This is brilliant, Speak You're bRanes is one site that I make sure to have in my RSS feeds, it has some absolute classic quotes from the BBC's Have Your Say section.
However sometimes they get some brilliant outsiders come in like This one from a Christian Fundamentalists website. The mind boggles how people can be so ignorant, or is it just that they aren't very good at putting their point across and don't preview their posts?
That's very amusing - though not entirely surprising...
Of course, the argument that evolution violates the second law of thermodynamics is based upon a misunderstanding of the terms - one has absolutely nothing to do with the other!
Man, there is some really funny quotes on it! My work colleagues are looking at me funnily...
It is really hard to believe that they are real quotes...
Wow...I take that back!
Not all of them are funny
quote:ust recently my son Bobby came out to me. I had been worried for awhile. His teachers said most of his grades were slipping and he seemed depressed and withdrawn.
Bobby said he'd been hiding it for awhile because he was afraid I would reject him. I sat him down and told him that I loved him and that God loved him, but that his salvation was in danger if he did not resist his unnatural tempations. I told him how being gay would mean he would live a shorter life, and that if he couldnt change his orientation he could be celibate like most the ex-gays are. He started crying saying something along the lines of "I knew you wouldnt understand! You're just like everyone else!" before running to his room and slamming the door.
What did I do wrong? I dont want to lose my son, but I fear I already have. I talked it over with his therapist, who had the ludicrous idea that homosexuality was unchangable and that trying to repress could lead to lots of psychological damage (I've dropped him and will try to be finding another therapist with more moral beliefs). I wouldnt be surprised if he's the one who's feeding my son all the homosexual propaganda about how its 'ok' to be gay. That, or how homosexuality has engulfed the media, making it seem 'cool' and 'hip' and how they were just another oppressed minority. You didnt have to worry about seeing two men making out on tv at my age! I dont want to sound like a fanatic, but Im worried what other effects will come out of this increasingly secular, immoral society obsessed with filth.
Am I too late? Or is it possible to save my son
[Note: the boy eventually took his own life.]
Holy crap!
That is one fucked up individual - a religious nut that indirectly caused the suicide of his own son!
Oh hey! Artemis got quoted!
quote:You got it backwards.
Creationism is based upon science, reason and tons of evidence.
Evolution is based on the blind acceptance of superstitions and fairy tales.
WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles
Hang on, where does it say his son committed suicide?
Careful that kind of loose talk is how religions get started!
But seriously folks, I seem to have come across many many fuckwits recently and it's actually bringing me down, it doesn't matter if they're American, European or whatever, fuckwits are fuckwits and are a race unto themselves.
I love the article "Atheists as a Majority" in the top 100 list... it seems that my lack of a belief in God means I don't believe in the sanctity of life, in good moral choices, in protecting my health, or in tolerance of others and their beliefs (except open homosexual activities in a child's bedroom, of course).
Having a browse through, I just can't believe that these things were all sincerely expressed views. Surely, some of them are a joke..?
Please, someone tell me they're all just messing about...
I'm losing any remaining hope I had for humanity, here...
From: rooted on planet Mars, *I mean Earth* Insane since: May 2004
posted 01-20-2008 06:47
I have a question: do most Atheists truly believe there is no God, or do they not want God to exist? I ask this because I had a few lunches with a very outspoken atheist. It was a wonderful time, but after talking to me he revealed that he wasn't so much an atheist as an anti-theist. He didn't want there to be God. He didn't tell me why.
Is this the popular "atheist" belief, or do self-proclaimed atheists truly believe there is absolutely no God?
"For reason is a property of God's...moreover, there is nothing He does not wish to be investigated and understood by reason." ~Tertullian de paenitentia Carthaginian Historian 2nd century AD
From: Happy Hunting Grounds... Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 01-20-2008 12:16
Well, Gid, I cannot speak for everyone, of course.
But I tend to define things like this :
Hardcore Atheist - there is absolutely no gods.
Atheist/Agnostic - there is more than likely no gods, but there is a slight possibility that there could be one or more.
Believer - there is more than likely gods, but there is a slight possibility that there are none.
Hardcore Fundamentalist - there are gods without a shred of doubt.
Myself, I am in the Atheist/Agnostic camp. Logically, gods are right up there with Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. However, there is the slight chance that reality is not how we think it is, and as such, I allow for the chance that such does truly exist.
WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles
No - he probably thinks they're sub-human organ farms put here by God for the benefit of God-fearing people... I joke; seems that at least one fundamentalist (read, 'mentalist') is of this opinion in the top 100 list.
Gideon: I agree with WebShaman. There are different kinds of atheists much like there are different kinds of theists. Some are more tolerant than others and some believe in the possibility of the existence of a higher being/force/entity etc, some don't.
I don't believe in any kind of higher being or even in the distinct possibility of such a thing existing.
From: rooted on planet Mars, *I mean Earth* Insane since: May 2004
posted 01-31-2008 02:24
Thanks for the help! I hear different things from different people, and it's always nice to ask. My roommate gave me about the same answer as WS when I asked him.
So do you, WS, not believe in the existence of God because you have no proof? If so, I think it's awesome that you keep your mind open and you honestly look. I had to go through a time in my life where my belief in God was challenged (by a few people on here too, in fact), and I put a huge magnifying glass on it. That was probably the best time in my life, where I learned to make my beliefs my own.
I like your list, but could I maybe put an addition to it? My relationship to God really isn't so much as believer/deity, but more of a follower to a person. I had an experience about a week ago where I looked back on my life since the season (about 5 years ago) where I surrendered my self to follow God, and I saw instances where God took me through rough places to harden out my character, like the relationship I have been in for about a year. He also took me through instances where He used me for good, like the time I got a camp of teenagers to throw away their alcohol for a week during summer camp. It was a neat experience for me. Of course I see God as an omnipotent being, but I've also been discovering how personal He can actually be. Would you be willing to add that camp to your list?
Sorry to split up my post like this, but I have a question for Arthurio: why do you believe that there is absolutely no chance for there being a God? It is always fascinating for me to ask people on both sides of the debate why they have their strong convictions. I think some Christians who say there is no chance God doesn't exist say that because they are afraid God will get angry with them if they say He "isn't." Some of them because they have been seeing so much proof of His existence that they have a hard time thinking it is otherwise. Why do you believe there is absolutely no God?
From: Happy Hunting Grounds... Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 01-31-2008 10:08
I don't believe in God like I don't believe in the Toothfairy, in Santa Claus, in Jack Frost, etc.
Tell me, Gid, do you believe in the Toothfairy, Santa Claus, or Jack Frost?
I'm curious.
You believe in a being where there is no evidence supporting its existence, right?
If you do not believe in the Toothfairy, Santa Claus, or Jack Frost, then why do you believe in a specific ebing where there is no eviddence supporting its existence?
WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles
Sorry to butt-in again, but WS - that is almost word-for-word, the exact question I have posed countless times! I've never been given a satisfactory answer.
From: Happy Hunting Grounds... Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 01-31-2008 13:29
That is because the Religious do not have an answer that one would consider to be sane and reasonable to the question.
They will adamantly insist that their god exists, and deny adamantly in the same breath that the Toothfairy, Santa Claus, and Jack Frost are children fantasy beings, imaginary creatures made up to entertain children. What they do not accept is the LOGICAL path of reasoning here - that if no evidence exists for something, then it is as likely to be true as another that also does not have any evidence for the existence thereof.
In short, existance of a god (or gods) = existance of the Toothfairy, Santa Claus, and Jack Frost.
I will say this - I do allow for the very remote possiblility that the Toothfairy, Santa Claus, Jack Frost, or a god (or gods) exist. This is because there is no 100% certainty that reality is as we think it to be, scientifically.
The same goes for the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles
From: The Land of one Headlight on. Insane since: May 2001
posted 01-31-2008 16:37
Well this gave me a chuckle.
quote: Gideon said:
I think some Christians who say there is no chance God doesn't exist say that because they are afraid God will get angry with them if they say He "isn't."
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From: rooted on planet Mars, *I mean Earth* Insane since: May 2004
posted 02-06-2008 11:18
Sorry to hijack your funny thread guys. I just want to answer WS really quickly...
(I'm glad you got a laugh out of that Poi. :-) )
quote: WebShaman said:
I don't believe in God like I don't believe in the Toothfairy, in Santa Claus, in Jack Frost, etc.
Tell me, Gid, do you believe in the Toothfairy, Santa Claus, or Jack Frost?
I'm curious.
You believe in a being where there is no evidence supporting its existence, right?
Actually, I do not believe there is a toothfairy since I have seen no evidence for it. Santa Claus I do believe in, however I believe in the historic Saint Nicholas who lives in history books, not the north pole. I have no clue who Jack Frost is.
I think the Santa Claus question is interesting. I DO believe in Santa Claus, I just defined him a bit differently than most people do.
How do you define God?
Several people have asked me for evidence of God and I point to the rain. I take a breath and rest my case. Both of those things are evidence that God exists because that is a part of who He is. He brings the rain down, He gives us life. What kind of God do most people look for? I think it is the same thing as Santa Claus. Some figure, way up north, who gives you presents if you are good. That sound about right? Then you get older and are disappointed because you didn't get your presents. I don't believe a god like that exists, so I guess in that way I agree with you. But I have seen/heard/experienced evidence that the God of the Bible does exist. Just like I have evidence in my history book that Saint Nicholas existed.
quote:Several people have asked me for evidence of God and I point to the rain. I take a breath and rest my case. Both of those things are evidence that God exists because that is a part of who He is. He brings the rain down, He gives us life.
Seriously ? and you expect people to swallow that ?
From: Happy Hunting Grounds... Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 02-06-2008 11:57
Gid, there is NO scientifically-backed difference when comparing the equality of the existence of a god (or gods) and the Easter Bunny, the Toothfairy, Jack Frost, Santa Claus, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the Celestial Teacup, etc.
You may have beliefs to the contrary (and most probably do) - but those are just that, beliefs. There is no basis in FACT to support your claim (if you feel there is, then please post it so that we can independently verify it scientifically).
WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles
quote: Gideon said:
Several people have asked me for evidence of God and I point to the rain. I take a breath and rest my case. Both of those things are evidence that God exists because that is a part of who He is. He brings the rain down, He gives us life.
ROFL, I guess no one ever asked you a second question after that right? Or wait, are you saying that you think God _is_ physics?
I have often hear people say that God is everywhere and in everything etc. WHERE do you get that information??
Btw this is your God of the Bible:
quote:Ezekiel 6:1 (Whole Chapter)
[ Turn Israel into Wasteland ] Then the Word of God came to me: "Son of man, now turn and face the mountains of Israel and preach against them: 'O Mountains of Israel, listen to the Message of God, the Master. God, the Master, speaks to the mountains and hills, to the ravines and the valleys: I'm about to destroy your sacred god and goddess shrines. I'll level your altars, bust up your sun-god pillars, and kill your people as they bow down to your no-god idols. I'll stack the dead bodies of Israelites in front of your idols and then scatter your bones around your shrines. Every place where you've lived, the towns will be torn down and the pagan shrines demolished?altars busted up, idols smashed, all your custom-made sun-god pillars in ruins. Corpses everywhere you look! Then you'll know that I am God.
there is a celestial teacup ? Considering the indeniable existence of the Celestial Teapot, it sounds reasonable to assume there might be Celestial teacups and cookies. Or would it be space cookies ? That would explain a LOT of things.
WebShaman: who said the Celestial Teapot is full of hot hot hot tea ? It could very well be iced tea, or hot hot hot tea. It's all up to the Celestial Teapot.
From: rooted on planet Mars, *I mean Earth* Insane since: May 2004
posted 02-07-2008 07:19
To be honest WS, I don't know where people got half of the things you cite. I haven't had much contact with the tales of Jack Frost, the Easter Bunny, and the tooth fairy. I don't really know where they come from. However, I do know where Santa Claus comes from.
Santa Claus is a legend spawned from Saint Nicholas. Just as Santa Claus is something that our world has created from Saint Nicholas, I believe that our world has also created a view of God that isn't God. That is why most people claim there is no proof for His existence. Of course God is real, just like Saint Nicholas is real. You don't go looking for Saint Nicholas in the North Pole, and you don't go looking for God as some flippant gift giver who is there for our beckoning. God isn't yoked to us, He can do as He pleases. That sends chills up most people's spines. God is not in our control, we can't force Him into some sort of idea and force Him to prove it. God IS, and we can either acknowledge Him and live in that light...or not.
I don't really know if you can prove/disprove God with science. It is kinda a moot idea for me. It would be like me trying to prove/disprove you with the scientific method. I think that question goes more into the realm of philosophy than hard science, don't you?
From: rooted on planet Mars, *I mean Earth* Insane since: May 2004
posted 02-07-2008 07:29
Arthurio, I like the quote you found from Ezekiel. It really shows how God gets angry and violent towards sin. An attribute of God that most people (even Christians) don't want to see...and tend to shut out: His wrath.
But you still haven't answered my question. I'm really curious as to why you believe what you believe...
quote:Sorry to split up my post like this, but I have a question for Arthurio: why do you believe that there is absolutely no chance for there being a God? It is always fascinating for me to ask people on both sides of the debate why they have their strong convictions. I think some Christians who say there is no chance God doesn't exist say that because they are afraid God will get angry with them if they say He "isn't." Some of them because they have been seeing so much proof of His existence that they have a hard time thinking it is otherwise. Why do you believe there is absolutely no God?
OZONE Asylum
posted 01-18-2008 12:41
), and I put a huge magnifying glass on it. That was probably the best time in my life, where I learned to make my beliefs my own.
so how do you define Santa Claus ?
