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Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 01-26-2002 00:18

No

eyezaer
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: the Psychiatric Ward
Insane since: Sep 2000

posted posted 01-26-2002 00:29

ooh! they were disagreeing and they were talking about death and did they both know that he was dying of a heart attack? or did it come on because of the conversation? or what?

Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 01-26-2002 00:34

No, the heart attack was completely unexpected. It was not caused by anything they were discussing.

Key point: Paul(B) turned away from Peter(A) and then Peter(A) suffered the heart attack. Peter(A) dropped to his knees as a result of this heart attack and then shot Paul(B) in the leg. He shot him in the leg on purpose.

Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 01-26-2002 00:37

I think I'm going to need to hire a body guard after this is over.

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 01-26-2002 00:40

Proud to have my 500'th post in this forum and in this thread!

Bugs, by any chance did B say something that startled A which led to A's heart attack?

Did B have a liter or container or surenge of any type holding a deadly disease and he said he was going to unleash it upon the world? I highly doubt it but I just finished watching 12 monkeys for the 50'th time.

edit: you posted the answere to my question 3 minuts before my post while I was still thinking and typing.... so nevermind my 1st "?"...


[This message has been edited by InSiDeR (edited 01-26-2002).]

Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 01-26-2002 00:51

InSiDeR, congrats on 500! And do you know that 12 Monkeys is one of my *all time* favorite movies? I just might have to watch it again tonight!

GRUMBLE
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Omicron Persei 8
Insane since: Oct 2000

posted posted 01-26-2002 01:08

im already so HOT on the solution of this. its making me crazy...

we're they talking about heart-attacks or other kinds of heart-diseases/illness/infarcts ?
(although Peters heart-attack came unexpected)

hmmm. no. probably not.
another idea:
Paul must have said some so shocking to Peter that he got that heart-attack, right?

Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 01-26-2002 02:12

No, Paul(B) did or said *nothing* to bring on the heart attack, it was a completely independent and unexpected occurrence.

Slime
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Massachusetts, USA
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 01-26-2002 02:27

Were they maybe discussing suicide or assisted suicide?
Is C (the wife) healthy?
Did B plan on harming C?
If so, was A aware of this?

Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 01-26-2002 02:47

"discussing suicide or assisted suicide?" No
"Is C (the wife) healthy?" Perfectly healthy
"Did B plan on harming C?" Hint: Not exactly.
"If so, was A aware of this?" Hint: A and B were both aware of what was *supposed* to happen.

eyezaer
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: the Psychiatric Ward
Insane since: Sep 2000

posted posted 01-26-2002 03:10

were they arguing about the death of C? direct from them or indirect>?

Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 01-26-2002 03:18

That's very close. You absolutely need to know what they were disagreeing about to know why I can't "yes" 100% to that.

Remember they were psychiatrists and they were having a disagreement about something related to their field of expertise. You are getting very warm!

Slime
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Massachusetts, USA
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 01-26-2002 08:05

Had A not had a heart attack, would he still have shot B? In other words, was it his heart attack that made him want to shoot B?
Did he intend to kill B or just wound him?

Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 01-26-2002 08:12

"was it his heart attack that made him want to shoot B?" Yes
"Did he intend to kill B or just wound him?" Just wound him

Morph
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: The Soft Cell
Insane since: Nov 2001

posted posted 01-27-2002 00:09

were they discussing the after life?

~We're not here for long, we're here for fun~

Raptor
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: AČ, MI, USA
Insane since: Nov 2001

posted posted 01-27-2002 01:06

Did A shoot B to bring the fact that A was having a heart attack to B's attention? *g*

[This message has been edited by Raptor (edited 01-27-2002).]

GRUMBLE
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Omicron Persei 8
Insane since: Oct 2000

posted posted 01-27-2002 01:12

LOL, raptor. do you really think shooting him was the only way to get attention?
i mean, if he could shoot he should at least be able to yell.

mahjqa
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: The Demented Side of the Fence
Insane since: Aug 2000

posted posted 01-27-2002 01:54

I like Raptor's idea, though.

Slime
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Massachusetts, USA
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 01-27-2002 02:36

Is this correct at all?

B intended to tell C something, at the request of A. However, once A had his heart attack, the thing B was going to tell C became false, as a result of the heart attack. So A shot B to keep him from telling C.

Raptor
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: AČ, MI, USA
Insane since: Nov 2001

posted posted 01-27-2002 02:44

of course grumble! the best way to get somebody's 100% attention is to shoot them in the leg

"Remember they were psychiatrists and they were having a disagreement about something related to their field of expertise."

Were they arguing about the mental state of C in any way, be it schizophrenia, bipolar, sexual deviant, or otherwise?

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eyezaer
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: the Psychiatric Ward
Insane since: Sep 2000

posted posted 01-27-2002 03:57

welll... herez for 180 posts.... lets get the answer b4 200 please!

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 01-27-2002 04:15

Well bugs it looks like you are almost at 2000! And 12 monkeys was a great, mind throbbing, movie. Another I like is Blade Runner, futuristic or apocalyptic movies always grab my attention and some good drama's or murder mysteries too!

But anyway....

quote:
"Did B plan on harming C?" Not exactly



So they must have planned to do something to C. But B wasn't sure about how he was going to approach C.

Tell me did B end up killing C? Or does that not matter?

I just now realized bugs that you need to meet my dad, he is an entomologist and knows all kinds of things about bugs and how they are bugs themselves



[This message has been edited by InSiDeR (edited 01-27-2002).]

blu
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From: San Antonio, TX, USA
Insane since: Jan 2002

posted posted 01-27-2002 05:11

i just got done reading this ENTIRE thing and - good lord - someone PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTION!!! i am so confused I HAVE TO KNOW THE ANSWER PLEASE!!!! for everyone's sake JUST TELL US! =)

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eyezaer
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: the Psychiatric Ward
Insane since: Sep 2000

posted posted 01-27-2002 05:23

nono... we are getting very close!!! i can feel it... just waitig for buggs to answer the above questions...

Arthemis
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Milky Way
Insane since: Nov 2001

posted posted 01-28-2002 11:27

b and c are the same person before and after an operation?

Morph
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: The Soft Cell
Insane since: Nov 2001

posted posted 01-28-2002 13:25

Where's he hiding? Bugs! get here and sort this out, were're waiting on ya man

~runs round looking under rocks~

~We're not here for long, we're here for fun~

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 01-28-2002 20:48

Im gonna squish you if you don't come out of where ever you are!

Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 01-29-2002 03:49

I'm here and I would love to see 200 so I'll continue here Thanks for opening it back up!

I know I shouldn't have gone out of town for a relaxing trip up the coast when we had such a great thread going. But for some strange reason, Wella gave me a funny look when I suggested we not go so I could continue with this thread. LOL!!!

I was hoping you would all solve this before I left. But I'm back and I see we're still going strong.

"discussing the afterlife?" No

"B intended to tell C something... ...So A shot B to keep him from telling C." No

"Were they arguing about the mental state of C in any way, be it schizophrenia, bipolar, sexual deviant, or otherwise?" They were not arguing about C's mental state.

"Tell me did B end up killing C?" C lived because A shot B in the leg.

"b and c are the same person before and after an operation?" No

Hint: They were arguing about what would happen in a hypothetical situation.

bunchapixels
Neurotic (0) Inmate
Newly admitted
posted posted 01-29-2002 04:01

was the hypothetical concerning C?
did the bullet shot actually physically stop B from harming C?
did B end up reaching C?
was B's intent malicious?

___________________
b u n c h a p i x e l s

eyezaer
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: the Psychiatric Ward
Insane since: Sep 2000

posted posted 01-29-2002 04:18

did B decide to act out the hypothetical idea and the other dude didnt want him to so he shot em?

Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 01-29-2002 04:44

"was the hypothetical concerning C?" Only in that B was on his way to attack her.
"did the bullet shot actually physically stop B from harming C?" Absolutely. And A intentionally aimed for the leg.
"did B end up reaching C?" No, thanks to A.
"was B's intent malicious?" Oh that's a tough one to answer. I can only say he was on his way to attack C.

"did B decide to act out the hypothetical idea..." Only partly.
"...and the other dude didnt want him to..." No. edit/hint/clarification: A and B were in agreement about what was supposed to happen.



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bunchapixels
Neurotic (0) Inmate
Newly admitted
posted posted 01-29-2002 05:33

is there anything unusual about C, or her situation; or is the 'riddle bit' primarily concerning A and B, with C as the innocent bystander?

if A had not had a heart attack, would he have followed C?
would the entire even have been fairly trivial in this case?

___________________
b u n c h a p i x e l s

Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 01-29-2002 07:04

"is there anything unusual about C, or her situation; or is the 'riddle bit' primarily concerning A and B, with C as the innocent bystander?" YES, that is right on.

"if A had not had a heart attack, would he have followed C?" I'll assume you mean follow B and YES, he would have followed B very closely.

"would the entire even have been fairly trivial in this case?" YES, everything would have been much less dramatic had the heart attack not occurred.

I am smelling a solution getting very close now.


Morph
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: The Soft Cell
Insane since: Nov 2001

posted posted 01-29-2002 09:25

Is C pregnant, or in a coma or some other state of limbo and B was on his way to switch off her life support to prove she would/would not live?

~We're not here for long, we're here for fun~

Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 01-29-2002 16:07

No, C was perfectly normal and healthy.

St. Seneca
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: 3rd shelf, behind the cereal
Insane since: Dec 2000

posted posted 01-29-2002 19:28

B was on his way to attack C, but was it the vicious form of "attack"? Perhaps he was merely going to grab her up in his arms and kiss her which would also be considered "attacking".

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 01-29-2002 23:45

We are closing in on the answere

bunchapixels
Neurotic (0) Inmate
Newly admitted
posted posted 01-30-2002 00:09

um, bugs, was i 'right on' with the first half of the question (something unusual about C), or the second (innocent bystander)?
would the action that B was going to perform physically exertive (like kicking someone to death), or less strenuous (like depressing a foot pedal)?

___________________
b u n c h a p i x e l s

Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 01-30-2002 06:12

"was it the vicious form of "attack"?" Let's just say that if A had not shot B in the leg, B would have murdered C.

buncha, sorry I answered you very unclearly. I meant that you were right on the money that C was an innocent bystander. There was nothing special or unusual about C.

GRUMBLE
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Omicron Persei 8
Insane since: Oct 2000

posted posted 01-30-2002 10:56

b would have shot her?
now that clears things up a bit...
and money was involved right?

ok a n b were planning to get rid of c to get all her decoration, jewels and so on.
but since a was going to die he saw that this is unfair and the least he could do is to prevent c from killing his wife.
game over.

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