Most people love blubbling alot of nothing....lets make this simple....
IF YOU ARE GAY COULD YOU PLEASE STANDUP
thats right i didnt think so....so why aint you Gay? please lets not be hypocrites....its good to argue but i think there some boudaries we shoudnt cross...am sure all of you deep down know being GAY is wrong
DL-44:- thats a lie..i have never seen a dog stick its dick in another males dog ass..
Lesbians....hmmm..i dont think this wrong..especially if i get to watch...by luck the batteries may run out...and thats where my tool would come in handy
Most people love blubbling alot of nothing....lets make this simple....IF YOU ARE GAY COULD YOU PLEASE STANDUPthats right i didnt think so....so why aint you Gay?
And you really feel confident assuming nobody here is gay?
You really are an ass, binary.
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please lets not be hypocrites....its good to argue but i think there some boudaries we shoudnt cross...am sure all of you deep down know being GAY is wrong
And as you can plainly see, that is definitely not the case.
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DL-44:- thats a lie..i have never seen a dog stick its dick in another males dog ass..
A lie? Check your facts buddy. It happens ALL the time.
quote:Lesbians....hmmm..i dont think this wrong..especially if i get to watch...by luck the batteries may run out...and thats where my tool would come in handy
So like a typical christian, its only wrong until you can somehow benefit...
Seems to me a threesome is rather against the biblically accepted sexual behavior.
quote:am sure all of you deep down know being GAY is wrong
hum, sorry but no.
quote:DL-44:- thats a lie..i have never seen a dog stick its dick in another males dog ass..
In which world do you live exactly ? I've seen dogs fucking each other plenty of time.
quote:Lesbians....hmmm..i dont think this wrong..especially if i get to watch...by luck the batteries may run out...and thats where my tool would come in handy
Isn't lust a deadly sin to those who believe in fai....... huh God and the malarkey ?
Romans 1:26-32 (NIV) but you choose whatever translation makes you happy
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.
29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,
30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Now I can't judge what other people do, but this one section of scripture tells me that Homosexuals deserve God's wrath... and if "I" approve of what they do.... I also deserve God's wrath
In my experience, Suho, such an outlook is by far the more typical. The fact that there are those of you who are not so typical doesn't alter that, unfortunately.
quote:Ms. Mollenkott: I would point out the context of it, the flow of it. Romans chapter 2, verse 1, says, "Therefore" ? now, "therefore," you know, in the English language means, "because of what I?ve just said, now I?m going to say something else on the basis of it," doesn?t it? That?s what it means. OK, so, "Therefore, who are you who judge, oh man," I?m quoting the King James [version], "because you who judge are guilty of the same." So what does Paul mean there? If really the entire Romans 1 is a condemnation of homosexuals, then Paul must be saying that anybody who judges homosexuals is homosexual.
Well, nobody really wants to take that interpretation, do they? So then we all have to admit that Romans 1 is not about homosexuals, that Romans 1 is about people who put themselves into the place of God, and that men with men and women with women was just one illustration that popped into Paul?s mind as somebody who really wasn?t a member of the Greek or Roman societies but who looked on from a distance and disapproved of them. And then he says, "OK, you who judge, you who put yourselves into the place of the seat of God and pass judgment on other people, you, too, then, are making an idol out of yourself, letting your own ego take the place of the Creator, who is the only one who is in a position to judge."
From: The Land of one Headlight on. Insane since: May 2001
posted 08-07-2006 14:23
quote:27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
The penalty it seems is to become a priest...and then be rewarded with a continuous supply of little boys.
quote:deserve God's wrath
lol... you are just too funny.
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Now I can't judge what other people do, but this one section of scripture tells me that Homosexuals deserve God's wrath... and if "I" approve of what they do.... I also deserve God's wrath
What I find funny/sad, is that once again we have a host of things being spoken about in this passage, and yet the only one to garner attention is the reference to homosexuality.
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You are an embarassment to the entire HUMAN race, to God, and to Jesus, and all that he stands for. I tried to not keep this personal but you have that knack of bringing out the worse in people with you views on this issue. You are so far off on this issue I dare say you don't use your brain correctly. Your disgust for gay people is based on nothing more than religious intolerance of others. Your soapbox is tainted with the tears of Jesus as he watches you from up high. The soul problem with this world starts with people like you.
I pity your soul
Goodness...I am sorry, Zynx. I just didnt realize how passionate some persons are about gay issues. Are you gay maybe.. or have friends or relatives who are?
I never said I was disgusted by persons who embrace the homosexual lifestyle, you all say that.. Because we see the nature of lifestyle as an lifestyle that affects all of us as a race we have a deep interest in the outcome of law on this issue. We don't sit back and claim "freedom". We dont' see it as an issue of the "violation of rights" either...in persuit of happiness. We see it as a moral issue of interest in the common good of all peoples.
Do you have the rights to grow marijuana in your back yard because it makes you happy to smoke weed? If you want to persue happiness by being able to grow marijuana, why don't you try to push that agenda? If you did try, how does your growing and smoking weed affect me as a person in the USofA?
You state I am so far off on this issue...but far off from where, or what or who.?? Is it your personal ideology or someone elses in references to gay issues? In the view of a homosexual person, we see the person as a creation of God. We are tolerant of the human person and try to see Christ in that person always, but as long as that person is living in an active homosexual lifestyle he does not reflect who Christ is or wants him or her to be...which is a Christ like human. And this has a lot to do with me as everyone I come across in that we all share the same creator. And they are a spiriutal part of who I am as a Chrisitan.. They are related to me spiritually. Christ preached tolerance for all peoples and we are called to love all regardless or their choice in how they decide to live sexually.. but when they are living contrary to the law of love, we cannot accept this part of them. I know there is far more to a person that his/her sex life, and I relate to them always. I have my issues as well and I am not perfect therefore I do not judge them....I am taught to serve in all things and I would like to serve them too and love them also. Though I may come accross as un-compassionate .. I am more compassionate that you can imagine.
Yes... I am in agreement with your statement.... I do pity my soul always...as I constantly fall short of the glory of God in my persuit of eternal happiness that is not of this world. The real issue here is how you view Christ and his teachings on morality, which we differ on. You see Christ as a loving God who would permit anything that makes you happy...so do it... Many Christians hide behide this kind of their own make shift Christ as a person.
Related earlier how the life of a homosexual is a very difficult life and wanted to show you some views I found in regard to mental and emotional and physical health. I find the AMA's study of the lifestyle would should you how difficult it is to be a homosexual in today's world. I would not wish this kind of treatment on anyone but the studies prove what I related.
Long read...
While I certainly respect that people feel strongly about being gay or straight personally I don't care one way or another. I choose my friends based on whether they act as decent humans that I want to be around.
Sexual orientation only comes into play if I want to take things beyond friendship.
As far as I know I'm straight (not that it really matters) but I can certainly understand that humans fall in love with other humans. Nothing strange about that. However, I also see that from a reproductive point of view, homosexuality is not natures preferred way.
As for what this thread was about then?
Should humans be allowed to marry humans?
Sure, why not If the church don't want it, fine, marry out of church then. Heck, people are marrying dogs... http://www.google.com/search?q=man+marries+dog
What's the problem with human vs human then?
Basically, do I believe that humans should have equal rights as they marries?
Hell YES!
It's probably better to keep religion in church, unfortunately I've yet to find a society run by religion that actually respects humans and works in a day-to-day basis.
Over & out /Dan
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quote: jade said:
I find the AMA's study of the lifestyle would should you how difficult it is to be a homosexual in today's world. I would not wish this kind of treatment on anyone but
That life as a homosexual in our society is difficult as quite obvious jade. But it is difficult precisely because of people like you! For crying out loud Jade, how difficult is *that* to understand??
There have been countless societies throughout human history where homosexuality has been tolerated, accepted, and even embraced. The romans, the greeks, the celts are all very large and notable examples, but there are endless numbers of others.
I will be sure to read the links you provided when I have more time later.
quote:the American Academy of Paediatrics states that ?the weight of evidence gathered during several decades using diverse samples and methodologies is persuasive in demonstrating that there is no systematic difference between gay and nongay parents in emotional health, parenting skills, and attitudes towards parenting. No data have pointed to any risk to children as a result of growing up in a family with one or more gay parents.
quote:Homosexuality is defined as the sexual and emotional attraction to members of the same sex, and has existed in most societies for as long as sexual beliefs and practices have been recorded.
quote:6. The AMA Position
6.1 The AMA believes that a doctor?s non-judgmental acknowledgment of a patient?s sexual orientation, gender identity and behaviour enhances clinical care.
6.2 The AMA reaffirms its belief in equity of access to health care for all Australians.
6.3 The AMA acknowledges that a doctor?s use of language that assumes an individual to be heterosexual makes it harder for a person to disclose their sexuality.
6.4 The AMA is supportive of interventions that prevent the development of homophobia, as this will improve the health of all Australians.
6.5 The AMA recognises medicine is a diverse profession and is supportive of equal opportunity policies, which stress that GLBTI people receive the same protection as others in areas such as recruitment, promotion, training, transfer, terms and conditions of service and dismissal.
6.6 The AMA is supportive of legislation that proscribes discrimination and provides legislative recognition of same-sex unions and families as this will lead to legal, societal, financial and healthcare equity within the community.
6.7 The AMA believes that medical education curriculum should include subjects addressing issues of sexuality and gender identity. This should include information on the coming out process, education regarding discrimination, health needs of GLBTI subgroups and information about referral networks. This should start in medical school and be a part of continuing medical education at all levels.
6.8 The AMA believes that acknowledgment of same-sex partners is important in medical decision making and that these partners should be afforded the same next of kin status as their heterosexual counterparts.
6.9 The AMA is supportive of research and education that addresses the specific health needs of the GLBTI population.
6.10 The AMA opposes the use of "reparative" or "conversion" therapy that is based upon the assumption that homosexuality is a mental disorder and that the patient should change his or her sexual orientation.
As far as this article supporting what you had to say before - it does not. Yes, there are some inreased probabilities of mental health related issues - primarliy as a result of people like you spewing the kind of hateful garbage as you have done here.
That is a far cry from homosexuals all being depressed alcoholics...
DL ...your site make me think the study of science apart from God means nothing to the soul.
You are showing me sites were homosexuality is recorded as a natural between animals, but we are not animals. We are set a apart as human rational beings,.... though some choose to , "act out their irrational self" its contrary to our "God given nature". Your trying to push, "since its ok for cats, dogs and sheep, etc... its ok for human beings too, so lets do it and do it in abundance.. You emulate what animals do..therefore your animal tendencies take over and are in charge. This makes the act of homosexual behavior seem all the more as irrational act. Your equating us humans with animals so you de-humanize beings. You do yourself and humanity an injustice.. You as a human being set apart from animals are more than that. And we have to relate to each other as humans. Some persons stress more energy of affection of love to their pets or animals in general instead of directing them to other human persons who are in need of love.. We, because we live in such a level of disorder, act out in disorder because of our fall. . Homosexual behavior is a disordered act. It serves no purpose other than gratify a sensual animalistic appetite like the cats and dogs who do follow their animal instinct with no responsibility whatsoever..But we have to be responsible to ourselves and our children. To proclaim a homosexual loving union as in a "traditional marriage" is a mockery to the institution of marriage of which no good can come of it. Its useless in its sexual nature as well. God did not make man to "gratify himself" but to gratify God thru his body. How can man gratify God by his homosexual nature?? He cannot. We are made for a better purpose. Though we have this tendency to sin we do not sin unless we act it out.
We are like a clock that runs on batteries. When the battery dies. The clock will not work. Though the parts are still good and are able,,, the clock cannot help us... After a new battery is put in ,it works perfect. In our lives because of the fall we are like the clock that doesn't work properly because of the disorder of the cosmos. We are made good and in the likeness of who God is so we are still able. If we accept the energy God sends its to reflect who God is. Homosexual behavior is part of the disorder of the cosmos. It comes to us as a false love of what God is. What is anti-God wants us to see homosexual love as a true love that come from God.. The love of God cannot be reflected between two same sex persons who try to imitate the love of God thru a committed loving marriage union. It can only come from a union which can co-create other human beings who are infused with a soul. Therefore ...to want to make this same sex marriage a lawful union can only bring more chaos in an already conflicted distorted cosmos. Its like God is saying" "Yeah, you want to act out in defiance against me....I will just bring more disorder and chaos...because you will it in your disobedience"
I wandered into this thread just out of boredom and after reading through I simply cannot believe that people like Jade exist.
If I get bored later on tonight I am going to search for some of her (with a name or handle like jade I am assuming it is a woman...) old threads and have a laugh.
DL's links regarding homosexuality in nature were in response, I believe, to binary's statement.
How about you address his responses to you regarding the AMA articles you linked to? Have a rational discussion for once instead of resorting to the irrelevant analogies you learned in Sunday school. Here's how it works: You make a point, someone else makes a counterpoint, you counter his counterpoint.
Now a couple of points I can't help but address:
quote:To proclaim a homosexual loving union as in a "traditional marriage" is a mockery to the institution of marriage of which no good can come of it.
No one is calling a homosexual union a "traditional" marriage, you stupid woman. The tradition has been to allow only a man and a woman to marry. Changing what is "traditional" is the whole freaking idea.
quote:The love of God cannot be reflected between two same sex persons who try to imitate the love of God thru a committed loving marriage union. It can only come from a union which can co-create other human beings who are infused with a soul.
Then we should obviously ban all infertile couples from marrying, as well. Their union can't co-create other human beings, so their union can't reflect the love of God. This is your own logic.
But to get back, once again, to the central issue: [b]Regardless of what you believe is God's will, homosexuals should have the freedom to make their own choices for themselves. You can't force all of society to live according to your personal convictions. Get that through your thick, inflated skull.[b]
Your trying to push, "since its ok for cats, dogs and sheep, etc... its ok for human beings too
I am pushing nothing whatsoever.
If you had bothered to read any of this thread, you'll see that the point was being argued, by people against homosexuality, that it is not natural and does not occur in the animal world. I was, in fact, called a 'liar' for stating that it happens.
Clearly it does.
However, as Wes said - how about acutally addressing the issues being brought to you rather than simply jumping from topic to topic and never addressing any of the issues?
I know after all this time, it is silly of me to even suggest that to you - you never have, so why start now?
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one point you made I need to address directly, Jade:
quote:Though we have this tendency to sin we do not sin unless we act it out.
Is this not a *direct* contradiction of the gospel accounts of Jesus' teaching?
quote:How about you address his responses to you regarding the AMA articles you linked to? Have a rational discussion for once instead of resorting to the irrelevant analogies you learned in Sunday school. Here's how it works: You make a point, someone else makes a counterpoint, you counter his counterpoint.
The AMA is not God....its an association of doctors...Are doctors Gods?...as they would like to think they are...Last I heard they were a group of doctors who vote on issues from findings and then set standards...it doesn't mean we are compelled to follow them if they go against our principles. Just because they do studies here and there their findings are not carrved in stone like our 10 commandments are...Plus they are not always in agreement with other studies..I sent a site that was a view by a doctor who did not agree with the AMA..so that is a flag....... Its pretty stupid to just follow the AMA principles and form your conscience by them.. They are just men. yeah its ok to be a homosexual because the AMA said so....
Ok. DL .that just makes sense... thinking one is an animal would make them act and think as one....ok...now I get the picture..if one thinks they are an animal...they cannont distinguish what it is to be human..they are confused so they rebell against their rational human nature..
The AMA is not God....its an association of doctors..
~sigh~
YOU linked to the article...YOU claimed it was a good source of information. I simply quoted it back to you.
quote: jade said:
now I get the picture..if one thinks they are an animal...they cannont distinguish what it is to be human..they are confused so they rebell against their rational human nature..
If you could, for even a moment, pretend to lay claim to being a "rational human", you might be able to work with that argument! As it is I'm doubled over from laughter at *you* talking about behavior that defies rationality...
Most people love blubbling alot of nothing....lets make this simple....
IF YOU ARE GAY COULD YOU PLEASE STANDUP
thats right i didnt think so....so why aint you Gay? please lets not be hypocrites....its good to argue but i think there some boudaries we shoudnt cross...am sure all of you deep down know being GAY is wrong
DL-44:- thats a lie..i have never seen a dog stick its dick in another males dog ass..
Lesbians....hmmm..i dont think this wrong..especially if i get to watch...by luck the batteries may run out...and thats where my tool would come in handy
~Sig coming soon~
I'm almost speechless at that crap binary.
I also find it hard to take you seriously Jade. "The AMA is not God" Does your religion encourage you to start debates like this? Is it called witnessing or something like that where a person will pick a subject (like same sex marrige) and quote line verse and chapter, usually from the "Big Black Book" in an attempt to prove their righteousness, or someone elses wrongeousness?
quote:...Last I heard they were a group of doctors who vote on issues from findings and then set standards...it doesn't mean we are compelled to follow them if they go against our principles ... They are just men
It's pretty stupid to follow the principles of a group of men who vote on issues and set standards? Surely, you must be reminded that your own religion was conceived on just that type of exercise? (please note that I said religion not faith - there is a distinction)
Did anyone standup...and if they did then they must have been doing it on there knees coz i didnt spot them.
Agian... if you are doing something wrong you have a tendancy of doing it while you are hiding....right...why? coz ur brain is already hard coded with information but i guess at times we do have glitches and viruses
Jade, you are officially the most oblivious person I have ever made contact with.
Please do us all a favor. Take a flight to a small tropical island with no Internet service. Place your return ticket in an envelope. Slip that envelope inside a box of Fiddle Faddle. Burn the box of Fiddle Faddle.
quote:Jade, you are officially the most oblivious person I have ever made contact with.
Please do us all a favor. Take a flight to a small tropical island with no Internet service. Place your return ticket in an envelope. Slip that envelope inside a box of Fiddle Faddle. Burn the box of Fiddle Faddle
Oh...but Wes there a billions on this planet out there who think like me. More than 1/3 of the planet...So maybe you should run away by sealing yourself in a box and have it mailed to an island where gays are free to marry then you can truly be happy amongst a paradise of married homosexuals. It would be your utopia. Free...fredoom for individual rights at last. End of chapter.
there a billions on this planet out there who think like me.
It's great that you can take credit for being the minority and for the being the majority all in the same conversation
As for your actual claim there:
1) just because people are christian, as you consider yourself to be, does NOT mean they think like you.
2) being backed by the majority has nothing to do with being right.
The Jewish leaders and the romans who were supposed to have crucified your christ were in the majority...does that make their views right?
Now, how about getting back to this -
quote:
Is this not a *direct* contradiction of the gospel accounts of Jesus' teaching?
LOL
All aboard the Love Boat. Keep them thar boxes of gay friendly types locked down till we hit international waters. First stop Lesbos then it's on to Biggayalbos.
Whoa there pilot, keep well away from that 1/3 of the planet, nothing but hell and high waters there me lad.
Heh.
quote:The Jewish leaders and the romans who were supposed to have crucified your christ were in the majority...does that make their views right?
It was not a democracy...jewish elders & the roman procurator were not the majority. They were in charge...
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quote:just because people are christian, as you consider yourself to be, does NOT mean they think like you.
this is right, but many muslims, buddhist, jews, etc think like me...along with the Chritians who think like me that makes many more. More of the worlds population not Christian believes like me...than you.
Voters accross the USof A have voted marrige be recgonized as between male and female.. Have you been out of the country here lately.?
Oh? The leaders did not have popular support? Weren't there supposedly large crowds jeering, taunting, and cheering at Jesus' crucifixion?
Are you suggesting there was only a small group who opposed Jesus, and the majority of people actually supported his cause?
quote:Voters accross the USof A have voted marrige be recgonized as between male and female.. Have you been out of the country here lately.?
For example?
2 examples have been cited here, where a law was not considered by a court to be unconstitutional in a couple of states.
That is far different from the public voting to ban gay mariage.
From: The Land of one Headlight on. Insane since: May 2001
posted 08-10-2006 20:23
And jesus wept.
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The goal in Life's Journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "holy moly what a ride!"
why anyone would refer to others as pigs and to themselves as well deserves a good counseling....and some therapy...
DL ...if you are familiar with scripture, you wold be familar with the paying of funds to persons to cheer by the jewish leaders. And some were threatened. Besides why are your cmpaing this historical jesus with "gay marriges??? silly...silly...comparision.
Those who conspired to catch and crucify Christ were the leaders of the sanedrin and Ciaphas who had much power of the jewish people.
quote:Oh...but Wes there a billions on this planet out there who think like me.
I wasn't speaking to those billions. I was speaking to you. The point is you don't think. You vomit contradictory nonsense. You are a troll. Answer the questions posed to you.
quote:Free...fredoom for individual rights at last.
There were probably thousands, but maybe not many of them the followers of Jesus as they could of been in hinding for fear the same thing could happen to them.. Remember the apostles hid and Peter denied knowing him out of fear. Could be that there were more of Barabas's friends and cohorts who wanted him freed...Remember Barabas was accused of killing a Roman solider and Jesus only crime was inciting a riot among the roman provence. Barabas was of a group of extremeist that wanted to over thow the roman occupation and had many other followers who felt the same way.. Given the climate around that time, its possible they wanted to see him freed as he was the leader of their cause. So that would explain why.. Jesus was not freed.
But that really was no suprise to Jesus as he knew what was about the to happen to him would fulfill all rightousness..and seal a lasting unbreakable covenant with us.
From: Out on the Sea of Madness... Insane since: Dec 2003
posted 08-11-2006 01:33
quote: jade said:
But that really was no suprise to Jesus as he knew what was about the
to happen to him would fulfill all rightousness..and seal a lasting
unbreakable covenant with us.
Ah yes, the concept of predestination and free will. If God knows what is going to happen to you already, do you really have free will?
As you said, Jesus knew what would happen no matter what. The plural He already knows what is going to happen to each person in and after their lives.
You know what? No a damn thing you do will change any of that, Jade. So why don't you stop testifying and being a general troll. Not everyone believes in God, god or gods. Not everyone has been conditioned to think they will go to hell or to some oasis paradise after death.
Sidetrack: Did you know, the concept of hell is based off the founding religions environment? Wanderers (e.g. the early jewish tribes) living in a desert land of heat, little water and hardship tended to think the worst thing that could happen to them would be to suffer more of the same, only worse. Hence, a concept of hell that is heat and flames. On the flip side, in Norse mythology (aka religion), the concept of hell is cold, dark and damp because they lived in a Scandanavia.
Ontrack: Anyways, you keep making all these claims with nothing but your faith to back them up. In fact, the only thing telling you that homosexuality is "wrong" is your faith, because that is the only way you seem to be able to recognize it. You've been taught and conditioned to think this way, and you bought into the ideas lock, stock and barrel. You have no way of knowing if the "billions of people" around the world think as you do, you just want to think that because it makes you feel more smugly superior. No matter how much humility and/or piety you might claim to have, Jade, you come off as a holier than thou crackpot with an axe to grind.
By the way, if I remember my religion classes at all (and I'll admit I might not, it's been far over 25 years now), did Jesus come to bring us new laws to replace those in the Old Testament? Laws of love, laws of compassion? If so, then why is the moral majority so hung up on using the old laws of the OT to "prove" something?
Speaking of the OT and it's laws (which is where the moral majority like to pull their "rules" from), here's some fun facts I found in the Bible, esp. Leviticus, which is where a lot of people like to find the "homes are BAD" stuff.
quote: 1 Timothy 2:11-12 (New International Version) New International Version (NIV)
11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.
12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.
Wives, don't talk back to your husbands, because you aren't allowed. Oh yeah, hope you don't have any female bosses, because you aren't allowed to listen to them.
quote: Judges 19:22-24 (New International Version) New International Version (NIV)
22 While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, "Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him."
23 The owner of the house went outside and said to them, "No, my friends, don't be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don't do this disgraceful thing. 24 Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But to this man, don't do such a disgraceful thing."
Offer up your daughter to be raped in order to protect your (male) guests. Yeah, that whole "women are chattel and property" thing most of the modern world has dispensed with.
quote: Leviticus 11 (New International Version) New International Version (NIV)
1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron,
2 "Say to the Israelites: 'Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat:
3 You may eat any animal that has a split hoof completely divided and that chews the cud.
4 " 'There are some that only chew the cud or only have a split hoof, but you must not eat them. The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you.
5 The coney, [a] though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you.
6 The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you.
7 And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you.
8 You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.
9 " 'Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the streams, you may eat any that have fins and scales.
10 But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales?whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water?you are to detest.
11 And since you are to detest them, you must not eat their meat and you must detest their carcasses.
12 Anything living in the water that does not have fins and scales is to be detestable to you.
Hope you don't like eating pork or rabbit or calimari or shrimp.
quote: Leviticus 12 (New International Version) New International Version (NIV)
1 The LORD said to Moses,
2 "Say to the Israelites: 'A woman who becomes pregnant and gives birth to a son will be ceremonially unclean for seven days, just as she is unclean during her monthly period.
3 On the eighth day the boy is to be circumcised.
4 Then the woman must wait thirty-three days to be purified from her bleeding. She must not touch anything sacred or go to the sanctuary until the days of her purification are over.
5 If she gives birth to a daughter, for two weeks the woman will be unclean, as during her period. Then she must wait sixty-six days to be purified from her bleeding.
Hope you didn't touch your wife (or allow yourself to be touched if female) at all after your kids were born. Because then you would be unclean as well.
quote: Leviticus 15 (New International Version) New International Version (NIV)
16 " 'When a man has an emission of semen, he must bathe his whole body with water, and he will be unclean till evening.
17 Any clothing or leather that has semen on it must be washed with water, and it will be unclean till evening.
18 When a man lies with a woman and there is an emission of semen, both must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.
19 " 'When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening.
20 " 'Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean.
21 Whoever touches her bed must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.
22 Whoever touches anything she sits on must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.
23 Whether it is the bed or anything she was sitting on, when anyone touches it, he will be unclean till evening.
24 " 'If a man lies with her and her monthly flow touches him, he will be unclean for seven days; any bed he lies on will be unclean.
25 " 'When a woman has a discharge of blood for many days at a time other than her monthly period or has a discharge that continues beyond her period, she will be unclean as long as she has the discharge, just as in the days of her period.
26 Any bed she lies on while her discharge continues will be unclean, as is her bed during her monthly period, and anything she sits on will be unclean, as during her period.
27 Whoever touches them will be unclean; he must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.
28 " 'When she is cleansed from her discharge, she must count off seven days, and after that she will be ceremonially clean.
29 On the eighth day she must take two doves or two young pigeons and bring them to the priest at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting.
30 The priest is to sacrifice one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement for her before the LORD for the uncleanness of her discharge.
Wow. And let's not forget all the burnt offerings that need to be made to atone for this uncleanliness.
If you are going to use the Old Testament as basis for something, then you don't get to cherry-pick only those passages which suit you. Christians are those who follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, who gave us His word through the New Testament. If you are going to follow the rulings and teachings of the Old Testament (or only those passages which suit you), then is it correct and proper to call yourself a Christian?
A few other questions as well (not that I think you or binary or anyone else claiming homosexuals are bad will answer) - how does homosexuality hurt you directly? How does the prospect of gay marriage ruin the institution of marriage overall? What does the decline in morals overall have to do with homosexuality becoming more visible?
Leviticus a fun chapter of the Bible to read, because it sets out all the rules for living. I'd fear for the livestock populations of the world if we still had to sacrifice that many animals to atone. I'm sure PETA would have a field day as well.
posted 08-04-2006 08:35
please lets not be hypocrites....its good to argue but i think there some boudaries we shoudnt cross...am sure all of you deep down know being GAY is wrong
Lesbians....hmmm..i dont think this wrong..especially if i get to watch...by luck the batteries may run out...and thats where my tool would come in handy 
If the church don't want it, fine, marry out of church then. Heck, people are marrying dogs... 
Does your religion encourage you to start debates like this? Is it called witnessing or something like that where a person will pick a subject (like same sex marrige) and quote line verse and chapter, usually from the "Big Black Book" in an attempt to prove their righteousness, or someone elses wrongeousness?
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