation to be sensitive to your feelings or beliefs. You are under no obligation to watch.
4) In what way is this a shot at christianity anyway?
I must admit I was a little dumbfounded to find a south-aprk episode to be the center of attention.
I'm sure the people being stabbed in their churches because of their religion would sympathize with the horrible persecution you are suffering at the hands of a latenight cartoon though
Yeah I was too DL but I'm having too much fun with this to let an opportunity to use a character pass. (I found the site through F1_error's website).
Co-incidentally your last link reminded me of the last time I went to midnight Mass a long while back. A fight broke out between opposing factions at the back of the church disrupting the service. There were broken bones but no stabbings. The opposing factions? Liverpool and Man United supporters, carrying on an argument that started off in a bar hours earlier.
Jade, I know this looks like I am totally disregarding your post, but I am not. Give to Caesar what is Caesars. Any belief I may have in a God in not at all affected by Comedy Central. If it was, I would be questioning my belief, not the script writers.
quote:Jade: I believe this hit at Christianity is disgusting. How could this be allowed to air.
You obviously did not watch the show or just totally missed the point of the show. I am guessing the former, which means you did not see the context in which the "offending" material was presented. There is always an underlying theme to South Park and it was not just some attempt to make a mockery of Christianity. IMO, this was one of the best South Park episodes ever because the main underlying theme was freedom of speech and the use of fear (terrorism) to undermine that freedom. Obviously you do not believe in this first amendment right. Instead, you want the government/network censors to protect you from things you have an intolerance toward. Well fuck that!
People like you need to stop with the righteous indignation/oversensitivity bullshit. That is one of the biggest problems with our society today. If you cannot handle living in a society where we have this freedom (somewhat), why not do us all a favor and bury your head in the sand as a gesture of protest?
*sigh*
You just do not get it.
The real issue is not that they had Jesus poop on Bush, but that they were not allowed to show Mohammed. That says a lot about the current hypocrisy of America. Land of the semi-free, home of the fearful pussies!
quote:DL: I'm sure the people being stabbed in their churches because of their religion would sympathize with the horrible persecution you are suffering at the hands of a latenight cartoon though
ROFL.
quote:Tao: The opposing factions? Liverpool and Man United supporters, carrying on an argument that started off in a bar hours earlier.
1. a. The action of persecuting or pursuing with enmity and malignity; esp. the infliction of death, torture, or penalties for adherence to a religious belief or an opinion as such, with a view to the repression or extirpation of it; the fact of being persecuted; an instance of this.
(emphasis mine)
You should be careful of the words you throw around...
I would also like to point out how important it is for you, jade, to watch the actual show you're complaining about. There was a context, believe it or not, to Jesus defecating. In the show, Muslims, in retaliation to the showing of an image of Mohammed on American television, broadcast a cartoon of Jesus and others defecating on one another. It was the Muslim characters' lame and purposely ridiculous "payback" at the American characters' showing an image of Mohammed. It quite effectively demonstrated how retarded the whole issue is. South Park did not just randomly show Jesus taking a dump. Again -- because I know you will have missed it the first time -- it was the Muslim characters broadcasting an unfunny cartoon in retaliation to the American characters broadcasting an image of Mohammed.
And I wholeheartedly agree that you have grossly misused the term "persecution." I'm getting sick and tired of hearing Christians complain that they're being repressed because somebody mocks them with a cartoon or because Target puts up a sign that says "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas." Consider yourselves incredibly blessed that you live in a country where you can choose your own religion and follow it without having to meet secretly in basements, fearing for your lives!
Ok.. I know I didn't spell the word right but I could not correct it after I saw it. The site would not let me change the title.
But the views represented here just proved my view on the insensitivty of persons who mock religion for a laugh. I know the extent of why it was presented in regard to free speech.. This mockery hurts many of its followers. Any kind of mockery and satire made towards religions means that or those persons have small minds and hearts.
From: Happy Hunting Grounds... Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 04-17-2006 15:44
quote:Any kind of mockery and satire made towards religions means that or those persons have small minds and hearts.
Actually, alot of it comes from getting Religion crammed down ones throats from said religious institutions. If they would stop doing such, and stop interefering with the lives of those who are not interested in their beliefs, then I think such mockery and satire would probably decline.
If religious instutitions and people want to believe in something, well that is fine.
I object to how those institutions and people attempt to force-feed the world their beliefs.
WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles
quote:object to how those institutions and people attempt to force-feed the world their beliefs
I think most of the free world has a freedom to accept whatever they want in regard to faiths. Religious creeds are not being forced on anyone.... last I checked. Though you have a right to object ...this quote doesn't apply to the free world.
I just believe for Christians who were in observance in the most holiest week of the year, it was just very bad humor. I will just pray that the South Park series may be taken off the air in the near future.
Jade, why is it you aren't satisfied with simply not watching the show? The more you harp on it, the more attention you bring them. They didn't break into your church service and interrupt the sermon. From what I can tell, you only heard about it after fact. Had you never heard it happened, you wouldn't have been affected in the least. Is your faith so fragile that hearing a secondhand report about someone making fun of your religion shakes you so badly?
If your faith were really strong, you'd shrug it off, knowing it doesn't change how you feel.
By the way, you can't revel in your freedom while trying to deny others theirs. Don't stand up for your freedom to worship God while insisting others shouldn't have the freedom to watch the television shows they want to watch. You can't have it both ways.
quote:Religious creeds are not being forced on anyone.... last I checked.
Out of curiosity, do you talk about your religion to your children ? do you talk to them about other religions ? in objective terms ? do you bring/did you brought them to church ? have you baptized them ? if so, was it with their concent ?
quote:I will just pray that the South Park series may be taken off the air in the near future.
quote:Out of curiosity, do you talk about your religion to your children ? do you talk to them about other religions ? in objective terms ? do you bring/did you brought them to church ? have you baptized them ? if so, was it with their concent ?
For sure... I do want to give my children the opportunity to save their souls. When they get older they can choose for themselves. what faith they want to die with.
In Norway,, what language do you speak? Are you going to teach your children that language as opposed to Russian? If your going to teach them the language you speak,.... why? Isn't it because they can communicate better in your country? Or maybe you may want to teach them your language when they are 18 that way your giving them the opportunity to choose for themselves what lanugage they may want to speak. See how silly your quote sounds. For me, teaching children about the christian God does no harm. They are given the opportunity to change and become athiest at any time in their lives.
Do you honestly think you do not force feed your religion to your children ? Warning, you might reconsider what you said in your third post.
FWIW, I speak English, slowly learn Norwegian, and have a crush for a Russian girl who speak fluently Norwegian and English and wants to learn French. So if ever I have some children with her, they gonna learn Norwegian and English plus some bits of French and Russian.
Anyway, I fail to see a relation between teaching language(s) to children and imposing them one religion.
From: The Land of one Headlight on. Insane since: May 2001
posted 04-17-2006 21:42
Jade: Would you please endeavor to upgrade the level or your analogies/arguments. You consistantly put forward notions that, being gentle, fall somewhere between infantile and juvenile.
Your analogies probably work with most of both groups but even amongst 'believers' I'm betting they're just shaking their heads with some, if not all your analogies.
Go talk to a priest... tell him what you say here.... see if he can give you a few ideas on upgrading.
Knowledge of a native language is secondary in relation to the communication of the soul to God.
No jive, Do I really have to upgrade if I don't want to?
Communication with God is very important for a child to learn at a very young age. To grow in
wisdom in the knowledge of God is primary in the life as a soul as Christ grew in wisdom of
things in scripture from his parents Mary and Joseph. Should they have told Jesus to learn
about life's principles in relation to good and evil by experience. Let him choose on his own
thru trial and error at 8 yrs. old. Should they have him seek a generic God that can apply to all souls?
They taught Jesus they ways of their faith not that he had to learn them since he was God in
the second person.
quote:jade said: This mockery hurts many of its followers. Any kind of mockery and satire made towards religions means that or those persons have small minds and hearts.
Jade, have you heard this, "Is nothing sacred?"
While I am inclined to agree with such a statement, I'd like to remind you of this countrys US constitution.
quote:Do I really have to upgrade if I don't want to?
No, Jade, you fully have the right to remain cretinous and unintelligible.
Once again, you demonstrate the majority of Christians' deliberate ignorance.
For the record, I believe in God. I pray. But I acknowledge everyone's freedom in this country to believe and do as they wish, so long as they hurt no one else. And I was taught when I was 4 years old that being called names doesn't hurt me.
Jade, go out and focus your energy on something that will actually help someone. And I don't mean just praying for them or convincing them to "give their life to Christ" or taking away a TV show they'll just go out and buy on DVD -- I mean go out and do something.
Wes.. I do lots ot stuff to make a difference.. I am in involved in breast cancer awarness, partook in immigration protest here recently, visit nursing homes to care for elderly, involved in ministries in my church, help food pantry for city. Collect goods for it also...and this is in addition to raising a family, attending to a large home and a full time job with high stress...I want no reward but I feel I never do enough for have enough time to do more.
Can we just live in a more harmonious world where people are more caring about other persons beliefs. Sometimes censorship can be a good thing.
And where does it end? Who decides what should and should not be censored? Should we censor all religious language because it may offend someone? Hardly. While I certainly don't enjoy being preached at, I don't deny someone their right to preach - and I have the right to not listen.
quote: jade said:
Can we just live in a more harmonious world where people are more caring about
other persons beliefs
Gosh, wouldn't that be nice? However, we don't. You need to pick your battles, jade. If you are going to do battle against persecution - do something to stand up for those Christians who are being killed in various parts of the world simply because of their belief.
If you are so concerned about your own religion being mocked - don't participate in the mockery of other religions. Halloween for example. Look into the history of pre-Christian Europe if you need further clarification.
From: Happy Hunting Grounds... Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 04-19-2006 01:01
quote:I object to how those institutions and people attempt to force-feed the world their beliefs
I think most of the free world has a freedom to accept whatever they want in regard to faiths. Religious creeds are not being forced on anyone.... last I checked. Though you have a right to object ...this quote doesn't apply to the free world.
I said attempt - I would like to see you upgrade your reading skills, please.
And yes, the major Xian faiths and institutions do attempt to force their view on others, irregardless of whether or not we are talking about the free world. I think the attempt to get ID into Science class is a good example of such. Good thing it failed miserably.
WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles
I am not retreating but I would say you complain too much about the Christian faith as if it sickens you.
Why ? Are you not a firm believer in persons doing what they want which is to practice freely any kind of creed they want? So what if they want to worship pigs, or goats or chickens for that matter. Why not pick on the Scientologist. Or the Mormans and the Jew?
From: Happy Hunting Grounds... Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 04-20-2006 14:21
quote:I would say you complain too much about the Christian faith as if it sickens you.
Jade, I believe you started this thread with the heading Christian presecutiion.
*looks up*
Yup.
Then I gave you a response to that.
And then YOU spouted off some nonsense, before actually reading what was posted.
And I responded to that.
Now, what does your comment have to do with the topic at hand?
Again, you sidestep the issue.
And to be honest, I don't complain about the Xian faith. I also never said that such sickens me. Wherever did you get such silly notions? I have stated that I used to be a Xian. However, I still do not see such being relevant to this topic.
And that which I have posted in this thread in no way, shape, or form constitutes complaining, or is showing that I am "sickened" by the Xian faith.
WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles
From: Out on the Sea of Madness... Insane since: Dec 2003
posted 04-24-2006 21:26
quote: jade said:
Why not pick on the Scientologist. Or the Mormans and the Jew?
So wait a minute... it's persecution if the Christians are targeted, but not if Scientologists, Mormons or Jews? And while I realize that you are directing this quote to WS specifically because you feel he picks on Christians unfairly or something, you are simply proving your own narrow-mindedness to me.
In re: the question about teaching your children about your faith as they are growing up. I don't particularly mind that so much (err... 12 years of Catholic schooling will do that to ya.. yeah) as long as the children are exposed to other faiths and religions and beliefs as a matter of course. Jade, you wrote:
quote: jade said:
For sure... I do want to give my children the opportunity to save their souls. When they get older they can choose for themselves. what faith they want to die with.
...
For me, teaching children about the christian God does no harm. They are given the opportunity to change and become athiest at any time in their lives.
Now I'm just guessing here, but looking over a few of your posts, I highly doubt you'd be fine with any of your kids choosing to be anything but the same faith you subscribe to when they grow up. Even if they chose a different flavor of faith, I have the feeling you wouldn't be happy until they were back in the fold of the saved where they can ascend to heaven upon the Rapture.
As for completely changing faiths? Can you honestly, HONESTLY say that you would be happy for your children if this happened, and would allow them to practice their new faith in peace? Be careful with your response here, because your biases are very obvious and very open. If you truly were as tolerant as your second quote would have people believe, then a cartoon wouldn't upset you and you wouldn't so wrong-mindedly call it "persecution."
posted 04-14-2006 19:47
was going to let that go, Tao
::cell::
I'll pray my 
